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Post by manulike on Nov 23, 2019 13:05:53 GMT
Anybody else notice this tournament is vastly more expensive than the 2016 edition? Weren't there tickets for like £30 (not euros, pounds!) in category 4 for the group matches? I am sure I paid approx £82 for cat 2 tickets. Cat 2 tickets this time are 125 EUR (apart from in Baku, Romania and Hungary). If we play in Baku I'm going for cat 1 tickets (125 EUR). Not going to travel all that way for a sh1te view. pretty sure EURO 2016 prices up to last 16 were
€25 cat 4 €55 cat 3 €105 cat 2 €145 cat 1
... and that was the good old days when the pound was 1.35 to euro ...
... In fact, the refund I got back on my Final ticket voucher (€300) was like £50 more than what I paid for it ;-)
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Post by sleepy on Nov 23, 2019 20:49:57 GMT
Anybody else notice this tournament is vastly more expensive than the 2016 edition? Weren't there tickets for like £30 (not euros, pounds!) in category 4 for the group matches? I am sure I paid approx £82 for cat 2 tickets. Cat 2 tickets this time are 125 EUR (apart from in Baku, Romania and Hungary). If we play in Baku I'm going for cat 1 tickets (125 EUR). Not going to travel all that way for a sh1te view. pretty sure EURO 2016 prices up to last 16 were
€25 cat 4 €55 cat 3 €105 cat 2 €145 cat 1 ... and that was the good old days when the pound was 1.35 to euro ... ... In fact, the refund I got back on my Final ticket voucher (€300) was like £50 more than what I paid for it ;-)
Yep those were the correct prices up to the last 16. And my QF ticket was only 45€ (cat 4) too, what a bargain.
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Post by superunknown on Nov 24, 2019 10:12:19 GMT
Would definitely prefer group B if I’m honest, Rome and Baku were nice but Copenhagen and St Petersburg offer so much more as cities. Add to this I bet we’ll get the group of death if we get A as well. On team B with manulike
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Post by welwyn on Nov 24, 2019 10:15:47 GMT
Would definitely prefer group B if I’m honest, Rome and Baku were nice but Copenhagen and St Petersburg offer so much more as cities. Add to this I bet we’ll get the group of death if we get A as well. On team B with manulike The chances of us getting a worse group than Russia (IN RUSSIA), Denmark (in DENMARK) and Belgium is unlikely. That's even if I think Italy are better than Belgium at the minute.
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Post by superunknown on Nov 24, 2019 10:20:11 GMT
Denmark really aren’t all that. Ireland managed to get two draws out there and from what I’ve watched of them we’re more than a match for them.
I don’t think it’s a bad a group as I initially thought. We’d definitely give Russia a game too (if they’re not kicked out that is) and Belgium can go any way as we know.
If the games are Baku - Rome - Baku that’ll definitely stop many of our fans going out for all games. Whereas St Petersburg - Copenhagen - St Petersburg is more manageable.
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Post by welwyn on Nov 24, 2019 10:26:47 GMT
Denmark really aren’t all that. Ireland managed to get two draws out there and from what I’ve watched of them we’re more than a match for them. I don’t think it’s a bad a group as I initially thought. We’d definitely give Russia a game too (if they’re not kicked out that is) and Belgium can go any way as we know. If the games are Baku - Rome - Baku that’ll definitely stop many of our fans going out for all games. Whereas St Petersburg - Copenhagen - St Petersburg is more manageable. I think we are basing that on Russia in France as opposed to the differences that Russia have in Russia (cue Eric Idle *wink wink nudge nudge*). They WON'T be kicked out. Can't see UEFA allowing that.
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Post by superunknown on Nov 24, 2019 10:32:25 GMT
Denmark really aren’t all that. Ireland managed to get two draws out there and from what I’ve watched of them we’re more than a match for them. I don’t think it’s a bad a group as I initially thought. We’d definitely give Russia a game too (if they’re not kicked out that is) and Belgium can go any way as we know. If the games are Baku - Rome - Baku that’ll definitely stop many of our fans going out for all games. Whereas St Petersburg - Copenhagen - St Petersburg is more manageable. I think we are basing that on Russia in France as opposed to the differences that Russia have in Russia (cue Eric Idle *wink wink nudge nudge*). They WON'T be kicked out. Can't see UEFA allowing that. Na I know Russia have improved tbf but I don’t disagree an away tie in Russia will never be an easy game. I don’t know the ins and outs of it but would UEFA have a say in it? I don’t know who has authority over it but if the anti doping authorities say that they have been doping would it not be up to them to exclude them from major sporting events and not UEFA. Some people on social media (I know) seem certain that they’ll be kicked out.
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Post by impeachabull on Nov 24, 2019 10:37:59 GMT
Yeah, there definitely could be worse groups. But Russia's home record since 2018 is P12 W8 D2 L2. They're a very decent team these days. The only defeats were to Uruguay and Belgium.
Denmark are solid at home too. I don't think they've lost there in three years.
Obviously we've got a decent record against Belgium but objectively they're just about the best team in the world.
Assuming we need about 4 points to get out of the group, it looks very tricky in group B to me.
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Post by welwyn on Nov 24, 2019 10:42:00 GMT
I think we are basing that on Russia in France as opposed to the differences that Russia have in Russia (cue Eric Idle *wink wink nudge nudge*). They WON'T be kicked out. Can't see UEFA allowing that. Na I know Russia have improved tbf but I don’t disagree an away tie in Russia will never be an easy game. I don’t know the ins and outs of it but would UEFA have a say in it? I don’t know who has authority over it but if the anti doping authorities say that they have been doping would it not be up to them to exclude them from major sporting events and not UEFA. Some people on social media (I know) seem certain that they’ll be kicked out. Do the anti-doping authorities a) have authority over UEFA? doubtful b) have the ability to override UEFA pressure? hmmmm That's before we even get to Russia's ability to appeal/counter-appeal.
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Post by superunknown on Nov 24, 2019 10:51:02 GMT
Na I know Russia have improved tbf but I don’t disagree an away tie in Russia will never be an easy game. I don’t know the ins and outs of it but would UEFA have a say in it? I don’t know who has authority over it but if the anti doping authorities say that they have been doping would it not be up to them to exclude them from major sporting events and not UEFA. Some people on social media (I know) seem certain that they’ll be kicked out. Do the anti-doping authorities a) have authority over UEFA? doubtful b) have the ability to override UEFA pressure? hmmmm That's before we even get to Russia's ability to appeal/counter-appeal. Presumably they at least have authority over Russia in the Olympics as obviously they’ve been banned before. If they were to be banned from the Olympics you’d imagine there’d be significant pressure for UEFA to take action as well.
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Post by cadno on Nov 24, 2019 11:28:41 GMT
Yeah, there definitely could be worse groups. But Russia's home record since 2018 is P12 W8 D2 L2. They're a very decent team these days. The only defeats were to Uruguay and Belgium. Denmark are solid at home too. I don't think they've lost there in three years. Obviously we've got a decent record against Belgium but objectively they're just about the best team in the world. Assuming we need about 4 points to get out of the group, it looks very tricky in group B to me. Russia are a lot better these days, and beating Denmark would be a big challenge. At least we've improved in the last 4 games, we'd give the Danes more of a game now, since ditching the idea of playing players out of position.
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Post by eppingblue1 on Nov 24, 2019 12:18:48 GMT
Do the anti-doping authorities a) have authority over UEFA? doubtful b) have the ability to override UEFA pressure? hmmmm That's before we even get to Russia's ability to appeal/counter-appeal. Presumably they at least have authority over Russia in the Olympics as obviously they’ve been banned before. If they were to be banned from the Olympics you’d imagine there’d be significant pressure for UEFA to take action as well. How would they determine the replacement host city. I assume Scotland would replace Russia but they would have to play in group D as direct qualifiers. Winners of that revised play off path would go into group B. So who would become the replacement host city. Brussels or indeed Cardiff if we're drawn into that group. Is there yet an outside chance that Cardiff could host with most of us watching on the tele in bars in st Petersburg ! When will we know what's happening with Russia for sure.
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Post by insertname on Nov 24, 2019 12:36:15 GMT
Do the anti-doping authorities a) have authority over UEFA? doubtful b) have the ability to override UEFA pressure? hmmmm That's before we even get to Russia's ability to appeal/counter-appeal. Presumably they at least have authority over Russia in the Olympics as obviously they’ve been banned before. If they were to be banned from the Olympics you’d imagine there’d be significant pressure for UEFA to take action as well. Comparing apples and oranges. The olympics is about as moral as sport gets. Football...hmm...not so much. Also I wonder at the jurisdiction WADA have, surely they can only advise the various sporting bodies and there is no actual legal mechanism for them to enforce their advice. I suspect for the most part they are dogs with no teeth and they are reliant on the various sports governing bodies to ’do the right thing’ Given the amount of money in football as well as Russia’s position in the political spectrum does anyone seriously think anything will be done?
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Post by oscardelta on Nov 24, 2019 12:52:27 GMT
Denmark really aren’t all that. Ireland managed to get two draws out there and from what I’ve watched of them we’re more than a match for them. 6 times in 2 years and lost once and that was the 5-1 calamity.
In reality we were on top and 1-0 in 1st 30 minutes then 2 howling defensive errorsgave then a lead and that was it.
They most definitely are beatable, one day we may even have a striker when we play them again.
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Post by oscardelta on Nov 24, 2019 12:54:59 GMT
Na I know Russia have improved tbf but I don’t disagree an away tie in Russia will never be an easy game. I don’t know the ins and outs of it but would UEFA have a say in it? I don’t know who has authority over it but if the anti doping authorities say that they have been doping would it not be up to them to exclude them from major sporting events and not UEFA. Some people on social media (I know) seem certain that they’ll be kicked out. Do the anti-doping authorities a) have authority over UEFA? doubtful b) have the ability to override UEFA pressure? hmmmm That's before we even get to Russia's ability to appeal/counter-appeal. Anti doping crap. Hell look at UK athletes that were "mates" with Salazar in the Nike Oregon Project and they claim they never knew he was doping or Sky cycling who claim there are so clean.
Russia just not worked out good masking agents like US/UK yet.
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Post by impeachabull on Nov 24, 2019 13:13:36 GMT
Yeah, there definitely could be worse groups. But Russia's home record since 2018 is P12 W8 D2 L2. They're a very decent team these days. The only defeats were to Uruguay and Belgium. Denmark are solid at home too. I don't think they've lost there in three years. Obviously we've got a decent record against Belgium but objectively they're just about the best team in the world. Assuming we need about 4 points to get out of the group, it looks very tricky in group B to me. Russia are a lot better these days, and beating Denmark would be a big challenge. At least we've improved in the last 4 games, we'd give the Danes more of a game now, since ditching the idea of playing players out of position. Agreed, I don't want to sound too pessimistic. I think we've definitely got a chance if it's Group B. I'd say three out of four of the teams are fairly evenly matched. I just think the way the home advantage falls (on the side of the two teams we're most likely to beat) tips the scales against us.
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Post by oscardelta on Nov 24, 2019 16:41:04 GMT
Russia are a lot better these days, and beating Denmark would be a big challenge. At least we've improved in the last 4 games, we'd give the Danes more of a game now, since ditching the idea of playing players out of position. Agreed, I don't want to sound too pessimistic. I think we've definitely got a chance if it's Group B. I'd say three out of four of the teams are fairly evenly matched. I just think the way the home advantage falls (on the side of the two teams we're most likely to beat) tips the scales against us. Every team has a chance of going through, irrespective of whether it is home or away.
Big difference is that 90% of tickets will not be going just to home fans like a qualifier.
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Post by jbt95 on Nov 24, 2019 17:27:52 GMT
Yeah, there definitely could be worse groups. But Russia's home record since 2018 is P12 W8 D2 L2. They're a very decent team these days. The only defeats were to Uruguay and Belgium. Denmark are solid at home too. I don't think they've lost there in three years. Obviously we've got a decent record against Belgium but objectively they're just about the best team in the world. Assuming we need about 4 points to get out of the group, it looks very tricky in group B to me. They played crap teams though in the Euro qualifiers. Scotland, Cyprus, Kazakhstan, San Marino. In the Nations League, they drew at home v Sweden 0-0 and beat Turkey 2-0. They lost in Sweden.
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Post by caeboy on Nov 24, 2019 17:30:47 GMT
UEFA hasn't announced any kick off times yet other than the opening fixture - if they announce afternoon kick off times in Baku in June, maybe Copenhagen and St Petersburg would be better venues for us temperature wise.
On another point, It's ludicrous that some teams can qualify from the groups in 3rd place when UEFA has ensured some of the lesser teams will be at the finals through the Nations league. We were a point off being in pot 3 which is a shame given it would have meant that we could have been in a group with a Belarus of a Macedonia, which you would expect to bring 3 points, which would probably be enough to make the next round.
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Post by jbt95 on Nov 24, 2019 17:33:30 GMT
Agreed, I don't want to sound too pessimistic. I think we've definitely got a chance if it's Group B. I'd say three out of four of the teams are fairly evenly matched. I just think the way the home advantage falls (on the side of the two teams we're most likely to beat) tips the scales against us. Every team has a chance of going through, irrespective of whether it is home or away.
Big difference is that 90% of tickets will not be going just to home fans like a qualifier.
I disagree. Probably a high number of tickets requested for the games in a host city would have been by a country's own fans.
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Post by jbt95 on Nov 24, 2019 17:38:34 GMT
UEFA hasn't announced any kick off times yet other than the opening fixture - if they announce afternoon kick off times in Baku in June, maybe Copenhagen and St Petersburg would be better venues for us temperature wise. On another point, It's ludicrous that some teams can qualify from the groups in 3rd place when UEFA has ensured some of the lesser teams will be at the finals through the Nations league. We were a point off being in pot 3 which is a shame given it would have meant that we could have been in a group with a Belarus of a Macedonia, which you would expect to bring 3 points, which would probably be enough to make the next round. We have been royally shafted this tournament. First they give extra games to Wembley over Cardiff or Stockholm. Then we get drawn in a 5 team group containing the best 3rd and 4th seeds, plus the World Cup runners up and a decent 5th seed team not somebody absloutely dross. Then when the fixtures come out, we have to go to Croatia and play at 3pm in June (boiling). Then we qualify and are in Pot 4 because they've changed the seeding basis from was the UEFA rankings taking into account 40% of this, 40% of that etc, to ranking all the qualification groups against each other - even though some groups were so uncompetitive it's unbelievable (such as Belgium and Russia's Group I). Also the team that beat us to 3rd pot, Czech Republic, our good friends at the FA couldn't beat - the only game they didn't win and where a draw would have been enough for us to get into Pot 3. Then 4 countries hosting are in the play-offs so we can't be in 4 of the 6 groups. One of the remaining groups is the only so far with two confirmed hosts (plus the world ranked #1 side to play who will be out for revenge v us if it happens), and the other involves two games in Baku! Talk about not getting the rub of the green! (we are gonna get Baku-Rome-Baku I just know it).
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Post by jbt95 on Nov 24, 2019 20:47:07 GMT
Anybody else notice this tournament is vastly more expensive than the 2016 edition? Weren't there tickets for like £30 (not euros, pounds!) in category 4 for the group matches? I am sure I paid approx £82 for cat 2 tickets. Cat 2 tickets this time are 125 EUR (apart from in Baku, Romania and Hungary). If we play in Baku I'm going for cat 1 tickets (125 EUR). Not going to travel all that way for a sh1te view. pretty sure EURO 2016 prices up to last 16 were
€25 cat 4 €55 cat 3 €105 cat 2 €145 cat 1
... and that was the good old days when the pound was 1.35 to euro ...
... In fact, the refund I got back on my Final ticket voucher (€300) was like £50 more than what I paid for it ;-)
www.uefa.com/uefaeuro/ticketing/ticket-types/index.htmlThe Opening Game is a lot cheaper this time around. €225 for Cat 1 in 2020, where as it was €195 for Cat 3's game in 2016. Cat 2 & 3 prices for the Final are the same, but Cat 1 €50 more at €945. The 'Fans First' ticket, if even available to national teams, has gone up €10 if compared with the Cat 4 ticket from 2016. QF cat 3 price has actually gone down €10 but 2 & 1 have gone up slightly.
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Post by manulike on Nov 24, 2019 21:00:09 GMT
Would definitely prefer group B if I’m honest, Rome and Baku were nice but Copenhagen and St Petersburg offer so much more as cities. Add to this I bet we’ll get the group of death if we get A as well. On team B with manulike
#Dreaming.Of.White.Nights.In.Saint.Pete
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Post by jbt95 on Nov 24, 2019 21:05:06 GMT
UEFA hasn't announced any kick off times yet other than the opening fixture - if they announce afternoon kick off times in Baku in June, maybe Copenhagen and St Petersburg would be better venues for us temperature wise. On another point, It's ludicrous that some teams can qualify from the groups in 3rd place when UEFA has ensured some of the lesser teams will be at the finals through the Nations league. We were a point off being in pot 3 which is a shame given it would have meant that we could have been in a group with a Belarus of a Macedonia, which you would expect to bring 3 points, which would probably be enough to make the next round. Don't forget Baku will be 2 hours ahead of CEST (currently 3 on CET but they don't change clocks in Azerbaijan). CEST kick off times will be 1500 1800 2100 (Dublin, Glasgow & London will be 1400 1700 2000). So Baku will be 1700 & 2000 (doubt they will kick off 2300).
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Post by manulike on Nov 24, 2019 21:09:10 GMT
pretty sure EURO 2016 prices up to last 16 were
€25 cat 4 €55 cat 3 €105 cat 2 €145 cat 1
... and that was the good old days when the pound was 1.35 to euro ...
... In fact, the refund I got back on my Final ticket voucher (€300) was like £50 more than what I paid for it ;-)
www.uefa.com/uefaeuro/ticketing/ticket-types/index.htmlThe Opening Game is a lot cheaper this time around. €225 for Cat 1 in 2020, where as it was €195 for Cat 3's game in 2016. Cat 2 & 3 prices for the Final are the same, but Cat 1 €50 more at €945. The 'Fans First' ticket, if even available to national teams, has gone up €10 if compared with the Cat 4 ticket from 2016. QF cat 3 price has actually gone down €10 but 2 & 1 have gone up slightly. All that UEFA did was get rid of Cat 4 altogether and re-name it Cat 3. The 2020 Cat 3 is entirely behind the goal
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Post by eppingblue1 on Nov 24, 2019 21:16:30 GMT
Would definitely prefer group B if I’m honest, Rome and Baku were nice but Copenhagen and St Petersburg offer so much more as cities. Add to this I bet we’ll get the group of death if we get A as well. On team B with manulike
#Dreaming.Of.White.Nights.In.Saint.Pete
Having been to Baku and St Petersburg this year my preference would be St Petersburg.
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Post by ch7 on Nov 25, 2019 0:07:02 GMT
Agreed, I don't want to sound too pessimistic. I think we've definitely got a chance if it's Group B. I'd say three out of four of the teams are fairly evenly matched. I just think the way the home advantage falls (on the side of the two teams we're most likely to beat) tips the scales against us. Every team has a chance of going through, irrespective of whether it is home or away.
Big difference is that 90% of tickets will not be going just to home fans like a qualifier.
Surely they will. Danes and Russians would of bought tickets for games in their cities irrelevant of qualification.
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Post by cymroircarn on Nov 25, 2019 10:16:06 GMT
Every team has a chance of going through, irrespective of whether it is home or away.
Big difference is that 90% of tickets will not be going just to home fans like a qualifier.
Surely they will. Danes and Russians would of bought tickets for games in their cities irrelevant of qualification. Exactly. Denmark knew they would be a host nation if the qualified so why would they not apply for the games in Cop? I’m sure the Irish did the same with the games in the Aviva
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Post by maelor on Nov 25, 2019 13:08:48 GMT
UEFA hasn't announced any kick off times yet other than the opening fixture - if they announce afternoon kick off times in Baku in June, maybe Copenhagen and St Petersburg would be better venues for us temperature wise. On another point, It's ludicrous that some teams can qualify from the groups in 3rd place when UEFA has ensured some of the lesser teams will be at the finals through the Nations league. We were a point off being in pot 3 which is a shame given it would have meant that we could have been in a group with a Belarus of a Macedonia, which you would expect to bring 3 points, which would probably be enough to make the next round. We have been royally shafted this tournament. First they give extra games to Wembley over Cardiff or Stockholm. Then we get drawn in a 5 team group containing the best 3rd and 4th seeds, plus the World Cup runners up and a decent 5th seed team not somebody absloutely dross. Then when the fixtures come out, we have to go to Croatia and play at 3pm in June (boiling). Then we qualify and are in Pot 4 because they've changed the seeding basis from was the UEFA rankings taking into account 40% of this, 40% of that etc, to ranking all the qualification groups against each other - even though some groups were so uncompetitive it's unbelievable (such as Belgium and Russia's Group I). Also the team that beat us to 3rd pot, Czech Republic, our good friends at the FA couldn't beat - the only game they didn't win and where a draw would have been enough for us to get into Pot 3. Then 4 countries hosting are in the play-offs so we can't be in 4 of the 6 groups. One of the remaining groups is the only so far with two confirmed hosts (plus the world ranked #1 side to play who will be out for revenge v us if it happens), and the other involves two games in Baku! Talk about not getting the rub of the green! (we are gonna get Baku-Rome-Baku I just know it). Fair play, great post. Feeling quite depressed after reading it, but it's an excellent analysis.
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Post by fiveattheback on Nov 25, 2019 13:17:14 GMT
www.uefa.com/uefaeuro/ticketing/ticket-types/index.htmlThe Opening Game is a lot cheaper this time around. €225 for Cat 1 in 2020, where as it was €195 for Cat 3's game in 2016. Cat 2 & 3 prices for the Final are the same, but Cat 1 €50 more at €945. The 'Fans First' ticket, if even available to national teams, has gone up €10 if compared with the Cat 4 ticket from 2016. QF cat 3 price has actually gone down €10 but 2 & 1 have gone up slightly. All that UEFA did was get rid of Cat 4 altogether and re-name it Cat 3. The 2020 Cat 3 is entirely behind the goal They really are horrible money-grabbing bastards, aren't they?
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