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Post by talyfan on Nov 21, 2022 21:31:11 GMT
Page will almost certainly play exactky the same team. I think we need to go with youth. Moore starts, he was the best Welsh player tonight. Play Johnson. I would use Bale as a sub, because as much as that penalty was good he was awful for the majority of the match. I would even consider going 4 at the back seeing how poor they were against Eng; Neco - Mepham - Rodon - Davies Morrell - Ampadu Johnson - Ramsey - James Moore That would be my team as well. Better balance, not too top heavy and enough legs in midfield |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2022 21:33:36 GMT
bale would be dropped on performence,but how can you,maybe not the best outlook going forward
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 21, 2022 21:35:54 GMT
Hennessey
Mepham Rodon Davies
Roberts Ampadu Morrell Neco
Bale Ramsey
Moore
We will get more space against Iran, we need 2 in that middle to retain possession. Realistically neither Bale or Ramsey will be left out so not even worth considering. More protection in the middle should move Roberts and Neco a bit higher.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2022 21:41:08 GMT
the fact is we would not have a fit U.S team exsposing our lack of ball control,as sad as it is we can;t pass the ball under presure like the top teams
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Post by saints19 on Nov 21, 2022 21:56:50 GMT
We all fancy Iran now but they are bound to raise their game for us, I don't think a win is guaranteed by any means.
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Post by rushy on Nov 21, 2022 22:03:48 GMT
We all fancy Iran now but they are bound to raise their game for us, I don't think a win is guaranteed by any means. We can only play better ...surely ! |
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Post by aberbeeg on Nov 21, 2022 22:05:18 GMT
We need more legs in midfield. We were absolutely shocking first half
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Post by saints19 on Nov 21, 2022 22:06:52 GMT
Well you would hope so. Moore will fancy a crack at their defenders, but their defensive record suggests they're normally decent in that department and we rarely score a lot. We might struggle to break them down and need a moment of magic from one of our lads.
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Post by saints19 on Nov 21, 2022 22:07:44 GMT
We need more legs in midfield. We were absolutely shocking first half Not just in midfield, Bale and Ramsey both looked knackered. |
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Post by morg on Nov 21, 2022 22:21:22 GMT
We need more legs in midfield. We were absolutely shocking first half Agreed. As others have said, think it's time for a back 4. Extra man in midfield and Kieffer accommodated up top. |
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Post by cadno on Nov 21, 2022 22:49:13 GMT
Well you would hope so. Moore will fancy a crack at their defenders, but their defensive record suggests they're normally decent in that department and we rarely score a lot. We might struggle to break them down and need a moment of magic from one of our lads. Like Osian Roberts said, there aren’t any bad teams at this level. Iran we’re undone by a world class side. Like it or not England have an incredible squad. We need to be so much more like the 2nd half and be positive from the start on Friday. Start Morrell and Moore. |
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Post by impeachabull on Nov 22, 2022 9:35:32 GMT
Any news about the players (barring James) who went off?
Neco looked like a tactical sub to me.
Wilson looked like cramp.
Ampadu looked a bit more concerning.
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Post by insertname on Nov 22, 2022 9:44:26 GMT
Well you would hope so. Moore will fancy a crack at their defenders, but their defensive record suggests they're normally decent in that department and we rarely score a lot. We might struggle to break them down and need a moment of magic from one of our lads. Did you see how Rashford and Saka’s goals were fairly identical- cutting inside from the left and slotting the ball just past the keeper? Both fairly tame efforts in my opinion and we should be looking to do similar and Johnson seems the obvious pick to be able to do it. I’d even be tempted to drop Bale and have Moore and Johnson up front. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 22, 2022 10:23:31 GMT
We need players who can unpick a deep stubborn defence. Brennan has to start, Ramsey has to start, I think Wilson should start. Bale guaranteed. Kieffer guaranteed. That leaves little wiggle room for others. My opinion we don't need Morrell, as we don't need a double-pivot. We'll have majority possession with just 1 holding as Iran's style is to concede possession
Need to be able to get in between their lines, and put lots of crosses into the box. So for me it has to be...
Hennessey
Neco-Rodon-Mepham-Davies
Ampadu
Ramsey-Wilson
Bale-Moore-Brennan
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Post by welshowl on Nov 22, 2022 10:51:35 GMT
We all fancy Iran now but they are bound to raise their game for us, I don't think a win is guaranteed by any means. We can only play better ...surely ! We can only play better overall - but so surely will Iran. I wil need a few whiskies very early on on Friday morning (worked a treat last night).
Ideally Iran would save their best performance vs their American friends, but it's win or bust for them on Friday too. Helps Cymru I guess.
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 22, 2022 14:09:04 GMT
Any news about the players (barring James) who went off? Neco looked like a tactical sub to me. Wilson looked like cramp. Ampadu looked a bit more concerning. Neco proper jarred his back. Looked like a painful one in the replay. I'm guessing it'll be sore today. |
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 22, 2022 14:16:34 GMT
We need players who can unpick a deep stubborn defence. Brennan has to start, Ramsey has to start, I think Wilson should start. Bale guaranteed. Kieffer guaranteed. That leaves little wiggle room for others. My opinion we don't need Morrell, as we don't need a double-pivot. We'll have majority possession with just 1 holding as Iran's style is to concede possession Need to be able to get in between their lines, and put lots of crosses into the box. So for me it has to be... Hennessey Neco-Rodon-Mepham-Davies Ampadu Ramsey-Wilson Bale-Moore-Brennan I think it just depends how you see the game going. I think we can easily overload the attack. When the inevitable cross gets cleared I'd like another player to be outside to recycle it back in to sustain pressure. If it gets hammered away I'd prefer to have the defenders to quickly retrieve it and play it forward so they can't get out. Having a an extra player and one less attacker run 10 yards to get it seems better to me than having a lad run 20 and have to play it back to a CB and restart. |
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Post by fiveattheback on Nov 22, 2022 14:18:39 GMT
When's the last time we started with a back 4? I can't see us changing it in a World Cup
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Post by bale-droed on Nov 22, 2022 14:22:47 GMT
When's the last time we started with a back 4? I can't see us changing it in a World Cup Username checks out |
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Post by myrddin on Nov 22, 2022 19:22:46 GMT
GK Hennessy
RB Roberts
CB Ampadu
CB Davies
LB Neco
DM Allen
DM Wilson
RM Johnson / James
CM Ramsey
LM Bale
F Moore
Our best footballers. Plenty of goal scorers. Roden and Mepham worry me.
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Post by jimexotic on Nov 22, 2022 21:07:32 GMT
If ever there was a game in a World Cup where Mepham, Rodon and Davies can properly get it together and the team can settle it's Iran. The concern for me is Bale, if he's as unfit as he looked last night where do you play him? Watching today's games worry me because they all look really pumped and up for it, we looked like we were conserving energy until the big man came on, that kind of slack and complacent approach can't happen again. A lot of players that were slack grew into the game which was encouraging but Bale, it just looked like he was a second or two off the pace, he gave the ball up terribly in the left back position in the second half, that would never happen in the past and I find that very worrying.
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Post by welshrover on Nov 22, 2022 22:20:33 GMT
Personally, and I know it p-sses people off because he ain't a big name but we have to start Morrell before Wilson.
Morrell does the "ugly stuff" that Allen used to do, foot in, break up play, simple out ball.
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Post by jimexotic on Nov 22, 2022 22:29:50 GMT
Personally, and I know it p-sses people off because he ain't a big name but we have to start Morrell before Wilson. Morrell does the "ugly stuff" that Allen used to do, foot in, break up play, simple out ball. I get it, he knows his limits, I just worry that this might be our undoing if we're a little disjointed still. When we're at our swashbuckling best he's absolutely fine in there for me but had Joe Morrell started yesterday I think we and he might have been in trouble. I'm a Morrell fan by the way, he was brilliant against Belgium a year ago and I love how much he tries, he's an underdog in a team that's usually the underdog, he seems to be able to play above himself when the dragon is on his chest. |
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Post by talyfan on Nov 22, 2022 22:34:44 GMT
Morrell gives us balance. Frees up our attack minded players from getting too drawn into being defensive.
If Ampadu hadn't put a monumental shift in against USA. That trio would get torn a new one most of the time.
If we're playing three man midfield with players we have at our disposal. Ampadu and Morrell start along side either one of Ramsey or Wilson, we can't afford to have those two playing at the same time far too open and don't cover enough ground between them.
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Post by robin1864 on Nov 22, 2022 23:34:42 GMT
No fannying about with 5 at the back hipster tactics, this isn't 2018. Iran should be giving us more space, so we need to play more positively. Bench Bale for the start of the match and introduce him later on. If we need a spark, bring on Colwill for Ramsey and get Morrell on to replace Allen in the second half.
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Post by highbury06 on Nov 23, 2022 6:30:31 GMT
Page will almost certainly play exactky the same team. I think we need to go with youth. Moore starts, he was the best Welsh player tonight. Play Johnson. I would use Bale as a sub, because as much as that penalty was good he was awful for the majority of the match. I would even consider going 4 at the back seeing how poor they were against Eng; Neco - Mepham - Rodon - Davies Morrell - Ampadu Johnson - Ramsey - James Moore That would be my team as well. Better balance, not too top heavy and enough legs in midfield Page need to start Joe Allen against Iran. Then if we wins we can let him rest against ENG and return for last 16 probably. If he doesnt play against Iran, he may not be needed anymore |
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Post by yanto on Nov 23, 2022 7:15:07 GMT
Well you would hope so. Moore will fancy a crack at their defenders, but their defensive record suggests they're normally decent in that department and we rarely score a lot. We might struggle to break them down and need a moment of magic from one of our lads. Like Osian Roberts said, there aren’t any bad teams at this level. Iran we’re undone by a world class side. Like it or not England have an incredible squad. We need to be so much more like the 2nd half and be positive from the start on Friday. Start Morrell and Moore. I think its being underestimated how affected Iran are/were by the troubles back home, I expect them to be way better and probably justify their ranking. Quite amazed by comments that they are their for the taking they are not Qatar ffs!! |
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Post by yanto on Nov 23, 2022 7:19:23 GMT
No fannying about with 5 at the back hipster tactics, this isn't 2018. Iran should be giving us more space, so we need to play more positively. Bench Bale for the start of the match and introduce him later on. If we need a spark, bring on Colwill for Ramsey and get Morrell on to replace Allen in the second half.
Hennessy Roberts Mepham Davies Neco Allen Wilson Johnson Ramsey James Moore I like this team but its not going to happen is it? Page is between a rock etc with Bale, he was shite until the penalty incident and was being carried but clearly when it matters he always steps up whether that would be the same as a sub we will never know. |
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Post by rushy on Nov 23, 2022 9:18:00 GMT
Whichever team he selects, Page has to address the lack of possession and goal scoring opportunities , he said lessons were learned after the USA game, I hope so.
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 23, 2022 9:19:48 GMT
No fannying about with 5 at the back hipster tactics, this isn't 2018. Iran should be giving us more space, so we need to play more positively. Bench Bale for the start of the match and introduce him later on. If we need a spark, bring on Colwill for Ramsey and get Morrell on to replace Allen in the second half. Â
Hennessy Roberts Mepham Davies Neco Allen Wilson Johnson Ramsey James Moore Why would you bench Ampadu who was the standout player by a mile against USA but keep Wilson, Ramsey and James who were all terrible? I don't think we're trying to be hip with 3 at the back. I think we realise we don't have a squad capable of playing a back 4 at the level we are at with the players we got, so have more players positioned in the dangerous areas. |
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