Kieffer Moore

[jimexotic]

1 in every 3 for us now and if the above post is correct Dan James has now assisted 50% of those 8 goals. He's so much more than goals though, he gave Belgium a number of scares tonight and really put in a shift. Big thanks to Kieffer's Nan.

[morg]

Nov 16, 2021 22:23:54 GMT jimexotic said:

1 in every 3 for us now and if the above post is correct Dan James has now assisted 50% of those 8 goals. He's so much more than goals though, he gave Belgium a number of scares tonight and really put in a shift. Big thanks to Kieffer's Nan.

Seconded. Problem is that he only plays 2 in 3! Refs seem to pencil him in for a booking before the game starts. Need to try and get an alternative striker from somewhere. We seem to have far more structure with a big target man.

[aberbeeg]

Absolute giant for us tonight. Worked his nuts off for us.

[jimexotic]

Nov 16, 2021 22:27:44 GMT morg said:

Nov 16, 2021 22:23:54 GMT jimexotic said:

1 in every 3 for us now and if the above post is correct Dan James has now assisted 50% of those 8 goals. He's so much more than goals though, he gave Belgium a number of scares tonight and really put in a shift. Big thanks to Kieffer's Nan.

Seconded. Problem is that he only plays 2 in 3! Refs seem to pencil him in for a booking before the game starts. Need to try and get an alternative striker from somewhere. We seem to have far more structure with a big target man.

Yeah that booking was ridiculous, barely did anything. If you look at all of his yellow cards for us most of them shouldn't have been given. It must be so frustrating for him, he's just very big, awkward and strong and defenders hate it. I hope Boyata has a big lump on his head tonight!

[welshrover]

Nov 16, 2021 22:29:04 GMT aberbeeg said:

Absolute giant for us tonight. Worked his nuts off for us.

I'm constantly amazed at the amount of head injuries this guy can stand, from memory he has previously had a fractured skull.

Sincerely hope this doesn't come back to bite him in later life.

[cadno]

We need to find other options up top but well done Mr Moore, good shift

[morg]

Nov 16, 2021 22:31:03 GMT welshrover said:

Nov 16, 2021 22:29:04 GMT aberbeeg said:

Absolute giant for us tonight. Worked his nuts off for us.

I'm constantly amazed at the amount of head injuries this guy can stand, from memory he has previously had a fractured skull.

Sincerely hope this doesn't come back to bite him in later life.

Football is a bit behind rugby in its treatment of head injuries. Was surprised that Neco played on.

[jimexotic]

Nov 16, 2021 22:32:50 GMT cadno said:

We need to find other options up top but well done Mr Moore, good shift

We need another strong striker to come through, it's essential in the modern game if you haven't got eleven World Class players, look at how crucial Mitrovic is for Serbia.

[conwy10]

He's done brilliant for us. I'd love to see him get on the top 10 scorers for us. To be fair he's not far off and wasn't capped until a few years ago. Might not be the most technically gifted but his impact is insane for our standards.

[morg]

Nov 16, 2021 22:30:37 GMT jimexotic said:

Nov 16, 2021 22:27:44 GMT morg said:

Seconded. Problem is that he only plays 2 in 3! Refs seem to pencil him in for a booking before the game starts. Need to try and get an alternative striker from somewhere. We seem to have far more structure with a big target man.

Yeah that booking was ridiculous, barely did anything. If you look at all of his yellow cards for us most of them shouldn't have been given. It must be so frustrating for him, he's just very big, awkward and strong and defenders hate it. I hope Boyata has a big lump on his head tonight!

Think the Boyata one in the first half was border line red.

[jimexotic]

Nov 16, 2021 22:35:32 GMT morg said:

Nov 16, 2021 22:30:37 GMT jimexotic said:

Yeah that booking was ridiculous, barely did anything. If you look at all of his yellow cards for us most of them shouldn't have been given. It must be so frustrating for him, he's just very big, awkward and strong and defenders hate it. I hope Boyata has a big lump on his head tonight!

Think the Boyata one in the first half was border line red.

Knew exactly what he was doing and it looked like he was trying to land on him too

[aberbeeg]

He never takes a step backwards. For any defender that’s hard to deal with. Top performance

[spiritof16]

Where would we be without this man?! 🙌

[quetzal]

Nov 16, 2021 22:32:50 GMT cadno said:

We need to find other options up top but well done Mr Moore, good shift

When fiit lets give the lad from Hibs a chance. Doidge

[insertname]

Man of the match for me. Scored the goal but in a first half where we gave the ball away all over the place he managed to make good use of it, even going on some unlikely dribbles and iirc beating one of their defenders for pace!

If you look at his goals, usually they are crucial to us getting a result. It’s unreal the effect he has had on our fortunes considering the levels he’s played at.

But agree with previous posters, we need a plan B because the yellow cards he keeps picking up are ridiculous. Referees seem to have it in for him as he’s a centre forward. How you can not book Boyata and yet issue a card to Moore is mad, it can only be to benefit of the doubt given to a centre back where a physical striker is seen as having far more dangerous intent.

[fiveattheback]

A magical man made of a magic

That's what his 8th goal for Wales? Incredible

[allezlesrouges]

To be fair our plan B without Moore worked pretty well against Belarus this time. I think in the 3-5-2 Page has really found his settled system where he can use it as a base and yet still tinker depending on the opposition

Against Belarus we played with two attacking midfielders in Wilson & Ramsey, and had two wide(ish) strikers in James and Bale. In those roles we can have players like Brennan/Tyler come in. But Page has also shown how we change it slightly to have Moore down the middle and James as the wide forward. Or to bring Morrell in and make it 2 sitting with just one attacking midfielder in front

It feels like Page is very settled with this formation now at least, we've now done well playing it against Czechs, Belarus and Belgium after the stale draw against Estonia

So yes...we don't have a replacement for Moore, but we replace him by tinkering our system until an adequate back up striker comes through in my opinion. Have attacking wing-backs like Neco & Connor also helps!

[bringbackelmo]

When you compare his record to say...Sam Vokes, it underlines how impressive his contribution has been. Top player for us.

[dai]

Nov 17, 2021 9:22:14 GMT bringbackelmo said:

When you compare his record to say...Sam Vokes, it underlines how impressive his contribution has been. Top player for us.

Only 3 goals off Vokes for Wales now, and 40 less caps! (8 goals in 24) It's a shame he's not a few years younger!

[saturn9]

We need to find another early twenties Kieffer from somewhere. With all the Anglo Saxon incomers into West Wales over the last forty years, there must be someone somewhere surely😉

[walesgolfmadrid]

Wales strikers to have scored this century, by competitive goals scored. Minimum 3 competitive goals.


John Hartson 10 (37)
Kieffer Moore 7 (18)
Craig Bellamy 7 (47)
Rob Earnshaw 5 (29)
Hal Robson-Kanu 5 (34)
Nathan Blake 4 (23)
Sam Vokes 3 (34)

[dai]

Nov 17, 2021 10:23:53 GMT walesgolfmadrid said:

Wales strikers to have scored this century, by competitive goals scored. Minimum 3 competitive goals.


John Hartson 10 (37)
Kieffer Moore 7 (18)
Craig Bellamy 7 (47)
Rob Earnshaw 5 (29)
Hal Robson-Kanu 5 (34)
Nathan Blake 4 (23)
Sam Vokes 3 (34)

Some record that, who could have imagined the impact he'd have had a few years ago.

[walesgolfmadrid]

All time top ten competitive Welsh goalscorers

	Competitive Goals	Competitive Games	Goals per game
1. Gareth Bale	30	77	0.39
2. Ian Rush	18	43	0.42
= Aaron Ramsey	18	53	0.34
4. Dean Saunders	15	47	0.32
5. Mark Hughes	11	47	0.23
= Ryan Giggs	11	54	0.20
7. Ivor Allchurch	10	18	0.56
= John Hartson	10	37	0.27
9. Kieffer Moore	7	18	0.39
= John Toshack	7	20	0.35
= Leighton James	7	23	0.30
= Craig Bellamy	7	47	0.15
= Gary Speed	7	56	0.13

Kieffer's right up there, on a list made up entirely of Welsh legends, and in terms of goals per game only Ian Rush and Ivor Allchurch are higher on that list. All of Kieffer's competitive goals have been meaningful as well, in campaigns where we've been competing for qualification. You wouldn't bet against him continuing to score goals in qualifying games, he's such a useful asset and so difficult for most of these opposition sides to defend against aerially. 

[erasedcitizen]

Nov 17, 2021 12:01:24 GMT walesgolfmadrid said:

All time top ten competitive Welsh goalscorers

	Competitive Goals	Competitive Games	Goals per game
1. Gareth Bale	30	77	0.39
2. Ian Rush	18	43	0.42
= Aaron Ramsey	18	53	0.34
4. Dean Saunders	15	47	0.32
5. Mark Hughes	11	47	0.23
= Ryan Giggs	11	54	0.20
7. Ivor Allchurch	10	18	0.56
= John Hartson	10	37	0.27
9. Kieffer Moore	7	18	0.39
= John Toshack	7	20	0.35
= Leighton James	7	23	0.30
= Craig Bellamy	7	47	0.15
= Gary Speed	7	56	0.13

Kieffer's right up there, on a list made up entirely of Welsh legends, and in terms of goals per game only Ian Rush and Ivor Allchurch are higher on that list. All of Kieffer's competitive goals have been meaningful as well, in campaigns where we've been competing for qualification. You wouldn't bet against him continuing to score goals in qualifying games, he's such a useful asset and so difficult for most of these opposition sides to defend against aerially. 

Are the Home Championships discounted from this list? I would have expected to see the likes of Trevor Ford and John Charles on it.

[conwy10]

Nov 17, 2021 9:42:06 GMT saturn9 said:

We need to find another early twenties Kieffer from somewhere. With all the Anglo Saxon incomers into West Wales over the last forty years, there must be someone somewhere surely😉

Aren't we trying to put Colwill in that role?

[gimli]

Nov 17, 2021 12:28:25 GMT conwy10 said:

Nov 17, 2021 9:42:06 GMT saturn9 said:

We need to find another early twenties Kieffer from somewhere. With all the Anglo Saxon incomers into West Wales over the last forty years, there must be someone somewhere surely😉

Aren't we trying to put Colwill in that role?

That won't work. It's just not his game. Yes he's a big lad but he's much better running at players with the ball at his feet than playing that target man, back-towards-goal role.

Can't speak for what young strikers are coming through elsewhere, but from a Cardiff perspective I'd say one to watch out for is James Crole. Big 17 year old who plays more like a target man, strong and good with his head, who's been banging them in for the U19s and who scored a hattrick for the U23s when he got called up a few weeks ago.

[walesgolfmadrid]

Nov 17, 2021 12:17:22 GMT erasedcitizen said:

Nov 17, 2021 12:01:24 GMT walesgolfmadrid said:

All time top ten competitive Welsh goalscorers

	Competitive Goals	Competitive Games	Goals per game
1. Gareth Bale	30	77	0.39
2. Ian Rush	18	43	0.42
= Aaron Ramsey	18	53	0.34
4. Dean Saunders	15	47	0.32
5. Mark Hughes	11	47	0.23
= Ryan Giggs	11	54	0.20
7. Ivor Allchurch	10	18	0.56
= John Hartson	10	37	0.27
9. Kieffer Moore	7	18	0.39
= John Toshack	7	20	0.35
= Leighton James	7	23	0.30
= Craig Bellamy	7	47	0.15
= Gary Speed	7	56	0.13

Kieffer's right up there, on a list made up entirely of Welsh legends, and in terms of goals per game only Ian Rush and Ivor Allchurch are higher on that list. All of Kieffer's competitive goals have been meaningful as well, in campaigns where we've been competing for qualification. You wouldn't bet against him continuing to score goals in qualifying games, he's such a useful asset and so difficult for most of these opposition sides to defend against aerially. 

Are the Home Championships discounted from this list? I would have expected to see the likes of Trevor Ford and John Charles on it.

Home Championships are discounted. Perhaps they shouldn't be, I'm not sure, but the website I was using regarded them as friendlies.

In World Cup and World Cup qualifying, Trevor Ford failed to score 0 in just 2 appearances and John Charles scored 4 goals in 13 games.

[insertname]

Nov 17, 2021 10:30:50 GMT dai said:

Nov 17, 2021 10:23:53 GMT walesgolfmadrid said:

Wales strikers to have scored this century, by competitive goals scored. Minimum 3 competitive goals.


John Hartson 10 (37)
Kieffer Moore 7 (18)
Craig Bellamy 7 (47)
Rob Earnshaw 5 (29)
Hal Robson-Kanu 5 (34)
Nathan Blake 4 (23)
Sam Vokes 3 (34)

Some record that, who could have imagined the impact he'd have had a few years ago.

For me that serves to highlight how mad it’s been for us to find another Ian Rush. Our main goalscorer in that time is arguably a midfielder (formerly a full back!). Is it really that sodding hard to score at international level?!

Kieffer isn’t really someone I would have had down as an out and out goalscorer so his tally so far is a very good return and it’s also worth noting who his goals have been against and the scores in those games. He’s certainly not the type of striker who has made his name getting the 4th goal against Moldova or San Marino.

[conwy10]

Nov 17, 2021 17:30:46 GMT insertname said:

Nov 17, 2021 10:30:50 GMT dai said:

Some record that, who could have imagined the impact he'd have had a few years ago.

For me that serves to highlight how mad it’s been for us to find another Ian Rush. Our main goalscorer in that time is arguably a midfielder (formerly a full back!). Is it really that sodding hard to score at international level?!

Kieffer isn’t really someone I would have had down as an out and out goalscorer so his tally so far is a very good return and it’s also worth noting who his goals have been against and the scores in those games. He’s certainly not the type of striker who has made his name getting the 4th goal against Moldova or San Marino.

On that list we seem to have covered all.our bases too. A few target men, a quick aggressive player and a finisher in Earnshaw. Crazy how we've failed with strikers.

[jimexotic]

If this generation could just have a Rush, Saunders, Hughes, Bellamy, Hartson, just one of those to go with what we've got, we could mix it up on a higher level if need be. Hopefully someone comes through but I think we've got another 3 years at least with Kieffer, he was late into the pro game and he's going to want it all to go on as long as he can, he clearly loves playing for Wales too.