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Post by iot on Aug 27, 2018 17:43:47 GMT
He probably doesn't deserve to be dropped from the first team yet, to say he should be dropped from the squad is just ludicrous. For one thing, it would be terrible for squad morale imo to see their leader for the past 6 years unceremoniously dropped like that. More importantly, he's played really well for us (barring the ireland game) even when he was struggling at everton. I didn't see his sending off at stoke the other day, but in the game before that stoke fans were raving about him. Agree, it would be totally bonkers to leave him out. Though I think for the Euro 2020 qualifying campaign in March a new captain will be named. One to monitor I think, depending on his form and that of our other CBs. He might surprise us and get back to the Ash we all know and love! |
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Post by banjaxed on Aug 27, 2018 17:52:20 GMT
One of the worst Irish squads I have seen in my 36 years. Lord, save us. Saying it now, but with the players available and inept management in place, consider it a failure if you guys take less than 4 points against us. No pressure.. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Aug 27, 2018 17:54:21 GMT
My 23 as far as I understand the current situation with injuries.
GK: Hennessey, Ward, Maxwell
DEF: Chester, Williams, Dummett, Davies, Roberts, Mepham, Rodon, Gunter
MID: Ramsey, Allen, Evans, Ampadu, Ledley, King
ATT: Bale, Brooks, Lawrence, Vokes, Woodburn, Edwards
I personally wouldn't start Williams but it's ludicrous to suggest that he shouldn't be in the squad.
Gunter will be in there even if he isn't match fit as others have suggested. If he wasn't there I'd include Freeman as he is currently playing.
Wilson would be in over Edwards if fit but it sounds like he won't be. I hope Edwards is included for this one.
King over Matt Smith by virtue of his performances in China, but hopefully Smith can kick on and push him for a place in the next squad.
My starting XI;
Hennessey
Roberts
Mepham
Chester
Dummett
Davies
Ramsey
Allen
Brooks
Lawrence
Bale
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Post by zenith on Aug 27, 2018 18:08:55 GMT
My 23 as far as I understand the current situation with injuries. GK: Hennessey, Ward, Maxwell DEF: Chester, Williams, Dummett, Davies, Roberts, Mepham, Rodon, Gunter MID: Ramsey, Allen, Evans, Ampadu, Ledley, King ATT: Bale, Brooks, Lawrence, Vokes, Woodburn, Edwards I personally wouldn't start Williams but it's ludicrous to suggest that he shouldn't be in the squad. Gunter will be in there even if he isn't match fit as others have suggested. If he wasn't there I'd include Freeman as he is currently playing. Wilson would be in over Edwards if fit but it sounds like he won't be. I hope Edwards is included for this one. King over Matt Smith by virtue of his performances in China, but hopefully Smith can kick on and push him for a place in the next squad. My starting XI; Hennessey Roberts Mepham Chester Dummett Davies Ramsey Allen Brooks Lawrence Bale Would prefer Rodon and Smith to be with the 21s as they definitely won’t play next month. If he goes with 8 defenders, Jazz will be in there. |
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Post by manulike on Aug 27, 2018 19:45:18 GMT
One of the worst Irish squads I have seen in my 36 years. Lord, save us. Saying it now, but with the players available and inept management in place, consider it a failure if you guys take less than 4 points against us. No pressure.. No idea why you think that? That team still has a very solid 7 or 8 top notch players with Seamus Coleman, James McClean and Shane Long being world class. With our depleted defense, heavily reliant of a couple of teenagers, we will struggle to keep a clean sheet and will be lucky to get a 0-0 draw.
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Post by biwmares on Aug 27, 2018 19:52:14 GMT
No Declan Rice for them. Looks like Southgate is trying to claw him from the boys in green. Interesting development regarding Declan Rice & he has played through the age groups for the ROI It would not suprise me if the English try the same tactic with Ethan Ampadu. But the ROI have been poaching players from NI & Scotland especially for many years and they did it with our Kevin Sheedy. |
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Post by jobangles on Aug 27, 2018 20:44:18 GMT
No Declan Rice for them. Looks like Southgate is trying to claw him from the boys in green. Interesting development regarding Declan Rice & he has played through the age groups for the ROI It would not suprise me if the English try the same tactic with Ethan Ampadu. But the ROI have been poaching players from NI & Scotland especially for many years and they did it with our Kevin Sheedy. Ethan's father played for Ireland. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Aug 28, 2018 9:25:17 GMT
My 23 as far as I understand the current situation with injuries. GK: Hennessey, Ward, Maxwell DEF: Chester, Williams, Dummett, Davies, Roberts, Mepham, Rodon, Gunter MID: Ramsey, Allen, Evans, Ampadu, Ledley, King ATT: Bale, Brooks, Lawrence, Vokes, Woodburn, Edwards I personally wouldn't start Williams but it's ludicrous to suggest that he shouldn't be in the squad. Gunter will be in there even if he isn't match fit as others have suggested. If he wasn't there I'd include Freeman as he is currently playing. Wilson would be in over Edwards if fit but it sounds like he won't be. I hope Edwards is included for this one. King over Matt Smith by virtue of his performances in China, but hopefully Smith can kick on and push him for a place in the next squad. My starting XI; Hennessey Roberts Mepham Chester Dummett Davies Ramsey Allen Brooks Lawrence Bale Would prefer Rodon and Smith to be with the 21s as they definitely won’t play next month. If he goes with 8 defenders, Jazz will be in there. Good point. I do wonder with him though if socialising him to the seniors may be beneficial for his development, as he has played plenty of youth football. After stepping up with the Swans, a training camp with the seniors may aid his adjustment to mens football. Maybe a Swans fan could shed some light on what they think would be better for his development? |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Aug 28, 2018 9:47:04 GMT
No Declan Rice for them. Looks like Southgate is trying to claw him from the boys in green. Interesting development regarding Declan Rice & he has played through the age groups for the ROI It would not suprise me if the English try the same tactic with Ethan Ampadu. But the ROI have been poaching players from NI & Scotland especially for many years and they did it with our Kevin Sheedy. Not quite sure how the Irish setup works, but I think this is one of the FAW's biggest strengths. All of our dual qualified players seem to really understand what playing for Wales means, and they have all publically stated where their loyalties lie. Obviously Osian is a big part of this, but I think another big part of this is that the pathway into the first team is clear with Wales. If you play well through the age groups you will make it into the first team. We can point to Bale and Ramsey et al as examples of this. The difference being with the English system of years gone by, is that England would pick their squad based on who was playing for the big teams in the Premier League. This makes it harder for youngsters to see a pathway into the first team. We can also point towards our success at the Euros as evidence that our setup works. I don't think Ampadu would be swayed by Southgate as he knows that sticking with Wales is more of a guarantee to have a successful international career. And Wales showed him respect and admiration by making contact with him at a young age, something England didn't do. |
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Post by 1gwaunview on Aug 28, 2018 10:22:14 GMT
I hope Bummett isn't selected. He had his chance and sulked. Prefer to see one of the U21s in the squad for the experience.
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Post by conwy10 on Aug 28, 2018 10:29:04 GMT
I’m sorry but if the starting line up, let alone the squad, doesn’t have Gunter and Williams in it I’ve lost faith in Welsh football. Match fit or not. I’ve played more matches this season than Williams but I don’t think I should be ahead of him. He’s better than the alternatives.
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Post by zenith on Aug 28, 2018 10:31:57 GMT
I’m sorry but if the starting line up, let alone the squad, doesn’t have Gunter and Williams in it I’ve lost faith in Welsh football. Match fit or not. I’ve played more matches this season than Williams but I don’t think I should be ahead of him. He’s better than the alternatives. Gunter is the only doubt at the moment. Williams is starting 100%. |
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Post by dai on Aug 28, 2018 11:28:23 GMT
Isn't Wilson meant to be back game after next for Derby? Presuming he will be ok for the international break then,
Also, does Jonny Williams get a look in now? Played a lot in pre-season for Palace, albeit not so much now. I'd have him over King tbh.
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Post by phillywelsh83 on Aug 28, 2018 11:33:00 GMT
I hope Bummett isn't selected. He had his chance and sulked. Prefer to see one of the U21s in the squad for the experience. Bummett  |
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Post by ae15 on Aug 28, 2018 11:37:57 GMT
That Ireland squad is very unbalanced, not that international managers can do anything about that. Very strong options in defence, and pretty awful options in attack.
They've done well to get Callum Robinson into the squad - he can be quite dangerous on his day, but it will remain to be seen whether he will start next Thursday. Otherwise they have Shane Long - a player who's averaged less than a goal in every 11 games over the past two seasons - and Jon Walters, who's only had 6 appearances for Burnley in the last year.
While at the back, Coleman, Christie, Doherty, Duffy and Clark would all easily get into our squad.
I see another attack v defence training session occurring next Thursday.
Their strengths are shape and aerials. We can't play into their hands by playing Vokes and setting up orthodoxically - that's too easy for them. Let's drag them out of their shape, make them have to think about what we're going to do, create space for our dangerous players. Playing Andy King on the right wing was suicidal last time.
We have the players to comfortably beat this team, playing it safe is what they'll want us to do.
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Post by manulike on Aug 28, 2018 13:31:46 GMT
Isn't Wilson meant to be back game after next for Derby? Presuming he will be ok for the international break then, Also, does Jonny Williams get a look in now? Played a lot in pre-season for Palace, albeit not so much now. I'd have him over King tbh. Sadly, Jonny was injured again as of last week ;-( |
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Post by dai on Aug 28, 2018 14:03:27 GMT
Isn't Wilson meant to be back game after next for Derby? Presuming he will be ok for the international break then, Also, does Jonny Williams get a look in now? Played a lot in pre-season for Palace, albeit not so much now. I'd have him over King tbh. Sadly, Jonny was injured again as of last week ;-( Fk sake, again?! He managed all pre-season fine. How long is he out for this time? |
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Post by manulike on Aug 28, 2018 14:22:44 GMT
Sadly, Jonny was injured again as of last week ;-( Fk sake, again?! He managed all pre-season fine. How long is he out for this time? Don't think it was the shoulder again. We will see how bad it is, if he is totally left out of the squad for tonight's game ;-(
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Post by cymroircarn on Aug 28, 2018 14:27:26 GMT
Sadly, Jonny was injured again as of last week ;-( Fk sake, again?! He managed all pre-season fine. How long is he out for this time? Think he stood on a Lego brick? If so Jonny will be out for 4-6 weeks 😂 |
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Post by ger93 on Aug 28, 2018 14:34:00 GMT
Isn't Wilson meant to be back game after next for Derby? Presuming he will be ok for the international break then, Also, does Jonny Williams get a look in now? Played a lot in pre-season for Palace, albeit not so much now. I'd have him over King tbh. Wilson a major doubt I imagine along with Ledley. Would be good to have but doubt he would start anyway. Think Lawrence's good (ish) form puts him ahead of Wilson at present. |
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Post by iot on Aug 28, 2018 14:49:11 GMT
That Ireland squad is very unbalanced, not that international managers can do anything about that. Very strong options in defence, and pretty awful options in attack. They've done well to get Callum Robinson into the squad - he can be quite dangerous on his day, but it will remain to be seen whether he will start next Thursday. Otherwise they have Shane Long - a player who's averaged less than a goal in every 11 games over the past two seasons - and Jon Walters, who's only had 6 appearances for Burnley in the last year. While at the back, Coleman, Christie, Doherty, Duffy and Clark would all easily get into our squad. I see another attack v defence training session occurring next Thursday. Their strengths are shape and aerials. We can't play into their hands by playing Vokes and setting up orthodoxically - that's too easy for them. Let's drag them out of their shape, make them have to think about what we're going to do, create space for our dangerous players. Playing Andy King on the right wing was suicidal last time. We have the players to comfortably beat this team, playing it safe is what they'll want us to do. "We have the players to comfortably beat this team, playing it safe is what they'll want us to do." I'm not sure if we can say that. If anything, all this talk about how poor Ireland are just makes me all the more nervous. In all my time watching Wales, I can't remember us managing to play well and open up a team that are focused on being organised and frustrate as much as possible. All of our impressive performances in recent years (Belgium, Russia, Israel) have been against teams that have been open and ready to take us on, we won't get that with Ireland. It will be a 0-0 or with 1 or two goals either scored from individual brilliance from Bale or Rambo, or from a cockup same as last time. |
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Post by dai on Aug 28, 2018 15:03:19 GMT
That Ireland squad is very unbalanced, not that international managers can do anything about that. Very strong options in defence, and pretty awful options in attack. They've done well to get Callum Robinson into the squad - he can be quite dangerous on his day, but it will remain to be seen whether he will start next Thursday. Otherwise they have Shane Long - a player who's averaged less than a goal in every 11 games over the past two seasons - and Jon Walters, who's only had 6 appearances for Burnley in the last year. While at the back, Coleman, Christie, Doherty, Duffy and Clark would all easily get into our squad. I see another attack v defence training session occurring next Thursday. Their strengths are shape and aerials. We can't play into their hands by playing Vokes and setting up orthodoxically - that's too easy for them. Let's drag them out of their shape, make them have to think about what we're going to do, create space for our dangerous players. Playing Andy King on the right wing was suicidal last time. We have the players to comfortably beat this team, playing it safe is what they'll want us to do. "We have the players to comfortably beat this team, playing it safe is what they'll want us to do." I'm not sure if we can say that. If anything, all this talk about how poor Ireland are just makes me all the more nervous. In all my time watching Wales, I can't remember us managing to play well and open up a team that are focused on being organised and frustrate as much as possible. All of our impressive performances in recent years (Belgium, Russia, Israel) have been against teams that have been open and ready to take us on, we won't get that with Ireland. It will be a 0-0 or with 1 or two goals either scored from individual brilliance from Bale or Rambo, or from a cockup same as last time. I agree, I don't think we're in any position to say that we can comfortably beat any team, let alone a defensive and organised Ireland. Ireland actually have more players playing in the Premier League than us as well. It's a bit worrying that our only defender playing top flight is Ben Davies, and I don't see that changing for the foreseeable future. I'm personally awaiting this game with a lot of nervousness. Desperate for a bit of revenge, but not sure if we can fulfil that. |
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Post by texan on Aug 28, 2018 15:04:12 GMT
Hamstring on this occasion, expected to return to training on 01/09/18.
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Post by dai on Aug 28, 2018 15:06:08 GMT
Hamstring on this occasion, expected to return to training on 01/09/18. Who? Williams or Wilson? |
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Post by superunknown on Aug 28, 2018 15:19:09 GMT
"We have the players to comfortably beat this team, playing it safe is what they'll want us to do." I'm not sure if we can say that. If anything, all this talk about how poor Ireland are just makes me all the more nervous. In all my time watching Wales, I can't remember us managing to play well and open up a team that are focused on being organised and frustrate as much as possible. All of our impressive performances in recent years (Belgium, Russia, Israel) have been against teams that have been open and ready to take us on, we won't get that with Ireland. It will be a 0-0 or with 1 or two goals either scored from individual brilliance from Bale or Rambo, or from a cockup same as last time. I agree, I don't think we're in any position to say that we can comfortably beat any team, let alone a defensive and organised Ireland. Ireland actually have more players playing in the Premier League than us as well. It's a bit worrying that our only defender playing top flight is Ben Davies, and I don't see that changing for the foreseeable future. I'm personally awaiting this game with a lot of nervousness. Desperate for a bit of revenge, but not sure if we can fulfil that. If we win it'll be by a single goal, can't see us getting more than that unless we score early and force Ireland to open up. I'm very excited for next Thursday and believe we have the better squad but I have no doubt in mind we're in for a solid Irish defensive display. If Ramsey is on form pinging passes through to Bale, Lawrence and Brooks (hopefully not Vokes) then we've got a chance of unlocking their defence but it's gonna be a tough first competitive test for Giggsy. |
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Post by texan on Aug 28, 2018 15:20:20 GMT
Hamstring on this occasion, expected to return to training on 01/09/18. Who? Williams or Wilson? Williams |
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Post by cymroircarn on Aug 28, 2018 15:36:41 GMT
"We have the players to comfortably beat this team, playing it safe is what they'll want us to do." I'm not sure if we can say that. If anything, all this talk about how poor Ireland are just makes me all the more nervous. In all my time watching Wales, I can't remember us managing to play well and open up a team that are focused on being organised and frustrate as much as possible. All of our impressive performances in recent years (Belgium, Russia, Israel) have been against teams that have been open and ready to take us on, we won't get that with Ireland. It will be a 0-0 or with 1 or two goals either scored from individual brilliance from Bale or Rambo, or from a cockup same as last time. I agree, I don't think we're in any position to say that we can comfortably beat any team, let alone a defensive and organised Ireland. Ireland actually have more players playing in the Premier League than us as well. It's a bit worrying that our only defender playing top flight is Ben Davies, and I don't see that changing for the foreseeable future. I'm personally awaiting this game with a lot of nervousness. Desperate for a bit of revenge, but not sure if we can fulfil that. Bournemouth have had a few bids for Mepham knocked back so he may move to the PL in January. Also don’t forget Paul Dummett.... |
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Post by superunknown on Aug 28, 2018 15:41:47 GMT
I agree, I don't think we're in any position to say that we can comfortably beat any team, let alone a defensive and organised Ireland. Ireland actually have more players playing in the Premier League than us as well. It's a bit worrying that our only defender playing top flight is Ben Davies, and I don't see that changing for the foreseeable future. I'm personally awaiting this game with a lot of nervousness. Desperate for a bit of revenge, but not sure if we can fulfil that. Bournemouth have had a few bids for Mepham knocked back so he may move to the PL in January. Also don’t forget Paul Dummett.... Ampadu is technically a Premier League defender also. Don't think our defence is as bad as being made out. Gunter is solid and dependable at RB. Ash aside, I'd say Chester would walk into at least half of Premier league defences, Mepham as stated could be at Bournemouth and Davies is at one of the best teams in the country, albeit on the bench last night despite being a better player than Rose. |
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Post by banjaxed on Aug 28, 2018 16:29:02 GMT
On paper we have a fairly solid defence alright, but we are devoid of creativity in midfield. Up front...holy god. Shane Long can't hit a barn door. Walters has no legs. Graham Burke has 1 cap (1 goal too in fairness). Robinson is a new cap.
You guys need to press us high. Every team who presses us reap the rewards. As our players are obviously playing to no
game plan, any sign of pressure will result in the ball being hoofed forward. Personally, I think it is yours to lose. If you guys can remain calm, knock the ball around and not get involved in a dogfight, I think you may win by the odd goal.
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Post by 1gwaunview on Aug 28, 2018 18:53:38 GMT
I hope Bummett isn't selected. He had his chance and sulked. Prefer to see one of the U21s in the squad for the experience. Bummett Decided to change his surname for effect  . |
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