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Post by alf on Nov 21, 2019 18:59:21 GMT
I think we can all agree that this format is a joke What utter prick thought Baku-Rome-Baku was feasible? No one thought that it ever was, the last people to be considered when deciding the format were the fans. The main priority for UEFA for this tournament was consolidating their own power in European football, by ensuring the support of the twelve host countries, and with that the happy sponsors and corporate lot from each of the host cities. If were to get to the semi finals again, having finished runners up in our group our journey would be: Wales > Baku > Rome > Baku > Amsterdam > Baku > London By road that's a total of 26,903 km in 25 days. No journey between each game would be shorter than 4186km, and some of the games are just three days apart. In the months of June or July, I can find no direct flights between Baku and Western Europe, and certainly not to the UK, Italy or the Netherlands. Comparatively if you did the games for 2016 by road, it was a combined total of 3243km for all the games.The fact that's possible clearly shows that the fans are their last consideration. And even in 2016 didn't we have to travel the furthest between games?
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Post by walesgolfmadrid on Nov 21, 2019 19:01:04 GMT
No one thought that it ever was, the last people to be considered when deciding the format were the fans. The main priority for UEFA for this tournament was consolidating their own power in European football, by ensuring the support of the twelve host countries, and with that the happy sponsors and corporate lot from each of the host cities. If were to get to the semi finals again, having finished runners up in our group our journey would be: Wales > Baku > Rome > Baku > Amsterdam > Baku > London By road that's a total of 26,903 km in 25 days. No journey between each game would be shorter than 4186km, and some of the games are just three days apart. In the months of June or July, I can find no direct flights between Baku and Western Europe, and certainly not to the UK, Italy or the Netherlands. Comparatively if you did the games for 2016 by road, it was a combined total of 3243km for all the games.The fact that's possible clearly shows that the fans are their last consideration. And even in 2016 didn't we have to travel the furthest between games? It would certainly have been up there towards the top, yes.
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Post by gwernybwch on Nov 21, 2019 20:35:43 GMT
If I've understood the sequencing of the matches correctly then it looks as if we'll be playing the third seeds first, then the second seeds second and the first seeds in the last game. If we're in Group B that would mean that we'd be playing Belgium last - who I would fancy to have beaten both Russia and Denmark and be already qualified by the time they play us. Could work in our favour. From the Euro 2020 Wiki article: Group stage schedule Matchday Dates Matches Matchday 1 12–16 June 2020 1 v 2, 3 v 4 Matchday 2 17–20 June 2020 1 v 3, 2 v 4 Matchday 3 21–24 June 2020 4 v 1, 2 v 3 But it also says: Note: Positions for scheduling do not use the seeding pots, and instead use the draw positions, e.g. Team 1 is not necessarily the team from Pot 1 in the draw.
I read from that we could be any Team number and isn't necessarily related to seeding? I'm assuming that they will do the draw first as to which of us or Finland go into Groups A and B and then do another draw to determine which country is deemed to be Team 1,2,3 and 4. How they then shoehorn the host nations into playing at home, I've got no idea. Also remember that Italy is guaranteed the opening ceremony game in Rome on the 12th June and therefore, the games of their other two qualifier games is also fixed.
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Post by impeachabull on Nov 21, 2019 20:43:46 GMT
If I've understood the sequencing of the matches correctly then it looks as if we'll be playing the third seeds first, then the second seeds second and the first seeds in the last game. If we're in Group B that would mean that we'd be playing Belgium last - who I would fancy to have beaten both Russia and Denmark and be already qualified by the time they play us. Could work in our favour. From the Euro 2020 Wiki article: Group stage schedule Matchday Dates Matches Matchday 1 12–16 June 2020 1 v 2, 3 v 4 Matchday 2 17–20 June 2020 1 v 3, 2 v 4 Matchday 3 21–24 June 2020 4 v 1, 2 v 3 But it also says: Note: Positions for scheduling do not use the seeding pots, and instead use the draw positions, e.g. Team 1 is not necessarily the team from Pot 1 in the draw.
I read from that we could be any Team number and isn't necessarily related to seeding?
I'm assuming that they will do the draw first as to which of us or Finland go into Groups A and B and then do another draw to determine which country is deemed to be Team 1,2,3 and 4. How they then shoehorn the host nations into playing at home, I've got no idea. Also remember that Italy is guaranteed the opening ceremony game in Rome on the 12th June and therefore, the games of their other two qualifier games is also fixed. Yeah, it's decided at the draw.
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Post by rioonamazy on Nov 21, 2019 20:55:45 GMT
not really a fix. all 4 places could be italy. As theres no dates just who plays who. so matchday 1= A1 V A2 , A3 v A4.
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Post by manulike on Nov 22, 2019 0:31:02 GMT
More than likely, if we finish second in the group AND we get to the 1/4 final it will be ...
Baku-Rome-Baku-Amsterdam-Baku
The runners up in the two groups we can be in play each other in the last 16, with the winner heading to Baku... No chance of that. I was counting on that back in 2016 and even Neil Taylor had his scoring boots on ;-) When we win Group A we head off to London and then to Munich for the 1/4 finals. If we need to win Group B - its off to Bilbao and then Munich for 1/4. Yey of little faith can carry on all you want about Baku, but I have my three nights at the MEININGER Munich Olympiapark fully booked up ;-))
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Post by TheWelshWay on Nov 22, 2019 9:19:50 GMT
The runners up in the two groups we can be in play each other in the last 16, with the winner heading to Baku... No chance of that. I was counting on that back in 2016 and even Neil Taylor had his scoring boots on ;-) When we win Group A we head off to London and then to Munich for the 1/4 finals. If we need to win Group B - its off to Bilbao and then Munich for 1/4. Yey of little faith can carry on all you want about Baku, but I have my three nights at the MEININGER Munich Olympiapark fully booked up ;-)) Where do those who are perpetually pessimistic and hope for a best third place spot get to look forward to?
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Post by impeachabull on Nov 22, 2019 10:44:06 GMT
No chance of that. I was counting on that back in 2016 and even Neil Taylor had his scoring boots on ;-) When we win Group A we head off to London and then to Munich for the 1/4 finals. If we need to win Group B - its off to Bilbao and then Munich for 1/4. Yey of little faith can carry on all you want about Baku, but I have my three nights at the MEININGER Munich Olympiapark fully booked up ;-)) Where do those who are perpetually pessimistic and hope for a best third place spot get to look forward to? If it's A, Bilbao, Bucharest or Glasgow. If B, just Bucharest or Glasgow.
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Post by gwernybwch on Nov 22, 2019 11:07:43 GMT
not really a fix. all 4 places could be italy. As theres no dates just who plays who. so matchday 1= A1 V A2 , A3 v A4. In Group A, my understanding is that at least one of Italy's dates IS fixed. They HAVE to play in the opening ceremony in Rome on the 12th June at least. I've also read suggestions that they will play ALL their games in Rome (which in turn guarantees that we have to play two games in Baku). Whoever is drawn to play Italy in the opening ceremony then gets to play their next two qualifying games in Baku.
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Post by impeachabull on Nov 22, 2019 11:18:19 GMT
Yeah, Azerbaijan's failure to qualify means that Italy play all their games at home. So all of their dates are fixed. Same for the three other countries who qualified while the other host in the group didn't (Holland, England, Spain, and Germany) In group B, Russia and Denmark will play their games against Belgium and Wales/Finland at home, and then the draw will decide which of them gets home advantage for the game between them. Wales/Finland v Belgium would be in the city not used for that game.
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Post by CrackityJones on Nov 22, 2019 11:24:44 GMT
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Post by impeachabull on Nov 22, 2019 12:03:56 GMT
Since the play-off draw, someone's updated the Wikipedia article so it's clearer that the only remaining spaces for fourth seeds are in group A and B. Hopefully that'll clear up any confusion.
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Post by Agent B on Nov 22, 2019 12:33:42 GMT
Yeah, Azerbaijan's failure to qualify means that Italy play all their games at home. So all of their dates are fixed. Same for the three other countries who qualified while the other host in the group didn't (Holland, England, Spain, and Germany) In group B, Russia and Denmark will play their games against Belgium and Wales/Finland at home, and then the draw will decide which of them gets home advantage for the game between them. Wales/Finland v Belgium would be in the city not used for that game. Denmark v Russia will be in Copenhagen. *Guaranteed to play all three group stage games at home having qualified via the European Qualifiers. As Russia and Denmark both reached UEFA EURO 2020 via the European Qualifiers, an additional draw was held on 22 November to decide which team plays all three group stage games at home; Russia will have two group stage home games.
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Post by impeachabull on Nov 22, 2019 12:40:20 GMT
Yeah, Azerbaijan's failure to qualify means that Italy play all their games at home. So all of their dates are fixed. Same for the three other countries who qualified while the other host in the group didn't (Holland, England, Spain, and Germany) In group B, Russia and Denmark will play their games against Belgium and Wales/Finland at home, and then the draw will decide which of them gets home advantage for the game between them. Wales/Finland v Belgium would be in the city not used for that game. Denmark v Russia will be in Copenhagen. *Guaranteed to play all three group stage games at home having qualified via the European Qualifiers. As Russia and Denmark both reached UEFA EURO 2020 via the European Qualifiers, an additional draw was held on 22 November to decide which team plays all three group stage games at home; Russia will have two group stage home games. Ah thanks, I thought the draw for this would be next week!
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Post by dai on Nov 22, 2019 12:56:54 GMT
Due to the complete lunacy of this multi-country Euro's, does anyone else think that games will be poorly attended? I really can't imagine us taking even half the amount of fans that went to France. Too complicated and too expensive.
I certainly won't be attending any matches, which I'm a bit gutted about. Can only barely afford to go abroad as a family once a year, so travelling back and forth Europe is beyond my financial capabilities.
If I will be truthful, the whole thing has taken away some the excitement of qualifying.
Any bet that come next year, my fb feed will be full of people going to watch Wales in whatever country it is who haven't set foot in the CCS since the Euro qualifiers. I know one set of guys who haven't been to any home or away matches for years who went to the Euro's in 16, and are planning on going to watch Wales again in the Euro's. Really f**ks me off.
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Post by insertname on Nov 22, 2019 13:27:35 GMT
Yeah, Azerbaijan's failure to qualify means that Italy play all their games at home. So all of their dates are fixed. Same for the three other countries who qualified while the other host in the group didn't (Holland, England, Spain, and Germany) In group B, Russia and Denmark will play their games against Belgium and Wales/Finland at home, and then the draw will decide which of them gets home advantage for the game between them. Wales/Finland v Belgium would be in the city not used for that game. Wow, isn’t it funny how all those major nations were paired with minnows who haven’t qualified so they get all their games at home? What a fantastic tournament this is going to be when England, Holland, Germany and Spain can play all their group games at home. Magnificent fellating of the big boys by Uefa.
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Post by insertname on Nov 22, 2019 13:33:58 GMT
Due to the complete lunacy of this multi-country Euro's, does anyone else think that games will be poorly attended? I really can't imagine us taking even half the amount of fans that went to France. Too complicated and too expensive. I certainly won't be attending any matches, which I'm a bit gutted about. Can only barely afford to go abroad as a family once a year, so travelling back and forth Europe is beyond my financial capabilities. If I will be truthful, the whole thing has taken away some the excitement of qualifying. Any bet that come next year, my fb feed will be full of people going to watch Wales in whatever country it is who haven't set foot in the CCS since the Euro qualifiers. I know one set of guys who haven't been to any home or away matches for years who went to the Euro's in 16, and are planning on going to watch Wales again in the Euro's. Really f**ks me off. As long as they don’t cheat to get tickets then that’s the way it goes. The regulars should be in line first for tickets and so on, then it should just come down to who has the disposable income to afford to go to matches. For some of us it’s just not realistic, but again, that’s the way it goes. The allocation allotted at finals should at least mean that most who want to get a ticket do, sadly this does not seem to be happening in practice (at least this time round) because of the bias to the numerous host nations. In particular Denmark sounds like a right shit-show, 40 odd k stadium and no doubt most of the tickets will be to home fans. It sounds for us like the only stadium with a decent number of tickets will be in Baku because no bugger can get there!
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Post by CrackityJones on Nov 22, 2019 15:42:57 GMT
Just so we're clear, we are guaranteed to play the following:
Group A - Two games in Azer one in Italy
Group B - Two games in Russia one in Denmark
Hopefully the double games in Azerbaijan or Russia will be consecutive.
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Post by cymro on Nov 22, 2019 16:22:24 GMT
Just so we're clear, we are guaranteed to play the following: Group A - Two games in Azer one in Italy Group B - Two games in Russia one in Denmark Hopefully the double games in Azerbaijan or Russia will be consecutive. I really hope we get group A with Italy first in Rome on opening night and then 2 consecutive games in Baku. Would love to be playing in the opening match, and then a week long break in Baku. Yes it's a ball ache to get to but very cheap once there so you make your money back, and everyone who wants a ticket will get one. I wouldn't bother going to Rome but would just like us to be in the opening night match for the occasion.
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Post by CrackityJones on Nov 22, 2019 16:34:11 GMT
Opening match will set you back:
Category 3: €75 Category 2: €145 Category 1: €225
Followed by a slashed backside from the charming local Lazio fans
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Post by cadno on Nov 22, 2019 17:11:30 GMT
Opening match will set you back: Category 3: €75 Category 2: €145 Category 1: €225 Followed by a slashed backside from the charming local Lazio fans Bloody Nazio
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Post by insertname on Nov 22, 2019 17:13:44 GMT
Opening match will set you back: Category 3: €75 Category 2: €145 Category 1: €225 Followed by a slashed backside from the charming local Lazio fans Yeah as I've said before it's shocking they have elected to have a match there. Guaranteed to be trouble and injuries. Not that the San Siro would be any better mind after last time.
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Post by manulike on Nov 22, 2019 19:03:08 GMT
Just for all the ney sayers, the doomsters and the gloomsters that seem to favour Baku ...
May I further whet your appetite by saying that IF WE END THIRD IN GROUP B ... a more than likely scenario would be:
Copenhagen-ST Pete-St Pete-Bucharest-St Pete-London and then Neil Taylor on the winners podium ;-)
Now. If that is not the stuff of wet dreams ... honestly ;-)
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Post by oscardelta on Nov 22, 2019 23:50:16 GMT
Due to the complete lunacy of this multi-country Euro's, does anyone else think that games will be poorly attended? I really can't imagine us taking even half the amount of fans that went to France. Too complicated and too expensive. I certainly won't be attending any matches, which I'm a bit gutted about. Can only barely afford to go abroad as a family once a year, so travelling back and forth Europe is beyond my financial capabilities. If I will be truthful, the whole thing has taken away some the excitement of qualifying. Any bet that come next year, my fb feed will be full of people going to watch Wales in whatever country it is who haven't set foot in the CCS since the Euro qualifiers. I know one set of guys who haven't been to any home or away matches for years who went to the Euro's in 16, and are planning on going to watch Wales again in the Euro's. Really f**ks me off. Sadly I agree with what you say because part of the fun in being in one country is wandering around and seeing the country. If Low Cost airlines were designing a tournament this would be it.
All of those claiming they will go will all of a sudden have second thoughts when they start realising that £2k planned for trip which they spent in France is less than half of what they will need.
It is also why Qatar 2022 I figure will be a great tournament to be at because cost and timing just before Christmas will put majority of people off. Hence opportunity to watch mega amount of games will be there. Like to see half the games though personal circumstances probably will suggest otherwise.
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Post by manulike on Nov 23, 2019 0:35:13 GMT
Due to the complete lunacy of this multi-country Euro's, does anyone else think that games will be poorly attended? I really can't imagine us taking even half the amount of fans that went to France. Too complicated and too expensive. I certainly won't be attending any matches, which I'm a bit gutted about. Can only barely afford to go abroad as a family once a year, so travelling back and forth Europe is beyond my financial capabilities. If I will be truthful, the whole thing has taken away some the excitement of qualifying. Any bet that come next year, my fb feed will be full of people going to watch Wales in whatever country it is who haven't set foot in the CCS since the Euro qualifiers. I know one set of guys who haven't been to any home or away matches for years who went to the Euro's in 16, and are planning on going to watch Wales again in the Euro's. Really f**ks me off. Sadly I agree with what you say because part of the fun in being in one country is wandering around and seeing the country. If Low Cost airlines were designing a tournament this would be it.
All of those claiming they will go will all of a sudden have second thoughts when they start realising that £2k planned for trip which they spent in France is less than half of what they will need.
It is also why Qatar 2022 I figure will be a great tournament to be at because cost and timing just before Christmas will put majority of people off. Hence opportunity to watch mega amount of games will be there. Like to see half the games though personal circumstances probably will suggest otherwise.
Similar to you, OD, I totally enjoyed the experience of being out in France for the full five weeks. A little surprised that you managed to spend £2k, as you were only there for three weeks ;-))
Seriously, I got to see all 6 Wales games, as well as another 8 other games (2 ROI ones) and loads of the country from ground level. Including the cost of all the football tickets, I still got change back from £2k - and that was five full weeks ;-)
I am budgeting for more like £5k this time around - AND I BLAME RAMBO FOR THAT!!!
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Post by quetzal on Nov 23, 2019 0:40:02 GMT
Due to the complete lunacy of this multi-country Euro's, does anyone else think that games will be poorly attended? I really can't imagine us taking even half the amount of fans that went to France. Too complicated and too expensive. I certainly won't be attending any matches, which I'm a bit gutted about. Can only barely afford to go abroad as a family once a year, so travelling back and forth Europe is beyond my financial capabilities. If I will be truthful, the whole thing has taken away some the excitement of qualifying. Any bet that come next year, my fb feed will be full of people going to watch Wales in whatever country it is who haven't set foot in the CCS since the Euro qualifiers. I know one set of guys who haven't been to any home or away matches for years who went to the Euro's in 16, and are planning on going to watch Wales again in the Euro's. Really f**ks me off. I live in Guatemala. Saw a ton of Mike England games with my dad and then never missed a home game for years during Yorath and Ghoul years and half of Hughes but then started traveling. Selfishly the more tickets available the better for me. It’s all relative. In recent years i’ve been over to Israel and Georgia all the way from Guatemala and the first three games in France. I think though that even in Baku the Welsh games will be packed. It’s the Euros ffs and all the people that missed out the last time and had to endure their friends going on about it. Young exciting Welsh team who play good football??? Ok the disposable income crowd. Bloody hell where do I start. Well being a Bridgend boy of origin I also love rugby. I went to Japan. Had a wonderful three weeks. After Wales Georgia in Toyota was speaking to a guy from Machynlleth who I had a chat with in Wales football qualifier in Tbilisi against Georgia in the Hangar Bar. Pure coincidence. But anyway we were so disappointed with the rugby atmosphere. I’m 43 and the Welsh fans made me look 18. It was Dads army out there!!! Married couples semi retired folk. Even the National anthem wasn’t that loud. Hope Welsh Euros crowd as a youth vibe like France to it. Old people welcome but lets hope the kids don’t get priced out. I went to watch the Manic Street Preachers in Tokyo(Last song Motorcycle Emptiness amazing!!!) and by the bar I heard a Welsh guy describe Welsh people he’d met in Japan from the Valleys ‘straight out of Hickville, from the deepest darkest Valleys’. I just hope the Euros is not dominated by the disposable income crowd.
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Post by impeachabull on Nov 23, 2019 0:50:59 GMT
Just for all the ney sayers, the doomsters and the gloomsters that seem to favour Baku ... May I further whet your appetite by saying that IF WE END THIRD IN GROUP B ... a more than likely scenario would be: Copenhagen-ST Pete-St Pete-Bucharest-St Pete-London and then Neil Taylor on the winners podium ;-) Now. If that is not the stuff of wet dreams ... honestly ;-) Ha, I enjoy your pro-Group B stance. But there's basically no difference in the subsequent draw if we finish third in A or B. We could similarly play Rome - Baku - Baku - Bucharest - Saint Petersburg - London - London in group A Add to that the probability of a weaker group in A, a bigger allocation, and not having to play two teams away, and Baku is the choice #RepentNowManULikeAndAllWillBeForgiven
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Post by jbt95 on Nov 23, 2019 1:45:20 GMT
Anybody else notice this tournament is vastly more expensive than the 2016 edition?
Weren't there tickets for like £30 (not euros, pounds!) in category 4 for the group matches?
I am sure I paid approx £82 for cat 2 tickets. Cat 2 tickets this time are 125 EUR (apart from in Baku, Romania and Hungary).
If we play in Baku I'm going for cat 1 tickets (125 EUR). Not going to travel all that way for a sh1te view.
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Post by oscardelta on Nov 23, 2019 10:24:37 GMT
Sadly I agree with what you say because part of the fun in being in one country is wandering around and seeing the country. If Low Cost airlines were designing a tournament this would be it.
All of those claiming they will go will all of a sudden have second thoughts when they start realising that £2k planned for trip which they spent in France is less than half of what they will need.
It is also why Qatar 2022 I figure will be a great tournament to be at because cost and timing just before Christmas will put majority of people off. Hence opportunity to watch mega amount of games will be there. Like to see half the games though personal circumstances probably will suggest otherwise.
Similar to you, OD, I totally enjoyed the experience of being out in France for the full five weeks. A little surprised that you managed to spend £2k, as you were only there for three weeks ;-))
Seriously, I got to see all 6 Wales games, as well as another 8 other games (2 ROI ones) and loads of the country from ground level. Including the cost of all the football tickets, I still got change back from £2k - and that was five full weeks ;-)
I spent a lot more than £2k but I had way more than just me. Also you have travelled far and wide previousply and know how to do it cheaply. Likely ypu are in the 5% of travellers who can do that. Majority I figure are not capable or can be bothered doing that.
I figured £2k as probably average spend including tickets accom etc for a fan, some will spend a lot more, some a lot less.
Fully understand Dai's position as there will be many like that.
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Post by manulike on Nov 23, 2019 12:58:35 GMT
Just for all the ney sayers, the doomsters and the gloomsters that seem to favour Baku ... May I further whet your appetite by saying that IF WE END THIRD IN GROUP B ... a more than likely scenario would be: Copenhagen-ST Pete-St Pete-Bucharest-St Pete-London and then Neil Taylor on the winners podium ;-) Now. If that is not the stuff of wet dreams ... honestly ;-) Ha, I enjoy your pro-Group B stance. But there's basically no difference in the subsequent draw if we finish third in A or B. We could similarly play Rome - Baku - Baku - Bucharest - Saint Petersburg - London - London in group A Add to that the probability of a weaker group in A, a bigger allocation, and not having to play two teams away, and Baku is the choice #RepentNowManULikeAndAllWillBeForgivenWould much rather be drinking and jollying with the (red) DEVILS than getting my arse slashed in Rome ;-((
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