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Post by welshrover on Apr 24, 2023 14:45:37 GMT
In the Championship team of the year I know he won't, but there's certainly an argument for starting Lockyer over Rodon in the next round of games, when's the last time Rodon had a run of games? I think Connor made it as well. |
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Post by evans1282 on Apr 24, 2023 19:27:35 GMT
In the Championship team of the year I know he won't, but there's certainly an argument for starting Lockyer over Rodon in the next round of games, when's the last time Rodon had a run of games? I think Connor made it as well. It's all about opinions,for me if we are playing a 4,Mepham has forced himself in as no1,Rodon was fixed at 2 for me with Lockyer at 3( to simplify I'm counting Davies as a Lb or Lcb) Cabango 4 for me ,it is a personal bias on him for me of all of the named players he makes me most nervous.What I would say is Mepham and Lockyer, for me are playin at or close to their personal ceiling whereas Rodon and Cabango have more room to improve.What I alluded to earlier is the gap between Rodon and Lockyer has narrowed in the last 12 months, but whether it's Lockyer improving or Rodons form dipping is the question ,fir me it's the latter. |
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Post by underwood on Apr 24, 2023 20:22:11 GMT
Well he knows where the goal is anyway, our centre halves don’t contribute enough goals, but to be fair to Mepham, he did set up Broadhead in Croatia.
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Post by jimexotic on Apr 24, 2023 21:13:14 GMT
I'll say this, did Rodon ever have a season at Swansea like the one Lockyer is having at Luton, following on from a very good season last year? The answer is no. 30 is a good age for a centre half, there's 3-4 years of international football still to come at that age. Joe Rodon is getting picked on half a season at Swansea, 2019/20, a few games the following season and then largely sitting on the bench, if that, or playing on and off on France this season, with a number of decent displays for Wales in the past counting for him too. Don't get me wrong, I like Rodon a lot, I hope he improves and becomes the commanding centre back we all hope he'll be but right now it all seems a little harsh on Lockyer.
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Post by fiveattheback on Apr 25, 2023 9:48:29 GMT
I think Connor made it as well. It's all about opinions,for me if we are playing a 4,Mepham has forced himself in as no1,Rodon was fixed at 2 for me with Lockyer at 3( to simplify I'm counting Davies as a Lb or Lcb) Cabango 4 for me ,it is a personal bias on him for me of all of the named players he makes me most nervous.What I would say is Mepham and Lockyer, for me are playin at or close to their personal ceiling whereas Rodon and Cabango have more room to improve.What I alluded to earlier is the gap between Rodon and Lockyer has narrowed in the last 12 months, but whether it's Lockyer improving or Rodons form dipping is the question ,fir me it's the latter. What in their respective careers suggests Rodon has a higher ceiling than Mepham? They're the same age and the only one that's ever been a top flight regular is Mepham. For me Mepham is the better player and has been for a while It's likely both Lockyer improving and Rodon stagnating, Lockyer's putting in better performances than ever before and actually plays. Lockyer has played as many league games this season as Rodon has in the past 3 put together. You only improve by playing, Rodon is 25 and hasn't even played 100 league games! |
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Post by iot on Apr 25, 2023 10:23:28 GMT
It's all about opinions,for me if we are playing a 4,Mepham has forced himself in as no1,Rodon was fixed at 2 for me with Lockyer at 3( to simplify I'm counting Davies as a Lb or Lcb) Cabango 4 for me ,it is a personal bias on him for me of all of the named players he makes me most nervous.What I would say is Mepham and Lockyer, for me are playin at or close to their personal ceiling whereas Rodon and Cabango have more room to improve.What I alluded to earlier is the gap between Rodon and Lockyer has narrowed in the last 12 months, but whether it's Lockyer improving or Rodons form dipping is the question ,fir me it's the latter. What in their respective careers suggests Rodon has a higher ceiling than Mepham? They're the same age and the only one that's ever been a top flight regular is Mepham. For me Mepham is the better player and has been for a while It's likely both Lockyer improving and Rodon stagnating, Lockyer's putting in better performances than ever before and actually plays. Lockyer has played as many league games this season as Rodon has in the past 3 put together. You only improve by playing, Rodon is 25 and hasn't even played 100 league games! I'm a big fan of Mepham, and pleased to see Lockyer's been playing so well which provides another good option for us. However, Rodon certainly had the highest potential of all three imo. When he first broke into the Swansea side, he basically had a bit of everything. He would win 90% of aerial duels, slightly suspect positional at times maybe but generally a very good defender, and on top of that he was actually quite good and progressive on the ball. He showed the same form for Wales in his early appearances and at 22, I thought the sky was the limit and wasn't surprised when he got his Spurs move. But he hasn't really been the same player since that move. He's looked nervy and, frankly, poor on the ball way too often. He's been bullied at times, and just brainless at other times. He almost certainly won't be as good as he once promised to be, but I think he can still get back to a very good level of performances which is probably higher than our other CBs are capable of. The next move is absolutely vital for him. |
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Post by talyfan on Apr 25, 2023 11:08:47 GMT
Rodon definitely had initial promise compared to other options. Stalled quite a bit now though since he's barely played.
Really don't know what's next for him. He's that type of player that next season after a new manager and pre-season at Spurs he could get into the team or goes the opposite way and playing somewhere in the Championship.
Don't think he'll reach his full potential. Would like to see Lockyer and Mepham given a run out at some point.
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Post by fiveattheback on Apr 25, 2023 11:43:01 GMT
What in their respective careers suggests Rodon has a higher ceiling than Mepham? They're the same age and the only one that's ever been a top flight regular is Mepham. For me Mepham is the better player and has been for a while It's likely both Lockyer improving and Rodon stagnating, Lockyer's putting in better performances than ever before and actually plays. Lockyer has played as many league games this season as Rodon has in the past 3 put together. You only improve by playing, Rodon is 25 and hasn't even played 100 league games! I'm a big fan of Mepham, and pleased to see Lockyer's been playing so well which provides another good option for us. However, Rodon certainly had the highest potential of all three imo. When he first broke into the Swansea side, he basically had a bit of everything. He would win 90% of aerial duels, slightly suspect positional at times maybe but generally a very good defender, and on top of that he was actually quite good and progressive on the ball. He showed the same form for Wales in his early appearances and at 22, I thought the sky was the limit and wasn't surprised when he got his Spurs move. But he hasn't really been the same player since that move. He's looked nervy and, frankly, poor on the ball way too often. He's been bullied at times, and just brainless at other times. He almost certainly won't be as good as he once promised to be, but I think he can still get back to a very good level of performances which is probably higher than our other CBs are capable of. The next move is absolutely vital for him. Mepham was also playing well in the Championship at a young age, he made a few high profile cock ups early in his career that I think has coloured Welsh fans' perception of him. He's been pretty solid and reliable for us for a while now. I know I'm in the minority on this one, but I've considered Mepham to be the better player for a while I'll be honest, I've never been a huge fan of Rodon. I don't really get the hype, I think his positioning is poor, he's not as good on the ball as he thinks he is and is prone to rash decision making. He puts in big blocks & tackles which fans love to see but a good defender shouldn't have to put in last ditch tackles. I think Rodon really benefits from his size, he's massive, especially when compared with Mepham & Lockyer, though I don't think he really uses his size as well as he could. That Croatia goal for instance was baffling from him as a 6ft 4 centre back. |
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Post by welwyn on Apr 25, 2023 12:17:06 GMT
I'd worry about Locks with VAR. As good as he is, he very much pushes everything within an inch of his limits. Even last night, it looked like he swung a punch at someone in an altercation and did a heck of a lot of wind-up merchant work off the ball. Plus the way he appeared to clatter his marker as the corner came in that he scored from would definitely have been picked up on VAR.
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Post by evans1282 on Apr 25, 2023 14:01:48 GMT
It's all about opinions,for me if we are playing a 4,Mepham has forced himself in as no1,Rodon was fixed at 2 for me with Lockyer at 3( to simplify I'm counting Davies as a Lb or Lcb) Cabango 4 for me ,it is a personal bias on him for me of all of the named players he makes me most nervous.What I would say is Mepham and Lockyer, for me are playin at or close to their personal ceiling whereas Rodon and Cabango have more room to improve.What I alluded to earlier is the gap between Rodon and Lockyer has narrowed in the last 12 months, but whether it's Lockyer improving or Rodons form dipping is the question ,fir me it's the latter. What in their respective careers suggests Rodon has a higher ceiling than Mepham? They're the same age and the only one that's ever been a top flight regular is Mepham. For me Mepham is the better player and has been for a while It's likely both Lockyer improving and Rodon stagnating, Lockyer's putting in better performances than ever before and actually plays. Lockyer has played as many league games this season as Rodon has in the past 3 put together. You only improve by playing, Rodon is 25 and hasn't even played 100 league games! Sorry if it was badly worded,I don't think he necessarily has a higher ceiling ,just believe he has more to give ,and ( it's only my fans opinion)I think Mepham is close to his ceiling.Big fan of Mepham btw and do rate Lockyer. |
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Post by paj on Apr 25, 2023 14:02:40 GMT
Very impressed with the way Lockyer has come back. Not so long age he was dropped from the Welsh squad and couldn’t get into the Luton team. Was clearly hurting and had huge mental strength to dig in and come back.
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Post by iot on Apr 25, 2023 15:05:31 GMT
Very impressed with the way Lockyer has come back. Not so long age he was dropped from the Welsh squad and couldn’t get into the Luton team. Was clearly hurting and had huge mental strength to dig in and come back. Yeah, important context for those predictably trying to use this as ammunition against Page. Lockyer's current form and status as one of the league's best defenders is a very recent development - he was in and out of the Luton side just last year (start of this season even?). Personally, I thought we had a good defensive unit in the last window so I wouldn't mix it up for the next one, but Lockyer would be next in line for me should Mepham or Rodon get injured. |
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Post by surge on Apr 25, 2023 16:03:30 GMT
Well done Tom Lockyer for getting some recognition and after being benched for first four games of the season too.
As a Cardiff City fan, how maddening it is to see Luton having third best defensive record so far with 3 ex City players taking up defensive positions.
As a Wales fan, any reports on how Joe Taylor did in his 15 minutes spell?
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Post by jimexotic on Apr 25, 2023 17:08:01 GMT
Rodon burst on the scene at Swansea in a team that was playing nice football. Tall, blonde, tattooed and looking like a centre back that can play a bit, he packed a lot of promise. That changed with a move to Spurs, he's got rusty, not pushed on, not learned a lot of the little things you pick up early in your career, do's and don'ts that you iron out with experience, it's why next season is massive for him, he has to get out and if be drop down a division and play week in week out and use that as a platform to push on. Rodon has never played regularly in one full season, not one, he's 25 and he's started 76 league games in total. The more I think about it the more Lockyer can feel hard done by, I know it's not boxing but pound for pound Lockyer is ahead of Rodon for me. I will say that the latter has more International experience and has played well for us on a number of occasions, I don't want to come across like I'm rubbishing or dismissing Rodon, he just needs to make some sensible moves in the coming months rather than waste that initial promise completely.
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Post by welwyn on Apr 26, 2023 14:08:25 GMT
Well done Tom Lockyer for getting some recognition and after being benched for first four games of the season too. As a Cardiff City fan, how maddening it is to see Luton having third best defensive record so far with 3 ex City players taking up defensive positions. As a Wales fan, any reports on how Joe Taylor did in his 15 minutes spell? Seen both that and the 25 mins he got v Coventry just after we signed him. He chases things down and is lightning quick (albeit nowhere near James/Rabbi pace) and was obviously bought as a young, cheap project who could potentially be a replacement for Harry Cornick, who we we kind of forced to sell as he was out of contract in the summer and without him there is a lack of real pace in our forward line. On that note Locks is almost certainly out of contract in the summer, so the ONLY way he will be at Luton come August is if we go up. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Apr 28, 2023 23:40:01 GMT
Well done Tom Lockyer for getting some recognition and after being benched for first four games of the season too. As a Cardiff City fan, how maddening it is to see Luton having third best defensive record so far with 3 ex City players taking up defensive positions. As a Wales fan, any reports on how Joe Taylor did in his 15 minutes spell? Seen both that and the 25 mins he got v Coventry just after we signed him. He chases things down and is lightning quick (albeit nowhere near James/Rabbi pace) and was obviously bought as a young, cheap project who could potentially be a replacement for Harry Cornick, who we we kind of forced to sell as he was out of contract in the summer and without him there is a lack of real pace in our forward line. On that note Locks is almost certainly out of contract in the summer, so the ONLY way he will be at Luton come August is if we go up. What sort of club do you see coming in for him if he were to leave? For me he's jumped ahead of Rodon in the pecking order now |
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Post by welwyn on Apr 29, 2023 7:41:26 GMT
Seen both that and the 25 mins he got v Coventry just after we signed him. He chases things down and is lightning quick (albeit nowhere near James/Rabbi pace) and was obviously bought as a young, cheap project who could potentially be a replacement for Harry Cornick, who we we kind of forced to sell as he was out of contract in the summer and without him there is a lack of real pace in our forward line. On that note Locks is almost certainly out of contract in the summer, so the ONLY way he will be at Luton come August is if we go up. What sort of club do you see coming in for him if he were to leave? For me he's jumped ahead of Rodon in the pecking order now A club at a similar level to ourselves but with a lot more financial clout. Which is... every club in the top half of the Championship!! |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Apr 29, 2023 9:56:11 GMT
What sort of club do you see coming in for him if he were to leave? For me he's jumped ahead of Rodon in the pecking order now A club at a similar level to ourselves but with a lot more financial clout. Which is... every club in the top half of the Championship!! I've always wondered whether a team that wants to play out from the back would go for him. The defensive side of his game I have no questions about, but always wondered whether he is good enough on the ball for a properly progressive side. How do you evaluate his ability on the ball? Has he improved? |
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Post by welwyn on Apr 29, 2023 10:37:26 GMT
A club at a similar level to ourselves but with a lot more financial clout. Which is... every club in the top half of the Championship!! I've always wondered whether a team that wants to play out from the back would go for him. The defensive side of his game I have no questions about, but always wondered whether he is good enough on the ball for a properly progressive side. How do you evaluate his ability on the ball? Has he improved? Definitely improved but he isn't that great. Not sure Russell Martin would want him but I can't see many sides in the Championship who would not be willing to outbid us by at least double, even if it wasn't as a guaranteed starter. |
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Post by majorraglan on Apr 30, 2023 6:31:28 GMT
I've always wondered whether a team that wants to play out from the back would go for him. The defensive side of his game I have no questions about, but always wondered whether he is good enough on the ball for a properly progressive side. How do you evaluate his ability on the ball? Has he improved? Definitely improved but he isn't that great. Not sure Russell Martin would want him but I can't see many sides in the Championship who would not be willing to outbid us by at least double, even if it wasn't as a guaranteed starter. According to various on line sites which we can take with a pinch of salt he’s on about £8k per week and is out of contract in June. If Luton don’t go up, given he’s been selected by his fellow pros for the EFL team of the season I reckon he’ll have a few offers in the table - they may not be PL teams but I reckon certainly top end of the Championship. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Apr 30, 2023 10:37:59 GMT
I've always wondered whether a team that wants to play out from the back would go for him. The defensive side of his game I have no questions about, but always wondered whether he is good enough on the ball for a properly progressive side. How do you evaluate his ability on the ball? Has he improved? Definitely improved but he isn't that great. Not sure Russell Martin would want him but I can't see many sides in the Championship who would not be willing to outbid us by at least double, even if it wasn't as a guaranteed starter. Personally hope that Luton go up anyway, best case scenario for Lockyer and the league as a whole (and Wales) |
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Post by welwyn on Apr 30, 2023 15:11:17 GMT
Definitely improved but he isn't that great. Not sure Russell Martin would want him but I can't see many sides in the Championship who would not be willing to outbid us by at least double, even if it wasn't as a guaranteed starter. According to various on line sites which we can take with a pinch of salt he’s on about £8k per week and is out of contract in June. If Luton don’t go up, given he’s been selected by his fellow pros for the EFL team of the season I reckon he’ll have a few offers in the table - they may not be PL teams but I reckon certainly top end of the Championship. Seems about right. It was the world's worst kept secret that in our first couple of years in the Championship, we had a strict basic wage cap of £6k a week so as a slightly later addition, about £8k makes sense. |
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Post by eppingblue1 on May 1, 2023 17:47:08 GMT
Scores again. Really on form at the moment, at both ends.
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Post by marsvolta on May 16, 2023 19:46:07 GMT
Just scored to put Luton 2-0 up in the play offs.
Luton and Lockyer himself have played very well this half to be fair.
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Post by allezlesrouges on May 16, 2023 20:26:20 GMT
He's having the season of his life, and is 30 mins and 1 game away from the Premier League
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Post by allezlesrouges on May 16, 2023 20:56:08 GMT
Into the playoff final!
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Post by CrackityJones on May 16, 2023 21:23:08 GMT
Has to start ahead of Rodon in June. He’s earned it
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Post by hooky on May 16, 2023 21:30:09 GMT
Good on him.
I have always seem him as nowhere near Premier or international class but I hope he makes me look a fool in the latter stages of his career
He may be short for a centre half but the hunger and bravery he showed to throw his head at that is priceless. What a top man!
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Post by morg on May 16, 2023 21:33:02 GMT
Has to start ahead of Rodon in June. He’s earned it Still think Rodon will get the nod from Page especially after the last two results. Surely must start soon though. We could have a premier League captain on our hands soon. |
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Post by marsvolta on May 16, 2023 21:34:15 GMT
I know I shouldn’t look at Facebook comments on Wales but someone has just said that Lockyer should be picked instead of Moore haha.
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