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Giggs
Jan 15, 2018 22:31:48 GMT
Post by manulike on Jan 15, 2018 22:31:48 GMT
#CroesoGiggsy
If he manages to get Bale, Rambo, Huws and Lawrence to somehow extend their careers into their mid-30s, as well as spend less time injured - that, already, is a job well done.
Onwards and upwards
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Jan 15, 2018 22:33:36 GMT
Post by rushlegend on Jan 15, 2018 22:33:36 GMT
Like i said in a previous post - the only crumb of comfort of not qualifying for the World Cup is not having to see the "gloryhunting" fans who never watched Wales when they were crap being in Russia!! "Hurrah"!!!!
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Giggs
Jan 15, 2018 23:08:48 GMT
Post by manulike on Jan 15, 2018 23:08:48 GMT
Shall we ask Ryan to write a Travel Survival guide for Vietnam for us ;-)
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Jan 15, 2018 23:25:05 GMT
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Post by quetzal on Jan 15, 2018 23:25:05 GMT
I was disappointed it was not Thierry Henry and Giggs feels like a let down but I will give it my full support. I’m 41 so I tried to remember days of hope like when Giggs came on in Nuremberg has a kid and the USA 94 qualifying with the golf swing celebrations. We loved him at the start.
I’ve been through marriage hell and let myself down a few times. Cookie was a cheat. That stuff has nothing to do with football. C’mon Giggsy!!!
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Giggs
Jan 15, 2018 23:46:23 GMT
Post by njdragon on Jan 15, 2018 23:46:23 GMT
is anyone else sick of the giggs never turned up for friendlies saga we've had today?!
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Post by quetzal on Jan 15, 2018 23:49:52 GMT
is anyone else sick of the giggs never turned up for friendlies saga we've had today?! The question got asked and Giggs said if he gets the results people will forget. He’s 100% correct
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Post by marsvolta on Jan 15, 2018 23:50:50 GMT
Everyone on social media alongide people like Shearer, Richard Keys and Lineker are having a pop and it seems like half of England are mocking us for appointing Giggs. If you look at the Daily Mail comments page (I know,I know) it is literlly 90% England fans taking the piss out of us for appointing him and that's before you start on Twitter.
Somehow I've ended up defending him and praying that he'll prove them all wrong.
It feels like the kid who's always fighting with his brother but when the brother is in trouble with someone from outside the family,he's got his back.
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Giggs
Jan 16, 2018 8:26:05 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2018 8:26:05 GMT
If they can’t support everyone representing Wales throughout the match then they need to keep away. We’re a small nation and 100% togetherness is imperative for success. Analysis on what happens on the pitch can take place afterwards. However, if they’ve made up their minds already then I doubt it’ll be fair and balanced... You better be telling them Manic Street Preachers that. If it wasn't a concerted effort by the supporters, Bobby Gould would have hung on to the bitter end of his contract and dragged Welsh football even further into the mire. Had any matches been played under Gould before the realisation that it wasn’t working? Your sentence suggests otherwise. Mark Hughes is the first Welsh manager I knew so it was before my time. Giggs was appointed yesterday. No backroom staff are in place and no squad has been picked. Banners and protests seem somewhat premature.
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Jan 16, 2018 8:44:22 GMT
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Post by conwy10 on Jan 16, 2018 8:44:22 GMT
You better be telling them Manic Street Preachers that. If it wasn't a concerted effort by the supporters, Bobby Gould would have hung on to the bitter end of his contract and dragged Welsh football even further into the mire. Had any matches been played under Gould before the realisation that it wasn’t working? Your sentence suggests otherwise. Mark Hughes is the first Welsh manager I knew so it was before my time. Giggs was appointed yesterday. No backroom staff are in place and no squad has been picked. Banners and protests seem somewhat premature. I'll give him a chance but what I'm starting to hear is very concerning, Osian not guaranteed to stay on, if he gets rid of Osian I'm done, not sure what I'll do but I'll be done. You don't buy a mansion and then start knocking down the walls, I fear it will be Osian out and a class of 92 in to replace him. They should have made it clear the backroom staff stay on and won't be undermined. It's time the FAW start to practice what they preach and remain Together to be Stronger.
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Jan 16, 2018 8:51:15 GMT
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Post by cymroircarn on Jan 16, 2018 8:51:15 GMT
If they can’t support everyone representing Wales throughout the match then they need to keep away. We’re a small nation and 100% togetherness is imperative for success. Analysis on what happens on the pitch can take place afterwards. However, if they’ve made up their minds already then I doubt it’ll be fair and balanced... You better be telling them Manic Street Preachers that. If it wasn't a concerted effort by the supporters, Bobby Gould would have hung on to the bitter end of his contract and dragged Welsh football even further into the mire. Gould was appointed in 1995. The manics changed their song in 1998. He left in 1999. That was 4 years, so doubt there was much more time left on his contract. Not sure what point you are trying to make? Whilst Giggs was not my preferred choice the witch hunt by some fans on social media is ridiculous. When Gould was appointed he did not receive some of the abuse Giggs is now receiving
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Jan 16, 2018 8:57:01 GMT
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Post by cymroircarn on Jan 16, 2018 8:57:01 GMT
Everyone on social media alongide people like Shearer, Richard Keys and Lineker are having a pop and it seems like half of England are mocking us for appointing Giggs. If you look at the Daily Mail comments page (I know,I know) it is literlly 90% England fans taking the piss out of us for appointing him and that's before you start on Twitter. Somehow I've ended up defending him and praying that he'll prove them all wrong. It feels like the kid who's always fighting with his brother but when the brother is in trouble with someone from outside the family,he's got his back. England still have not forgotten the Iceland video. That is what this is about. After all they have Southgate as Manager.... you could say the same who is going to take the penalty shoot out training?
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Jan 16, 2018 8:58:56 GMT
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Post by cymroircarn on Jan 16, 2018 8:58:56 GMT
is anyone else sick of the giggs never turned up for friendlies saga we've had today?! Yes I’m fed up of it. Plenty of Welsh players (Ramsey vs Panama?) have missed friendlies. The Nations League should put a stop to this. The Welsh setup is a lot more professional now as well.
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Jan 16, 2018 9:03:41 GMT
Post by pendragon on Jan 16, 2018 9:03:41 GMT
is anyone else sick of the giggs never turned up for friendlies saga we've had today?! Yep. That and the "he did his sister-in-law" spiel.
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Jan 16, 2018 9:16:23 GMT
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Post by conwy10 on Jan 16, 2018 9:16:23 GMT
is anyone else sick of the giggs never turned up for friendlies saga we've had today?! The question got asked and Giggs said if he gets the results people will forget. He’s 100% correct Probably won't forget, just be less bothered by it.
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Jan 16, 2018 9:22:10 GMT
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Post by bale-droed on Jan 16, 2018 9:22:10 GMT
is anyone else sick of the giggs never turned up for friendlies saga we've had today?! Yep. That and the "he did his sister-in-law" spiel. a lot less he's the first mixed race person managing a home nation than I thought though....
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Jan 16, 2018 9:47:34 GMT
Post by dai on Jan 16, 2018 9:47:34 GMT
is anyone else sick of the giggs never turned up for friendlies saga we've had today?! Yes I’m fed up of it. Plenty of Welsh players (Ramsey vs Panama?) have missed friendlies. The Nations League should put a stop to this. The Welsh setup is a lot more professional now as well. How many friendlies has Bale played in the last 5 years??
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Post by joio on Jan 16, 2018 10:05:31 GMT
Everyone on social media alongide people like Shearer, Richard Keys and Lineker are having a pop and it seems like half of England are mocking us for appointing Giggs. If you look at the Daily Mail comments page (I know,I know) it is literlly 90% England fans taking the piss out of us for appointing him and that's before you start on Twitter. Somehow I've ended up defending him and praying that he'll prove them all wrong. It feels like the kid who's always fighting with his brother but when the brother is in trouble with someone from outside the family,he's got his back. England still have not forgotten the Iceland video. That is what this is about. After all they have Southgate as Manager.... you could say the same who is going to take the penalty shoot out training? Agree. I couldn't care less what the English think especially when they have Gareth Southgate! Also, look at Sven, Capello, Mclaren, Allardyce etc. We don't need any lessons from them regarding appointing managers. I'm starting to come round to the idea of Giggs as manager. I've also seen a few reminders on social media which has helped - like these quotes below. Giggs on playing for England, 2002 "I'd rather go through my career without qualifying for a major championship than play for a country where I wasn't born or which my parents didn't have anything to do with". Ryan Giggs, 1997, supporting Welsh devolution. "I'm fed up of seeing Welsh people treated like a bunch of Sunday reserves."
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Post by phillywelsh83 on Jan 16, 2018 11:13:00 GMT
He was far from my first choice, but is here now and I'll support the team regardless of who is the Manager (although I will have to review that support if he just brings in the Salford cronies) Yeah that's the main reason I wont be 100% behind him yet, he needs to prove his commitment first. One way of doing that will be to get out and meet the Welsh public, grass roots football, LoW, all levels of the men and women's game and look like he actually wants to be there. Coleman was excellent at this, time will tell if Giggs has the heart for it. I'm not sure that even if Giggs wanted to do it, that Mr. Ford would be encouraging it. We're in a whole new world of media where you can get a "message" across to thousands of supporters via the various social media outlets, just with a quick interview. I don't think that Mr. Ford would want him in the bear pit of a Tonypandy club house on a wet Thursday in February. On a slight tangent; it seems those hardcore fans that were against Giggs will support the team regardless, but what of those Giggs fans (who seemed to be a lot of fairweather fans), I wonder whether his appointment will change anything in them? Buy a tournament ticket? Go to away games? Or just head back to their armchairs when there is a whiff of a bad run of results. I go to home and away games, not a fair weather fan. Im a Welsh football fan. Just someone who hasn't jumped on a pathetic anti-Giggs bandwagon. I want what is best for Wales, and can see through the silly observations of not turning up for friendlies or who he happens to put his penis in! I wont be one of the hypocrites who vehemently criticised him, yet in a year or so will be singing his name in games, like many did with Coleman.
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Post by texan on Jan 16, 2018 11:50:38 GMT
I must admit, the attempt to whitewash the friendly issue in the press has grated on me.
For the past 2 to 3 days I've listened/read to numerous ex Wales & Utd pros come out of the woodwork to profess Giggs missing friendlies was 'justified to prolong his career', was normal 'back in the day' or that it wasn't his fault but rather Fergie's. In Clayton Blackmore's case he professed that he:
"...was there when Fergie told me and Sparky before a Wales friendly 'Yous two can go, but Ryan stays, I need to look after him' ".
The truth is however, it wasn't normal 'back in the day' and it isn't normal now, it's unprecedented, I can't think of a single other example within the game of football (past or present) where this has happened. Most important of all however...it WAS Giggs' fault...just as much as anyone else! He was complicit and allowed Ferguson to dictate his international career path without question. Fair enough as a 17-20 year old who had more fame and a bigger fan base than Bros. (Google it kids!) back in the day, the buzz and expectancy surrounding him was insane and on another level to anything that had been seen before, he was mobbed wherever he went back in 1991/92. He absolutely needed protecting and Ferguson's actions were at the very least understandable.
However by 1994 the heat had all pretty much died down, 94/95 had been an uninspiring season for him and he was one of the more senior players in the Utd dressing room (experience-wise). But these instructions to miss matches didn't phase out as he grew older, they carried on for another 6 years, he only played his first friendly (the showpiece v Finland in our first match at the Mill Stad) when he was 27, think about that...TWENTY SEVEN! That's equivalent to Ramsey making his friendly debut in March during the China Cup! After that match in 2000? It was back to (mostly) missing friendlies again.
Plenty of players have been instructed to skip international matches over the years, it always happens. Managers often complain for example about the African Nation's Cup where they lose vital players for about 6 weeks, I can recall a few being forcibly held back by their clubs over the years. We've seen it ourselves of course...Bale being held back by RM in November, Savage by Bruce in 2003, Bellamy on a few occasions by Man City and Newcastle amongst many other examples. However these are mostly one-off's due to injury or fatigue, and are usually accompanied by the national team's and/or player's grudging acceptance, or in some cases the player's outright anger and defiance by going anyway!
The difference with Giggs' situation however was that it was every single friendly for the first nine years of his career. In total he's missed 32 Wales games by avoiding friendlies and only turned up for 9 (nine!) and, in a 16 year international career, in the eyes of many those are pretty damning stats! Worse still in my view was his absolute silence regarding the issue and his seemingly complete acceptance of the situation, right up to pretty much today.
Back in the reality of the present day, many state the above is pretty irrelevant going forward from hereon in, and to a great extent they are of course correct. However it did still happen, he DID miss these games for flimsy reasons and he DID let the side(s) down by allowing it to happen for so many years, there should be no getting around that. The reality of his history with the Wales team shouldn't be colourised, glossed-over or forgotten and he shouldn't receive a get-out-of-jail-free card just because he's now the manager. Questions will be asked (fair play to Rob Phillips...dove straight in there yesterday!) and will continue to be asked right up until that first match.
Questioning his past need not be viewed as a hindrance to Giggs' new Wales role however, it is instead a fantastic opportunity for him to reset his kudos with the Wales fan-base and start afresh. If he readily accepts these criticisms, embraces the role and shows determination and commitment going forward, he will take an enormous step to righting the wrongs of his past in the eyes of many fans.
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Jan 16, 2018 12:05:02 GMT
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Post by evans1282 on Jan 16, 2018 12:05:02 GMT
Yes I’m fed up of it. Plenty of Welsh players (Ramsey vs Panama?) have missed friendlies. The Nations League should put a stop to this. The Welsh setup is a lot more professional now as well. How many friendlies has Bale played in the last 5 years?? three more than Giggs in his career!
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Jan 16, 2018 12:10:18 GMT
Post by 1gwaunview on Jan 16, 2018 12:10:18 GMT
Well done Texan, good post.
I think many of us remain to be convinced by this appointment, but hope we will be surprised and delighted by the end of his contract with some success along the way.
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Post by joseywales37 on Jan 16, 2018 12:13:54 GMT
He was far from my first choice, but is here now and I'll support the team regardless of who is the Manager (although I will have to review that support if he just brings in the Salford cronies) I'm not sure that even if Giggs wanted to do it, that Mr. Ford would be encouraging it. We're in a whole new world of media where you can get a "message" across to thousands of supporters via the various social media outlets, just with a quick interview. I don't think that Mr. Ford would want him in the bear pit of a Tonypandy club house on a wet Thursday in February. On a slight tangent; it seems those hardcore fans that were against Giggs will support the team regardless, but what of those Giggs fans (who seemed to be a lot of fairweather fans), I wonder whether his appointment will change anything in them? Buy a tournament ticket? Go to away games? Or just head back to their armchairs when there is a whiff of a bad run of results. I go to home and away games, not a fair weather fan. Im a Welsh football fan. Just someone who hasn't jumped on a pathetic anti-Giggs bandwagon. I want what is best for Wales, and can see through the silly observations of not turning up for friendlies or who he happens to put his penis in! I wont be one of the hypocrites who vehemently criticised him, yet in a year or so will be singing his name in games, like many did with Coleman. This the way I feel too. Anyway, here's an idea I came up......A grumbling deadline day, even some one who said they were grumbling think its a good idea lol. Get it all out of the old system so we can just get on with supporting the team.
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Jan 16, 2018 12:16:32 GMT
Post by 1gwaunview on Jan 16, 2018 12:16:32 GMT
There's nothing we can do now, he's been appointed (unfortunately), time to focus on the team and qualifying for 2020 Euros.
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Post by CrackityJones on Jan 16, 2018 12:33:38 GMT
I go to home and away games, not a fair weather fan. Im a Welsh football fan. Just someone who hasn't jumped on a pathetic anti-Giggs bandwagon. I want what is best for Wales, and can see through the silly observations of not turning up for friendlies or who he happens to put his penis in! I wont be one of the hypocrites who vehemently criticised him, yet in a year or so will be singing his name in games, like many did with Coleman. This the way I feel too. Anyway, here's an idea I came up......A grumbling deadline day, even some one who said they were grumbling think its a good idea lol. Get it all out of the old system so we can just get on with supporting the team. There's currently more grumbling about the grumbling on here than anything else.
Getting really tedious now.
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Jan 16, 2018 12:47:33 GMT
Post by pendragon on Jan 16, 2018 12:47:33 GMT
Everyone on social media alongide people like Shearer, Richard Keys and Lineker are having a pop and it seems like half of England are mocking us for appointing Giggs. If you look at the Daily Mail comments page (I know,I know) it is literlly 90% England fans taking the piss out of us for appointing him and that's before you start on Twitter. Somehow I've ended up defending him and praying that he'll prove them all wrong. It feels like the kid who's always fighting with his brother but when the brother is in trouble with someone from outside the family,he's got his back. I've seen the comments.. Don't comment myself though. Maybe I'll open an account! I agree, some vociferous comments on there. But then again, they appointed Southgate who was young and had some (though, not substantial) experience so what d'ya know?!
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Jan 16, 2018 12:54:23 GMT
Post by joseywales37 on Jan 16, 2018 12:54:23 GMT
This the way I feel too. Anyway, here's an idea I came up......A grumbling deadline day, even some one who said they were grumbling think its a good idea lol. Get it all out of the old system so we can just get on with supporting the team. There's currently more grumbling about the grumbling on here than anything else.
Getting really tedious now.
I think the point is tho man, is that the appointment has now been made. All arguments have been done to death for and against etc. You go on fb or twitter and just about every time some one comes on and goes what about the friendlies, what about the affairs over and over, now that's tedious. Imo most arguments against have been fairly and squarely answered (just my opinion mind), the only thing we can all do now is see how team plays, see what results over a fair period (not just 1 or 2 games), and then do as we would do with any manager. Is technically what you have just done grumbling about the people grumbling about the grumblers ? (light hearted joke of course )
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Post by phillywelsh83 on Jan 16, 2018 12:56:31 GMT
This the way I feel too. Anyway, here's an idea I came up......A grumbling deadline day, even some one who said they were grumbling think its a good idea lol. Get it all out of the old system so we can just get on with supporting the team. There's currently more grumbling about the grumbling on here than anything else.
Getting really tedious now.
But i agree, i think now is time be positive and excited about the future of Wales.
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Post by welshiron on Jan 16, 2018 13:13:59 GMT
I can't get excited by this appointment, with qualifying now easier than ever I feel he is to big a risk
- No Experience
- Commitment in question
- No Morals
The only reason he has been appointed is money as I can see a lot of foreign Manure fans now showiing an interest.
I really hope it works out but for me it's not the right appointment
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Post by cymroircarn on Jan 16, 2018 13:23:41 GMT
Yes I’m fed up of it. Plenty of Welsh players (Ramsey vs Panama?) have missed friendlies. The Nations League should put a stop to this. The Welsh setup is a lot more professional now as well. How many friendlies has Bale played in the last 5 years?? I don’t know. I was using Ramsey as an example because a) he played against France and b) he was not injured and did not play as agreed with his club If we are going to criticise let’s be consistent. Plenty of players have unfortunately done it over the years. Hopefully the Nations League will help to put a stop to it.
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Jan 16, 2018 13:27:19 GMT
Post by welshiron on Jan 16, 2018 13:27:19 GMT
Giggs would of played in niether
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