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Post by holmesdaleultra on Sept 7, 2018 17:34:48 GMT
They were also calling us little englanders lol They were even questioning how many non welsh born players we had in the team bizarrely similar behaviour to the English/press they seem to despise while also supporting an english football club no doubt. No worse than the abuse on here last year. Yes but I cannot recall any Welsh questioning the number of english born players in the Irish team. |
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Post by oscardelta on Sept 7, 2018 18:42:01 GMT
No worse than the abuse on here last year. Yes but I cannot recall any Welsh questioning the number of english born players in the Irish team. Abuse is abuse doesn't have to be specific on one subject. |
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Post by irelandfan on Sept 7, 2018 18:47:20 GMT
Which I though was a very poor attendance.
We had circa 1500 v 3000 last time but again this was known in advance.
Do you reckon the Irish fans will boycott the return fixture in Dublin if the management stays the same? Does this mean Wales will have a bigger away allocation? Talking to alot of the hardcore group of fans last night and we all agreed attendances at our 2 home games next month will be terrible. Some fans already voted with their feet this year number of season ticket holders reduced from 15000 to 12000 and looking at comments today after ladt night i can't see too many casusl fans paying €50 or €70 (know is €30 tickets but very few) to watch us atm. Reckon fai could give yous whatever yous wanted but will yous take many more than the original allocation yous get |
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Post by quetzal on Sept 8, 2018 1:36:00 GMT
What did you make of the Irish keeper Randolph? He never got near any of the goals. Ok Bale’s fair enough. It just looked like he was slow off the mark.
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Post by matty on Sept 8, 2018 8:02:58 GMT
Ireland - a team in transition and a manager who is behind the times. If you want to talk to another international team about that you've come to the right place - thankfully John Toshack left a number of years ago.
I'm sure things will change for you Irish. You've always had a good team and on top of that you've always punched above your weight.
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Post by irelandfan on Sept 8, 2018 8:46:08 GMT
What did you make of the Irish keeper Randolph? He never got near any of the goals. Ok Bale’s fair enough. It just looked like he was slow off the mark. Thought he was poor enough for 1st goal shouldn't be getting beat at near post like that imo. Made few saves that kept it at 4 His position wont be in doubt though since oneil ignores any young keepers we have to pick a 33 year old keeper that is warming the bench at hearts this season |
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Post by cymro on Sept 8, 2018 8:48:51 GMT
I doubt you’re the only one. The Canton was bouncing at times last night, loved it. Is that the singing section ............................ were there a lot missing last night from it.
it was quiet majority of game.
Quiet? Really? |
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Post by cymro on Sept 8, 2018 8:54:41 GMT
To be honest, from my point of view, the calls for O'Neill to go are understandable only in light of the last two hammerings. When you look at the bigger picture and the last qualifying campaign in full, it's hard to fathom. Getting (no offence) that bunch of sloggers to a World Cup play off was an incredible feat. The way he plays isn't pretty but the cupboard is bare in terms of playing talent. IMO there are two ways to go, either back O'Neill and try and grind results out short term and hope something comes through, or do the full scale write-off of Irish chances and start again with a new, cheaper, possibly domestically-based manager. This second method is no guarantee of success either. From what I gather the FAI are greedy and hate the thought of a painful rebuild for a couple of years out of fear of losing sponsors and ticket sales. Therefore they'll most likely continue with MON and Keane and sneak the odd big 1-0 win from time to time by playing to their strengths with experienced players, but ultimately build nothing long term. |
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Post by insertname on Sept 8, 2018 10:17:56 GMT
I agree with some of your points. Some parts of that game (before the first goal and after our final goal), we did concede possession a few times and I remember thinking that the Danes would have punished us for that. But I did put it down to inexperience, youth and towards the end, fatigue. Giggs admitted himself that there were mistakes and I'm sure he'll work on them. In the grand scheme of things, these mistakes were very minor and only worth mentioning in the context of preparations for the next game. Cannot fault them at all for tonight's display. They exceeded my expectations and more. The performance tonight has given me faith that a victory over the Danes is achievable. I expected us to get a tanking and was not really surprised at result.
Additionally I feel Wales had a point to prove as their world cup campaign was a dismal disaster, in part I believe because of a cockiness / over confidence at Euro16's performance. ROI coming to Cardiff and beating them rubbed salt into it.
Wales played better than expected but they couldn't have played worse than last year, with lots of good ball movement and Bale's goal was a great one to have seen. I genuinely wanted to see him play last year.
Randolph conceding at inside again and again was a disaster and worrying plus our inability to close players down. We were way too open at the back and confidence was not there.
What was more troubling is our continued inability to hold onto the ball once we have in plus Cyrus Christies belief that he can somehow cross the ball. Not seen him do it yet.
The internals before this game for the team were not good and think that is down to MON/RK. Their job is to build confidence among the players.
Personal belief is that RK made a comment to a number of players based on where they were born. Maybe right, maybe wrong but the unwillingness to actually address this is what goves cause for concern. He may believe it was in jest but as someone who knows many born in UK who are Irish it is not something people take lightly. Could be wrong and maybe I am finding something to fit the story.
At the moment their is a distinct lack of belief within the team, not helped by the internals.
I could be wrong but expect Declan Rice to come back on board as have always believed it was brought about by WMU pressure on him.
I don't think there was any point to prove this time round or post Euros arrogance last time, we are simply a different beast at the moment. Chris Coleman's Wales was meat and drink for you lot. There were so many variables in play that it is hard to say "we would have beaten you with Giggs in charge" last time round but you would probably have had to work harder for the result due to the way Coleman's tactics inhibited our best players. As you say, we could also hardly play any worse than we did last time round which just about says it all for such a crucial game. |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Sept 8, 2018 11:07:20 GMT
They were also calling us little englanders lol They were even questioning how many non welsh born players we had in the team bizarrely similar behaviour to the English/press they seem to despise while also supporting an english football club no doubt. No worse than the abuse on here last year. Most of the time you seem rather level headed, but my god you're a sore loser. |
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Post by captaincabbages on Sept 8, 2018 11:30:51 GMT
Is that the singing section ............................ were there a lot missing last night from it.
it was quiet majority of game.
Quiet? Really? I hear this a lot from away fans at the CCS. I think it might have something to do with the acoustics at the stadium. Its a cheap build at the end of the day. Doesn't help that the away fans are on the other side of the ground either. Canton sounded in fine voice on the TV though. As for the attendance, I didn't think it was too bad considering it wasn't a traditional qualifier. Will be interesting to see what the crowds are like elsewhere in Europe. |
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Post by oscardelta on Sept 8, 2018 12:42:57 GMT
Is that the singing section ............................ were there a lot missing last night from it.
it was quiet majority of game.
Quiet? Really? The occasional burst but quiet............... |
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Post by oscardelta on Sept 8, 2018 12:47:18 GMT
No worse than the abuse on here last year. Most of the team you seem rather level headed, but my god you're a sore loser. Lol
Nope as I was clear from before the match we stood little chance but there was abuse on here last year............... you dealt with it so you would know.
Similar on YBIG I believe but I am PNG on there anyway so probably look at maybe once or twice a year.
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Post by oscardelta on Sept 8, 2018 12:48:23 GMT
I hear this a lot from away fans at the CCS. I think it might have something to do with the acoustics at the stadium. Its a cheap build at the end of the day. Doesn't help that the away fans are on the other side of the ground either. Canton sounded in fine voice on the TV though. As for the attendance, I didn't think it was too bad considering it wasn't a traditional qualifier. Will be interesting to see what the crowds are like elsewhere in Europe. Fair point as acoustics is not something the people building care about. |
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Post by quetzal on Sept 8, 2018 12:57:20 GMT
I hear this a lot from away fans at the CCS. I think it might have something to do with the acoustics at the stadium. Its a cheap build at the end of the day. Doesn't help that the away fans are on the other side of the ground either. Canton sounded in fine voice on the TV though. As for the attendance, I didn't think it was too bad considering it wasn't a traditional qualifier. Will be interesting to see what the crowds are like elsewhere in Europe. Fair point as acoustics is not something the people building care about. I thought the attendance was a disgrace. Welsh national team is way down on most people’s list. Their English club team first. Hate that. |
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Post by cymro on Sept 8, 2018 12:57:41 GMT
English people at work yesterday said it sounded brilliant on tv. The game was won before half time anyway so wasn't going to be rocking throughout.  |
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Post by oscardelta on Sept 8, 2018 13:07:03 GMT
Fair point as acoustics is not something the people building care about. I thought the attendance was a disgrace. Welsh national team is way down on most people’s list. Their English club team first. Hate that. Fair point.
GAA in Ireland had 5 semi finals (1 replay) for Football and Hurling and 2 Finals in the 5 weeks before that and worst attendance was 50,000 in Croke Park, a replay had 44,000 in Tipperary.
Soccer is just not dragging people in.
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Post by dai on Sept 8, 2018 13:17:37 GMT
The attendance was fine, but then I remember watching games at the liberty and in cardiff where we were just topping 10k, and also a few at Parc y Sgarlets which were even less.
So to get 25k now in mid week on the first school week after summer hols isnt bad. Any fans who say otherwise don't appreciate the history.
From 2004 - 2014 we probably averaged 12-14k per match.
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Post by captaincabbages on Sept 8, 2018 13:22:38 GMT
The attendance was fine, but then I remember watching games at the liberty and in cardiff where we were just topping 10k, and also a few at Parc y Sgarlets which were even less. So to get 25k now in mid week on the first school week after summer hols isnt bad. Any fans who say otherwise don't appreciate the history. From 2004 - 2014 we probably averaged 12-14k per match. This^ If that had been a normal qualifier the other day I am pretty sure it would have sold out pretty comfortably. There is a perception at the moment amongst the general public that these nations league matches are nothing but a bunch of glorified friendlies and its going to take a while for this perception to shift. We are a well supported nation these days at international level. One of the best in europe in fact, and thats despite the fact we have been turning away 10's of thousands of people for a lot of our matches in the last few years due to the limited capacity of the CCS. |
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Post by dai on Sept 8, 2018 13:24:40 GMT
The attendance was fine, but then I remember watching games at the liberty and in cardiff where we were just topping 10k, and also a few at Parc y Sgarlets which were even less. So to get 25k now in mid week on the first school week after summer hols isnt bad. Any fans who say otherwise don't appreciate the history. From 2004 - 2014 we probably averaged 12-14k per match. Here we are; www.skysports.com/football/wales-vs-bosherz/257001only 6000 people turned up for a friendly vs Bosnia in 2012. Now that is a poor turnout. So when youve been a part of that, to see 25,000 turn up isnt bad at all! |
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Post by quetzal on Sept 8, 2018 13:26:59 GMT
The attendance was fine, but then I remember watching games at the liberty and in cardiff where we were just topping 10k, and also a few at Parc y Sgarlets which were even less. So to get 25k now in mid week on the first school week after summer hols isnt bad. Any fans who say otherwise don't appreciate the history. From 2004 - 2014 we probably averaged 12-14k per match. Yes but we’re not crap anymore. As a Welsh fanatic living in Latin America I will always have a little bit of bitterness because I can’t go to these games. I don’t know. Too many Liverpool and Man Utd fans in Wales where the national team is a massive 2nd or 3rd. I say 3rd because sometimes it’s Liverpool and then Cardiff or Swansea and then Wales. |
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Post by welshiron on Sept 8, 2018 13:27:21 GMT
The attendance was fine, but then I remember watching games at the liberty and in cardiff where we were just topping 10k, and also a few at Parc y Sgarlets which were even less. So to get 25k now in mid week on the first school week after summer hols isnt bad. Any fans who say otherwise don't appreciate the history. From 2004 - 2014 we probably averaged 12-14k per match. Here we are; www.skysports.com/football/wales-vs-bosherz/257001only 6000 people turned up for a friendly vs Bosnia in 2012. Now that is a poor turnout. So when youve been a part of that, to see 25,000 turn up isnt bad at all! That Bosnian game was a grim night all round. Hope we never play there again |
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Post by captaincabbages on Sept 8, 2018 13:39:34 GMT
The attendance was fine, but then I remember watching games at the liberty and in cardiff where we were just topping 10k, and also a few at Parc y Sgarlets which were even less. So to get 25k now in mid week on the first school week after summer hols isnt bad. Any fans who say otherwise don't appreciate the history. From 2004 - 2014 we probably averaged 12-14k per match. Yes but we’re not crap anymore. As a Welsh fanatic living in Latin America I will always have a little bit of bitterness because I can’t go to these games. I don’t know. Too many Liverpool and Man Utd fans in Wales where the national team is a massive 2nd or 3rd. I say 3rd because sometimes it’s Liverpool and then Cardiff or Swansea and then Wales. Our attendances are good though? We sold out every game (general admission areas) in the last campaign and the last two sold out to members alone in just 2 hours. Yes there are alot of plastics down here but then there are all over the UK. |
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Post by dai on Sept 8, 2018 13:46:35 GMT
The attendance was fine, but then I remember watching games at the liberty and in cardiff where we were just topping 10k, and also a few at Parc y Sgarlets which were even less. So to get 25k now in mid week on the first school week after summer hols isnt bad. Any fans who say otherwise don't appreciate the history. From 2004 - 2014 we probably averaged 12-14k per match. Yes but we’re not crap anymore. As a Welsh fanatic living in Latin America I will always have a little bit of bitterness because I can’t go to these games. I don’t know. Too many Liverpool and Man Utd fans in Wales where the national team is a massive 2nd or 3rd. I say 3rd because sometimes it’s Liverpool and then Cardiff or Swansea and then Wales. Yeah I agree, there are a lot of club fans who have no interest in the national team, including a lot of Swansea and Cardiff fans. But its not as bad as it was. |
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Post by zenith on Sept 8, 2018 14:45:18 GMT
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Post by manulike on Sept 8, 2018 20:11:45 GMT
Irish season ticket holders reduced from 15000 to 12000 is quite poor.
I was worried about ours dropping from 19500 to 14k - but genuinely believe that we might get it up to over 20k come the Euros 'proper' in March :+)
I will be a little disappointed if we can't fill the CCS for the Denmark match
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Post by Albert on Sept 8, 2018 21:04:14 GMT
Irish season ticket holders reduced from 15000 to 12000 is quite poor. I was worried about ours dropping from 19500 to 14k - but genuinely believe that we might get it up to over 20k come the Euros 'proper' in March :+) I will be a little disappointed if we can't fill the CCS for the Denmark match I was quite surprised it was only 25k . Certainly didn't look like 8000 seats empty. |
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Post by captaincabbages on Sept 8, 2018 21:52:12 GMT
Irish season ticket holders reduced from 15000 to 12000 is quite poor. I was worried about ours dropping from 19500 to 14k - but genuinely believe that we might get it up to over 20k come the Euros 'proper' in March :+) I will be a little disappointed if we can't fill the CCS for the Denmark match I was quite surprised it was only 25k . Certainly didn't look like 8000 seats empty. Away end was half empty (1500), there was some segregation either side of it (700+), top tier of Ninian was half full at best (1800), there were quite a few empty seats in the Ninian lower tier (500+), family stand was around two thirds full (1000) and the cooperate areas/top tier of Grandstand had tons of empty seats (2000). Seemed about right to me. |
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Post by ravishingrick on Sept 9, 2018 0:40:20 GMT
To think his father Kwame was raised in Dublin and played U21 for Ireland. It breaks our hearts over here that Ethan is not one of ours.  |
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Post by oscardelta on Sept 9, 2018 15:01:45 GMT
Irish season ticket holders reduced from 15000 to 12000 is quite poor. I was worried about ours dropping from 19500 to 14k - but genuinely believe that we might get it up to over 20k come the Euros 'proper' in March :+) I will be a little disappointed if we can't fill the CCS for the Denmark match Wales had a bigger drop in a smaller stadium.
I believe we have gone down from 20,000 to 15,000 but not really surprised as qualifiers are a long way off plus there has rarely been issues in getting tickets in the Aviva.................. the odd game excepted.
FAI have suggested they will clear all their debt in 2020, probably not unrealistic given amount of money UEFA handing out and with the games there in 2020 and I believe that wasn't taking into account qualification.
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