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Giggs
Jan 15, 2018 13:24:36 GMT
Post by saints19 on Jan 15, 2018 13:24:36 GMT
All the Giggs fanboys seemingly are now trying to shut down criticism on here of the way the process was conducted. I'd be delighted to be proven wrong about Giggs, but even looking at Speed and Coleman's reigns (which ultimately turned out OK!) their first year at least in the job (in Coleman's case a two-year campaign) were poor. There's no denying that. Potentially that spells doom for our Euro hopes. I don't think it augurs well and I'm sorry, fans are entitled to criticise (and continue to criticise) the process and the decision. Also, don't agree that Pulis was unaffordable. If Giggs is on £500k, then I'm not sure that plus healthy qualifying bonus would have been insufficient to attract Pulis. If he'd been uninterested he would have ruled himself out immediately like Sparky. I don't accept that. Even then, I think Roberts would have been a much better appointment and there were non-Welsh managers who would have been more qualified than Giggs. Pulis was on £2m supposedly at West Brom. Do you really think he'd take that big of a pay cut for a job that probably wouldn't suit him? Going for a non-Welsh manager when the players and majority of fans don't want a non-Welsh manager is madness in my eyes. Especially when one of the main tasks Giggs now has is to keep Ampadu and Brooks on board until the next lot of competitive fixtures. Osian was a better choice in my eyes but also a risk, given his lack of experience as a number 1 at a reasonable level of the game. Why didn't Pulis rule himself out immediately like Hughes? He was bookies' favourite and said nothing. I think he was interested even if it meant taking a pay cut, of course we would still probably need to have offered more than we did to Giggs but rightly so for a manager of proven ability. Saying bland generalities like "the majority of fans don't want a non-Welsh manager" is silly in my opinion. We know the majority of fans didn't want Giggs, this is backed up by multiple sources on the internet, but I see no clear "anti-foreign" agenda. Agree Osian would have been a risk, but a smaller one than Giggs, that's for sure. And we didn't need a permanent appointment. We could have evaluated his ability and aptitude in the China Cup, and if he was happy continued afterwards.
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Giggs
Jan 15, 2018 13:30:21 GMT
Post by erasedcitizen on Jan 15, 2018 13:30:21 GMT
Pulis was on £2m supposedly at West Brom. Do you really think he'd take that big of a pay cut for a job that probably wouldn't suit him? Going for a non-Welsh manager when the players and majority of fans don't want a non-Welsh manager is madness in my eyes. Especially when one of the main tasks Giggs now has is to keep Ampadu and Brooks on board until the next lot of competitive fixtures. Osian was a better choice in my eyes but also a risk, given his lack of experience as a number 1 at a reasonable level of the game. Why didn't Pulis rule himself out immediately like Hughes? He was bookies' favourite and said nothing. I think he was interested even if it meant taking a pay cut, of course we would still probably need to have offered more than we did to Giggs but rightly so for a manager of proven ability. Saying bland generalities like "the majority of fans don't want a non-Welsh manager" is silly in my opinion. We know the majority of fans didn't want Giggs, this is backed up by multiple sources on the internet, but I see no clear "anti-foreign" agenda. Agree Osian would have been a risk, but a smaller one than Giggs, that's for sure. And we didn't need a permanent appointment. We could have evaluated his ability and aptitude in the China Cup, and if he was happy continued afterwards. Perhaps he didn't rule himself out because he wanted the role, but the FAW weren't willing to meet his demands? By the time this had blown over he was managing Middlesborough who would've paid him what he wanted. There's no anti-foreign agenda because the FAW and Coleman said the next manager must be a Welshman as soon as the process of finding a new manager began. Did you miss this? Had we signed an English or foreign championship level manager or has been, there would no doubt have been a huge backlash as well. We just aren't seeing it at the moment because it isn't relevant, you seem intelligent enough to understand that. I do agree that the latter would have been a better course of action but what's done is done. We can talk all day about the what ifs but they're hardly relevant now. You're better off discussing ways forward and what we can do as fans to ensure Giggs is a success.
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Giggs
Jan 15, 2018 13:32:07 GMT
Post by richierich333 on Jan 15, 2018 13:32:07 GMT
All the Giggs fanboys seemingly are now trying to shut down criticism on here of the way the process was conducted. I'd be delighted to be proven wrong about Giggs, but even looking at Speed and Coleman's reigns (which ultimately turned out OK!) their first year at least in the job (in Coleman's case a two-year campaign) were poor. There's no denying that. Potentially that spells doom for our Euro hopes. I don't think it augurs well and I'm sorry, fans are entitled to criticise (and continue to criticise) the process and the decision. Also, don't agree that Pulis was unaffordable. If Giggs is on £500k, then I'm not sure that plus healthy qualifying bonus would have been insufficient to attract Pulis. If he'd been uninterested he would have ruled himself out immediately like Sparky. I don't accept that. Even then, I think Roberts would have been a much better appointment and there were non-Welsh managers who would have been more qualified than Giggs. As it is a done deal I think we all need to look forward now and get behind Giggs and the team. Talking about the processes about how we got here seems a bit pointless now. I don't know who these Giggs fanboys are but I didn't see too many on here asking for him to be appointed BUT he has been and I will personally get behind him.
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Giggs
Jan 15, 2018 13:33:16 GMT
Post by saints19 on Jan 15, 2018 13:33:16 GMT
All the Giggs fanboys seemingly are now trying to shut down criticism on here of the way the process was conducted. I'd be delighted to be proven wrong about Giggs, but even looking at Speed and Coleman's reigns (which ultimately turned out OK!) their first year at least in the job (in Coleman's case a two-year campaign) were poor. There's no denying that. Potentially that spells doom for our Euro hopes. I don't think it augurs well and I'm sorry, fans are entitled to criticise (and continue to criticise) the process and the decision. Also, don't agree that Pulis was unaffordable. If Giggs is on £500k, then I'm not sure that plus healthy qualifying bonus would have been insufficient to attract Pulis. If he'd been uninterested he would have ruled himself out immediately like Sparky. I don't accept that. Even then, I think Roberts would have been a much better appointment and there were non-Welsh managers who would have been more qualified than Giggs. Don't think there's any Giggs fanboys here tbh. If I recall almost everyone would have preferred another candidate. He's nobody's first choice who has an idea about Welsh football but there's no point being divisive about it now, all that will prove to do is hinder our opportunities going forward. Fair enough, you've got an axe to grind with Giggs but I'm not going to write him off before he's even managed a game. I have no axe to grind with Giggs, I just think it's a bad appointment, but nothing necessarily against him personally. Giggs's critics aren't blinded by individual hatred.
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Giggs
Jan 15, 2018 13:40:58 GMT
Post by saints19 on Jan 15, 2018 13:40:58 GMT
Why didn't Pulis rule himself out immediately like Hughes? He was bookies' favourite and said nothing. I think he was interested even if it meant taking a pay cut, of course we would still probably need to have offered more than we did to Giggs but rightly so for a manager of proven ability. Saying bland generalities like "the majority of fans don't want a non-Welsh manager" is silly in my opinion. We know the majority of fans didn't want Giggs, this is backed up by multiple sources on the internet, but I see no clear "anti-foreign" agenda. Agree Osian would have been a risk, but a smaller one than Giggs, that's for sure. And we didn't need a permanent appointment. We could have evaluated his ability and aptitude in the China Cup, and if he was happy continued afterwards. Perhaps he didn't rule himself out because he wanted the role, but the FAW weren't willing to meet his demands? By the time this had blown over he was managing Middlesborough who would've paid him what he wanted. There's no anti-foreign agenda because the FAW and Coleman said the next manager must be a Welshman as soon as the process of finding a new manager began. Did you miss this? Had we signed an English or foreign championship level manager or has been, there would no doubt have been a huge backlash as well. We just aren't seeing it at the moment because it isn't relevant, you seem intelligent enough to understand that. I do agree that the latter would have been a better course of action but what's done is done. We can talk all day about the what ifs but they're hardly relevant now. You're better off discussing ways forward and what we can do as fans to ensure Giggs is a success. How much can Boro be paying him? I guess there would be a big bonus for promotion, but....if he was on £2m at a PL club, can't imagine the wages at a Championship club would be as big,or much bigger than what we might offer....although obviously we simply don't know the figures involved. But Pulis has always said he wanted the Wales manager's job at some point in his career. Ford said to be precise "Welsh probably, foreign possibly, English, definitely not." Ignoring the fact that ruling out huge numbers of potentially interested managers on the basis they're English is dumb, it was NOT stated that the new manager must be Welsh.
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Giggs
Jan 15, 2018 13:47:28 GMT
Post by erasedcitizen on Jan 15, 2018 13:47:28 GMT
Perhaps he didn't rule himself out because he wanted the role, but the FAW weren't willing to meet his demands? By the time this had blown over he was managing Middlesborough who would've paid him what he wanted. There's no anti-foreign agenda because the FAW and Coleman said the next manager must be a Welshman as soon as the process of finding a new manager began. Did you miss this? Had we signed an English or foreign championship level manager or has been, there would no doubt have been a huge backlash as well. We just aren't seeing it at the moment because it isn't relevant, you seem intelligent enough to understand that. I do agree that the latter would have been a better course of action but what's done is done. We can talk all day about the what ifs but they're hardly relevant now. You're better off discussing ways forward and what we can do as fans to ensure Giggs is a success. How much can Boro be paying him? I guess there would be a big bonus for promotion, but....if he was on £2m at a PL club, can't imagine the wages at a Championship club would be as big,or much bigger than what we might offer....although obviously we simply don't know the figures involved. But Pulis has always said he wanted the Wales manager's job at some point in his career. Ford said to be precise "Welsh probably, foreign possibly, English, definitely not." Ignoring the fact that ruling out huge numbers of potentially interested managers on the basis they're English is dumb, it was NOT stated that the new manager must be Welsh. Boro could most certainly pay Pulis £2m a year if they wanted to. We couldn't compete with what Sunderland were offering Coleman and I can tell you with a fair amount of certainty that Middlesborough have a bigger budget than Sunderland do. Okay, so it was just Coleman who said it. I think the attitude from the FAW was fairly conclusive in that only Welsh candidates were interviewed however. Many bought into the new manager being a Welshman and very few talked about the possibility of a non-Welsh candidate. Had we appointed a non-Welsh candidate we would have seen a huge backlash, just as we're seeing now. Thinking otherwise is just plain stupid. The new manager wouldn't even have the backing of Coleman.
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Giggs
Jan 15, 2018 13:52:36 GMT
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Post by holmesdaleultra on Jan 15, 2018 13:52:36 GMT
Anyone know what time the press conference starts? I suppose it will be live on BBC football site? 2pm i believe, probably be on FAW FB & Twitter feeds It's also on BBC football site .
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Giggs
Jan 15, 2018 13:56:46 GMT
Post by CrackityJones on Jan 15, 2018 13:56:46 GMT
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Post by iantov on Jan 15, 2018 13:56:55 GMT
Copying my post from another thread; Let's get behind him, and not just for a couple of friendlies either, long term. To turn against the Manager is to turn against the team in some ways so we ALL need to stick together in order to endeavour to continue to improve and build on the last few years. I was one of Coleman's biggest critics initially and even wrote to the FAW to express my dissatisfaction with the appointment and of his initial performances (I did subsequently write to them again to admit that I was wrong (before the Euros qualification may I add!)). I will have learned to be a little more patient on this occasion for sure and will give him my full, unreserved support. Giggs will change some things, some will work, some won't so I just hope that we, the supporters, don't become those types of fickle, jump on / off the bandwagon fans that some clubs / teams have and get on his case before he's had an opportunity to try to achieve qualification for a major tournament. Hopefully, his fantastic, legendary history as a player will be a contributory factor in persuading most if not all of the talented youngsters who can still qualify across the bridge, to stick to the shirt and also re-invigorate and re-motivate the experienced players. He needs to get in amongst them all sharpish and sell his vision and he needs to get his backroom staff appointments right also. The disappointment of the World Cup qualification and Coleman's resignation has dissipated now and, although he was not my first choice as the next manager, I find myself becoming somewhat excited about our future with Giggs at the helm. To the tune of John Lennon - 'All I am saying is give Giggs a chance'!!
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Post by joio on Jan 15, 2018 14:09:20 GMT
Fully agree. Not my first choice but we now have to support him and if Wales qualify people will soon forget about the issues in the past. This is his big break and he'll want to succeed and if we get to another tournament as a result then I don't care (within reason!) who's managing us.
Anyway, I had a quick look on google and there's a lot of praise for Giggs' coaching abilities from players like Mata etc. But here's one that stands out.
Anders Lindegaard:
"It might sound pretty rash and naive, but, in my opinion, we are dealing with a new Guardiola," he told BBC Sport.
"What we have seen in the first week has been more than convincing.
"The similarities with Sir Alex Ferguson are striking and it is evident that Ryan Giggs has learnt from one of history's most respected football managers."
He added: "Some would question whether you can go from being a team-mate one day to a manager the next. Normally I would have reservations as well, but, in the case of Giggs, it is different.
"His latest speech, before the team went onto the pitch for the Norwich game, made my hairs stand on end in a way that I have only ever experienced from Sir Alex Ferguson: Do not disappoint the fans!"
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Giggs
Jan 15, 2018 14:20:38 GMT
Post by welshiron on Jan 15, 2018 14:20:38 GMT
"PROBABLY MY PROUDEST MOMENT"
He doesn't help himself does he
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Giggs
Jan 15, 2018 14:22:04 GMT
Post by welshiron on Jan 15, 2018 14:22:04 GMT
If Phil Neville comes in as a coach I think thast might be it for me.
I could probably cope with Scholes or Gary Neville but not steptoe Phil
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Giggs
Jan 15, 2018 14:22:38 GMT
Post by alarch on Jan 15, 2018 14:22:38 GMT
The fact that Giggs has struggled to gain employment as a manager should at the very least shake any complacency out of him. No doubt he does aspire to manage United one day. That's no big deal - especially when you consider Hughes left Wales for Blackburn and Coleman left for Sunderland. But if he's to make anything of his managerial career Giggs will be under no illusions that he will have to succeed as Wales manager.
Anyone else notice the slip of the tongue in the press conference - where he talked about the next "two to four years", which he subsequently covered up by talking about taking Wales to a World Cup finals. But to be honest, if he gets us to the Euros finals before moving on that's no big deal as far as I'm concerned - as long as he doesn't leave us mid-campaign.
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Post by alf on Jan 15, 2018 14:26:11 GMT
Agree with all who have posted before. From a personal point of view not the choice I hoped for however he is now manager of the national team and will receive my full support. Good luck RG.
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Giggs
Jan 15, 2018 14:33:36 GMT
Post by joio on Jan 15, 2018 14:33:36 GMT
If Phil Neville comes in as a coach I think thast might be it for me. I could probably cope with Scholes or Gary Neville but not steptoe Phil I thought that and Giggs has talked very positively about working with Phil Neville as coach in the past. However, according to numerous articles, Neville is about to be named manager of the England women's team.
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Giggs
Jan 15, 2018 14:52:47 GMT
Post by bringbackelmo on Jan 15, 2018 14:52:47 GMT
Anyone else notice the slip of the tongue in the press conference - where he talked about the next "two to four years", which he subsequently covered up by talking about taking Wales to a World Cup finals. But to be honest, if he gets us to the Euros finals before moving on that's no big deal as far as I'm concerned - as long as he doesn't leave us mid-campaign. My other big fear, aside from his lack of experience, is that he'll take a Premier League job as soon as he is offered one. It might not happen for 12 months now he has taken this job, but I'll be very surprised if he is with us for longer than two years.
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Post by georgetm1 on Jan 15, 2018 14:55:14 GMT
Why didn't Pulis rule himself out immediately like Hughes? He was bookies' favourite and said nothing. I think he was interested even if it meant taking a pay cut, of course we would still probably need to have offered more than we did to Giggs but rightly so for a manager of proven ability. Saying bland generalities like "the majority of fans don't want a non-Welsh manager" is silly in my opinion. We know the majority of fans didn't want Giggs, this is backed up by multiple sources on the internet, but I see no clear "anti-foreign" agenda. Agree Osian would have been a risk, but a smaller one than Giggs, that's for sure. And we didn't need a permanent appointment. We could have evaluated his ability and aptitude in the China Cup, and if he was happy continued afterwards. Perhaps he didn't rule himself out because he wanted the role, but the FAW weren't willing to meet his demands? By the time this had blown over he was managing Middlesborough who would've paid him what he wanted. There's no anti-foreign agenda because the FAW and Coleman said the next manager must be a Welshman as soon as the process of finding a new manager began. Did you miss this? Had we signed an English or foreign championship level manager or has been, there would no doubt have been a huge backlash as well. We just aren't seeing it at the moment because it isn't relevant, you seem intelligent enough to understand that. I do agree that the latter would have been a better course of action but what's done is done. We can talk all day about the what ifs but they're hardly relevant now. You're better off discussing ways forward and what we can do as fans to ensure Giggs is a success. The problem is with his lack of experience while being given the job when we actually have a very good national team. Speed and Hughes were given the job on the back of two terrible periods in Welsh football and this is totally not the time to continue with that policy.
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Post by leggybach on Jan 15, 2018 15:04:35 GMT
11. Learn the words to ALL the Barry Horns tunes! 😀 Might be best to try the anthem first..
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Post by CrackityJones on Jan 15, 2018 15:12:14 GMT
Yeah that's the main reason I wont be 100% behind him yet, he needs to prove his commitment first.
One way of doing that will be to get out and meet the Welsh public, grass roots football, LoW, all levels of the men and women's game and look like he actually wants to be there. Coleman was excellent at this, time will tell if Giggs has the heart for it.
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Giggs
Jan 15, 2018 15:14:41 GMT
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Post by marsvolta on Jan 15, 2018 15:14:41 GMT
Anyone else notice the slip of the tongue in the press conference - where he talked about the next "two to four years", which he subsequently covered up by talking about taking Wales to a World Cup finals. But to be honest, if he gets us to the Euros finals before moving on that's no big deal as far as I'm concerned - as long as he doesn't leave us mid-campaign. My other big fear, aside from his lack of experience, is that he'll take a Premier League job as soon as he is offered one. It might not happen for 12 months now he has taken this job, but I'll be very surprised if he is with us for longer than two years. If Giggs leaves the Wales role because a premier league club comes calling then it means he has been a success
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Post by conwy10 on Jan 15, 2018 15:22:19 GMT
In my opinion there's no coaching experience there to disregard. What he classes as experience others regard as part time coaching. I'll give him credit for his work at Man United as assistant but I feel showing up now and again to coach at the club you part own isn't a serious position. If people think differently fair enough. Fair enough answer mate. Apologies. Don't worry, I apologise myself. It was obviously going to be a divisive appointment with us either side of the fence. Still it's done now so it has to be accepted.
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Post by fiveattheback on Jan 15, 2018 15:31:49 GMT
He wasn't my first choice, but all we can do now is get behind the guy and hope he does well
And as an added bonus his name fits perfectly into the Barmy Army style chats! He's showing his worth already!
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Giggs
Jan 15, 2018 16:03:16 GMT
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Post by cymroircarn on Jan 15, 2018 16:03:16 GMT
I thought his press conference was the most passionate I’ve ever seen him.
The only nagging doubts I continue to have is his commitment (“this is a great opportunity for me” could have been “this is an honour for me”) also the continuatuon of Osian. The fact that Giggs states Osh would be staying on as Technical Director is Management speak for me he will no longer be assistant. Hopefully I’m proved wrong.
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Giggs
Jan 15, 2018 16:38:39 GMT
Post by 1gwaunview on Jan 15, 2018 16:38:39 GMT
Reserving judgement. He's a lot do to win me over.
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Giggs
Jan 15, 2018 16:51:55 GMT
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Post by Griff105 on Jan 15, 2018 16:51:55 GMT
Just need to win our first few games and he'll be whoring himself out to England or premier league teams.
Win win
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Giggs
Jan 15, 2018 16:58:49 GMT
Post by phillywelsh83 on Jan 15, 2018 16:58:49 GMT
It isn't just the friendlies he missed. How about the 3 qualifiers in a row he missed and then proceeded to play for Man Utd a few days later on each occasion? Apart from the missing games is anyone telling me that we are so far in the shit like we were on previous occasions that we need to take chances on unproven coaches with piss all experience? We have been arguing and fighting with the FAW and Welsh press over appointing Giggs for the past decade and now they finally got what they wanted. A manager the fans don't want who is a massive gamble when we need an experienced head taking over. I hope I am wrong but I can see this all going tits up. All fair points, however, the majority of those arguing against Giggs have been in support of Osian Roberts, Craig Bellamy and even Thierry Henry taking over, all with similar or less experience. Having a chip on your shoulder because he missed some friendlies, ok if that upsets you, fine. I cant remember him missing 3 qualifiers in a row, but will take your word for it, that is something that you can fairly batter him with. I wanted Carl Robinson in, even would have been happy seeing Mark Hughes returning. But out of the options available, Giggs is as qualified as any, the players will respect him, he will try and play the right way, and will be more than happy for young players to come in to the side.
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Giggs
Jan 15, 2018 17:15:29 GMT
Post by yanto on Jan 15, 2018 17:15:29 GMT
I thought his press conference was the most passionate I’ve ever seen him. The only nagging doubts I continue to have is his commitment (“this is a great opportunity for me” could have been “this is an honour for me”) also the continuatuon of Osian. The fact that Giggs states Osh would be staying on as Technical Director is Management speak for me he will no longer be assistant. Hopefully I’m proved wrong. Tbf i don't think he could say much about Osian as he said it had happened very quickly and the chance to speak to anyone was difficult.
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Jan 15, 2018 17:49:46 GMT
Post by erasedcitizen on Jan 15, 2018 17:49:46 GMT
I thought his press conference was the most passionate I’ve ever seen him. The only nagging doubts I continue to have is his commitment (“this is a great opportunity for me” could have been “this is an honour for me”) also the continuatuon of Osian. The fact that Giggs states Osh would be staying on as Technical Director is Management speak for me he will no longer be assistant. Hopefully I’m proved wrong. I thought his comment about the Basque game was brilliant. He'll have a decent publicist though.
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Jan 15, 2018 17:52:48 GMT
Post by erasedcitizen on Jan 15, 2018 17:52:48 GMT
My other big fear, aside from his lack of experience, is that he'll take a Premier League job as soon as he is offered one. It might not happen for 12 months now he has taken this job, but I'll be very surprised if he is with us for longer than two years. If Giggs leaves the Wales role because a premier league club comes calling then it means he has been a success Indeed, he's far from a Premier League side taking a punt on him. The only way he can turn heads from the top level is by being a success here. This is something I don't have an issue with, so long as he doesn't ditch us mid way through a campaign.
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Jan 15, 2018 18:27:41 GMT
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Post by cantonwelsh79 on Jan 15, 2018 18:27:41 GMT
Call Rob special on the subject on Radio Wales now.
Comedy gold fairplay.
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