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Post by playslikeiniesta on Sept 7, 2021 16:55:56 GMT
Kieffer Moore has had Covid and recovered (back in July I think). If anybody has strong immunity at this point it’s people like him. The knee jerking and assumptions on here are pretty disgusting. It’s not his fault that we have bizarre and inconsistent rules to observe. Completely agree. Surprised to see so many on here getting on his back because he’s unvaccinated. |
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Post by iot on Sept 7, 2021 20:03:23 GMT
Kieffer Moore has had Covid and recovered (back in July I think). If anybody has strong immunity at this point it’s people like him. The knee jerking and assumptions on here are pretty disgusting. It’s not his fault that we have bizarre and inconsistent rules to observe. Completely agree. Surprised to see so many on here getting on his back because he’s unvaccinated. Really? About 75% of the entire population have now been vaccinated (not just adults) and yet Moore decides not to even though he know what that means for the teams he plays for. These are Mick McCarthy's comments on the subject: "Firstly, you can't make anybody take a jab," said McCarthy. "You can urge them to do it bearing in mind that if they do get it and they have to isolate then they'll miss games, they'll be out of the team, it'll cost them money it terms of appearance money, maybe not playing and it also affects their teammates as well, it affects everybody, everything about the club. "I'd like to think that everybody would want to have to have it but not everybody does." "Some have said yes and some have said no, it's their choice and so it should be with everybody's health." www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58279616That to me suggests he's chosen not to take it, and unless there's a good reason, I think that's pretty selfish. As I say, he can expect to miss a good few more games this season with the current level of cases, it's almost impossible to avoid being a close contact. |
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Post by jackanapes on Sept 7, 2021 20:22:41 GMT
Completely agree. Surprised to see so many on here getting on his back because he’s unvaccinated. Really? About 75% of the entire population have now been vaccinated (not just adults) and yet Moore decides not to even though he know what that means for the teams he plays for. These are Mick McCarthy's comments on the subject: "Firstly, you can't make anybody take a jab," said McCarthy. "You can urge them to do it bearing in mind that if they do get it and they have to isolate then they'll miss games, they'll be out of the team, it'll cost them money it terms of appearance money, maybe not playing and it also affects their teammates as well, it affects everybody, everything about the club. "I'd like to think that everybody would want to have to have it but not everybody does." "Some have said yes and some have said no, it's their choice and so it should be with everybody's health." www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58279616That to me suggests he's chosen not to take it, and unless there's a good reason, I think that's pretty selfish. As I say, he can expect to miss a good few more games this season with the current level of cases, it's almost impossible to avoid being a close contact. He’s had the illness therefore his immunity will be superior than the level provided by the jab. Meanwhile the vaccine doesn’t entirely prevent infection (and onward transmission) it merely reduces severity. I can’t for the life of me see how anyone can use this as a stick to beat Moore. If anything’s wrong it’s nonsensical regulations. |
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Post by iot on Sept 7, 2021 20:34:53 GMT
Really? About 75% of the entire population have now been vaccinated (not just adults) and yet Moore decides not to even though he know what that means for the teams he plays for. These are Mick McCarthy's comments on the subject: "Firstly, you can't make anybody take a jab," said McCarthy. "You can urge them to do it bearing in mind that if they do get it and they have to isolate then they'll miss games, they'll be out of the team, it'll cost them money it terms of appearance money, maybe not playing and it also affects their teammates as well, it affects everybody, everything about the club. "I'd like to think that everybody would want to have to have it but not everybody does." "Some have said yes and some have said no, it's their choice and so it should be with everybody's health." www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58279616That to me suggests he's chosen not to take it, and unless there's a good reason, I think that's pretty selfish. As I say, he can expect to miss a good few more games this season with the current level of cases, it's almost impossible to avoid being a close contact. He’s had the illness therefore his immunity will be superior than the level provided by the jab. Meanwhile the vaccine doesn’t entirely prevent infection (and onward transmission) it merely reduces severity. I can’t for the life of me see how anyone can use this as a stick to beat Moore. If anything’s wrong it’s nonsensical regulations. Because there's no reason not to! Yes, I agree it's stupid that the regulations prevent him from playing even though he's only recently recovered, but the fact is they do, which means he won't be able to play everytime he comes in close contact with an infected person. So with that decision, he's letting the team down and will more than likely let Cardiff down and potentially us again later in the season. Why would he make that decision when 90% of adults have taken the vaccine? It's completely unnecessary. |
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Post by playslikeiniesta on Sept 7, 2021 21:32:13 GMT
He’s had the illness therefore his immunity will be superior than the level provided by the jab. Meanwhile the vaccine doesn’t entirely prevent infection (and onward transmission) it merely reduces severity. I can’t for the life of me see how anyone can use this as a stick to beat Moore. If anything’s wrong it’s nonsensical regulations. Because there's no reason not to! Yes, I agree it's stupid that the regulations prevent him from playing even though he's only recently recovered, but the fact is they do, which means he won't be able to play everytime he comes in close contact with an infected person. So with that decision, he's letting the team down and will more than likely let Cardiff down and potentially us again later in the season. Why would he make that decision when 90% of adults have taken the vaccine? It's completely unnecessary. Maybe because he’s an elite athlete that’s already had Covid? He’s more at risk of side effects from the vaccine than getting Covid again or suffering any ill effects from it. If he gets the vaccine he can still transmit Covid to others. Also 1/3 of under 40’s in the UK haven’t had the vaccine, a category which the majority of elite sportsman fall under. Anyway don’t want to get in to a debate on here about this topic but I don’t agree with criticising any of our players regarding this matter. |
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Post by jimexotic on Sept 7, 2021 21:41:32 GMT
I'm gutted we're without him but at least it's not for the Belgium and Czechoslovakia games. I rate Moore very highly, he's a real handful and I can't imagine he's an enjoyable 90 minutes for any opposing defender.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Sept 7, 2021 21:42:14 GMT
I'm gutted we're without him but at least it's not for the Belgium and Czechoslovakia games. I rate Moore very highly, he's a real handful and I can't imagine he's an enjoyable 90 minutes for any opposing defender. Czechoslovakia? |
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Post by jimexotic on Sept 7, 2021 21:55:07 GMT
I'm gutted we're without him but at least it's not for the Belgium and Czechoslovakia games. I rate Moore very highly, he's a real handful and I can't imagine he's an enjoyable 90 minutes for any opposing defender. Czechoslovakia? Czech Republic, thankfully that's not until next month |
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Post by njdragon on Sept 7, 2021 22:15:52 GMT
Really? About 75% of the entire population have now been vaccinated (not just adults) and yet Moore decides not to even though he know what that means for the teams he plays for. These are Mick McCarthy's comments on the subject: "Firstly, you can't make anybody take a jab," said McCarthy. "You can urge them to do it bearing in mind that if they do get it and they have to isolate then they'll miss games, they'll be out of the team, it'll cost them money it terms of appearance money, maybe not playing and it also affects their teammates as well, it affects everybody, everything about the club. "I'd like to think that everybody would want to have to have it but not everybody does." "Some have said yes and some have said no, it's their choice and so it should be with everybody's health." www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58279616That to me suggests he's chosen not to take it, and unless there's a good reason, I think that's pretty selfish. As I say, he can expect to miss a good few more games this season with the current level of cases, it's almost impossible to avoid being a close contact. He’s had the illness therefore his immunity will be superior than the level provided by the jab. Meanwhile the vaccine doesn’t entirely prevent infection (and onward transmission) it merely reduces severity. I can’t for the life of me see how anyone can use this as a stick to beat Moore. If anything’s wrong it’s nonsensical regulations. Well if he had the jab then that’s a treble shot of anti bodies to fight the virus plus yes it doesn’t seem to entirely prevent further infection but it does to a degree. There’s no reason not to get it. |
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Post by njdragon on Sept 7, 2021 22:16:24 GMT
Because there's no reason not to! Yes, I agree it's stupid that the regulations prevent him from playing even though he's only recently recovered, but the fact is they do, which means he won't be able to play everytime he comes in close contact with an infected person. So with that decision, he's letting the team down and will more than likely let Cardiff down and potentially us again later in the season. Why would he make that decision when 90% of adults have taken the vaccine? It's completely unnecessary. Maybe because he’s an elite athlete that’s already had Covid? He’s more at risk of side effects from the vaccine than getting Covid again or suffering any ill effects from it. If he gets the vaccine he can still transmit Covid to others. Also 1/3 of under 40’s in the UK haven’t had the vaccine, a category which the majority of elite sportsman fall under. Anyway don’t want to get in to a debate on here about this topic but I don’t agree with criticising any of our players regarding this matter. He’s not more at risk of side effects |
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Post by welshiron on Sept 8, 2021 9:20:24 GMT
My guess he hasn't had the jab and that is why he has missed these 2 games, almost proved very costly for the whole team on Sunday,
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Post by jimexotic on Sept 8, 2021 10:06:03 GMT
We need to find some suitable back up for Kieffer, its international football and we can't be delving into League One to look at strikers that aren't even prolific in that division.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Sept 8, 2021 10:35:36 GMT
We need to find some suitable back up for Kieffer, its international football and we can't be delving into League One to look at strikers that aren't even prolific in that division. If we start thinking we're too good for certain leagues we will start to struggle. There's more to football than the level someone plays at There's Premier League footballers, and then there's footballers who play in the Premier League Re: the striker situation. Our choices are Harris, Jephcott, Vokes, Bradshaw, Doidge, Norton, HRK Most of them are cemented as regulars above League One level. So to say "we need back up" but "we can't pick anyone at League One level" is antithetical |
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Post by jimexotic on Sept 8, 2021 10:42:56 GMT
We need to find some suitable back up for Kieffer, its international football and we can't be delving into League One to look at strikers that aren't even prolific in that division. If we start thinking we're too good for certain leagues we will start to struggle. There's more to football than the level someone plays at There's Premier League footballers, and then there's footballers who play in the Premier League Re: the striker situation. Our choices are Harris, Jephcott, Vokes, Bradshaw, Doidge, Norton, HRK Most of them are cemented as regulars above League One level. So to say "we need back up" but "we can't pick anyone at League One level" is antithetical Once the likes of Bale and Ramsey are gone I think it's important that we have goalscorers who can come in who can do it against half decent opposition rather than once in every three or four games against the likes of Cambridge United. I get your point completely but I'm looking at striker options and only Moore is a goalscorer, hopefully one or two of the younger lads can come through. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Sept 8, 2021 10:46:13 GMT
If we start thinking we're too good for certain leagues we will start to struggle. There's more to football than the level someone plays at There's Premier League footballers, and then there's footballers who play in the Premier League Re: the striker situation. Our choices are Harris, Jephcott, Vokes, Bradshaw, Doidge, Norton, HRK Most of them are cemented as regulars above League One level. So to say "we need back up" but "we can't pick anyone at League One level" is antithetical Once the likes of Bale and Ramsey are gone I think it's important that we have goalscorers who can come in who can do it against half decent opposition rather than once in every three or four games against the likes of Cambridge United. I get your point completely but I'm looking at striker options and only Moore is a goalscorer, hopefully one or two of the younger lads can come through. My feeling is that Jephcott will eventually come through as a decent option against low block teams. I think Norton will be one of the better options for us, Harris could end up being our HRK |
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Post by saturn9 on Sept 8, 2021 10:50:02 GMT
What's the hrk situation these days? Retirement/looking for a club overseas? Think the Turkish loan window closes this week.
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Post by welshiron on Sept 8, 2021 21:12:06 GMT
Thanks kieffer
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Post by wirralwelsh on Sept 8, 2021 22:52:40 GMT
Maybe because he’s an elite athlete that’s already had Covid? He’s more at risk of side effects from the vaccine than getting Covid again or suffering any ill effects from it. If he gets the vaccine he can still transmit Covid to others. Also 1/3 of under 40’s in the UK haven’t had the vaccine, a category which the majority of elite sportsman fall under. Anyway don’t want to get in to a debate on here about this topic but I don’t agree with criticising any of our players regarding this matter. There's practically no danger whatsoever of serious side effects from the Pfizer vaccine impairing him and no rational reason not to be getting it, when you consider how it jeopardising his career and his involvement for club and country its indefensible not to be getting jabbed up,literally no sane reason for it regardless of whether he or others think he has sufficient immunity. People shouldn't be so precious about any criticism their favourite players when their actions are undermining our hopes of World Cup qualification. I don't get these anti-vax fanatics at all, its very Texan behaviour. |
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Post by jbt95 on Sept 8, 2021 23:39:02 GMT
What's the hrk situation these days? Retirement/looking for a club overseas? Think the Turkish loan window closes this week. He's a free agent. |
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Post by jbt95 on Sept 8, 2021 23:40:39 GMT
Because there's no reason not to! Yes, I agree it's stupid that the regulations prevent him from playing even though he's only recently recovered, but the fact is they do, which means he won't be able to play everytime he comes in close contact with an infected person. So with that decision, he's letting the team down and will more than likely let Cardiff down and potentially us again later in the season. Why would he make that decision when 90% of adults have taken the vaccine? It's completely unnecessary. Maybe because he’s an elite athlete that’s already had Covid? He’s more at risk of side effects from the vaccine than getting Covid again or suffering any ill effects from it. If he gets the vaccine he can still transmit Covid to others. Also 1/3 of under 40’s in the UK haven’t had the vaccine, a category which the majority of elite sportsman fall under. Anyway don’t want to get in to a debate on here about this topic but I don’t agree with criticising any of our players regarding this matter. He wasn't wearing a mask at the Euros, when travelling around, I noticed - maybe he has some medical condition they don't advise having the jabs with? |
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Post by fiveattheback on Sept 8, 2021 23:42:54 GMT
It's also possible that he's not been able to. Went to the Euros in the summer, went on holiday, got COVID. It's a fairly small window to get his first jab, never mind both
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Post by insertname on Sept 8, 2021 23:44:06 GMT
Maybe because he’s an elite athlete that’s already had Covid? He’s more at risk of side effects from the vaccine than getting Covid again or suffering any ill effects from it. If he gets the vaccine he can still transmit Covid to others. Also 1/3 of under 40’s in the UK haven’t had the vaccine, a category which the majority of elite sportsman fall under. Anyway don’t want to get in to a debate on here about this topic but I don’t agree with criticising any of our players regarding this matter. There's practically no danger whatsoever of serious side effects from the Pfizer vaccine impairing him and no rational reason not to be getting it, when you consider how it jeopardising his career and his involvement for club and country its indefensible not to be getting jabbed up,literally no sane reason for it regardless of whether he or others think he has sufficient immunity. People shouldn't be so precious about any criticism their favourite players when their actions are undermining our hopes of World Cup qualification. I don't get these anti-vax fanatics at all, its very Texan behaviour. Kieffer’s Texan of the week, for sure 😉 |
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Post by dai on Sept 8, 2021 23:45:31 GMT
If we're genuinely blaming the fact Kieffer Moore wasn't available for not beating Estonia then we're in much more trouble than I thought. I would have bet on our u21's beating Estonia tonight.
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Post by iot on Sept 10, 2021 11:39:14 GMT
Dylan Ebenezer (S4C's Sgorio presenter) here having a cryptic go at Moore for not getting vaccinated
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Post by dai on Sept 10, 2021 12:33:32 GMT
Oh deary me, you don't see pundits or presenters having pops.
Is it just me or is there just a slightly uneasy feeling around Welsh football at the moment?
- The whole Giggs thing
- Ramsey constantly missing
- Players missing more often than before
- Pundits and the alike getting a bit more vocal about their concerns
- Players picking up a lot more red and yellow cards than usual
- Page getting yellow carded in the match. Coleman was quite a vocal person, but never troubled the ref like that.
- The booing at the end of the match - I can't recall the last time the team was booed.
Together Stronger seems like a distant memory right now.
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Post by jimexotic on Sept 12, 2021 19:41:51 GMT
Great cameo from the big man today, really changed the game, unlucky not to score and played a big part in both of the goals.
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Post by jimexotic on Sept 19, 2021 19:03:09 GMT
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Post by saturn9 on Sept 19, 2021 19:16:22 GMT
More than likely, a little pissed off at not getting his Pl move in the transfer window. Or sick of the sight of MM, and his prehestoric brand of football.
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Post by jimexotic on Sept 19, 2021 19:18:10 GMT
More than likely, a little pissed off at not getting his Pl move in the transfer window. Or sick of the sight of MM, and his prehestoric brand of football. For a brief period I thought that McCarthy, his style, Kieffer and what Cardiff have might be a decent match up, it's not going to plan of late though. |
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Post by dai on Oct 10, 2021 16:18:04 GMT
Watched the game back last night. Still can't get over the decisions that went against him in the air, just insane. He may as well not even attempt to head the ball.
But........is this something he needs to be more clever at? Instead of jumping for the ball each time, back into your man and try and bring the ball down with your chest or something. Quite often a defender is penalised for trying to jump over an attacker who's trying to bring down the ball.
I don't know. He's treated VERY harshly by refs for purely being taller, but can he do something different to correct those constant decisions?
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