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Post by winsumluzsum on Mar 27, 2024 15:10:27 GMT
I would have preferred a period of reflection before making the decision to affirm Page's appointment. However, the vote of confidence is good for Page's morale, which isn't a bad thing.
I would still like to see an experienced manager review footage of all our games and the playoffs and feed back to the manager. Performance reviews happen continually with players, why not with managers? Page should be open to this, if he's open minded and not defensive. It could be a great learning opportunity for him to sit down with someone like Graham Potter (tactically astute and emotionally intelligent) and talk through the decision making, where things have worked well and not so well.
A lot cheaper than sacking the manager.
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Post by ddirpytnop on Mar 27, 2024 15:13:43 GMT
That really isn't a good reason to delay - in fact, it's not a reason at all. You are annoyed that he's not being replaced and in your frustration, are taking a wild swipe at the FAW. I personally am more annoyed that there's not at least a review of the failings taking place right now, which then SHOULD be leading to a decision. It seems to me that Page was guaranteed the 4 years regardless of last nights result or even the qualifiers prior, and that is wrong. I don't know the ins and outs of his contract, however I was hoping (and expecting) there to be a clause which meant he could be let go should he fail to reach certain targets (like qualifying for Germany). But that seems unlikely after today's announcement. Maybe there is and maybe there isn't. But an escape clause should only be triggered when there's a better alternative available - in this instance, a proven, successful manager (preferably at international level - because the demands are very different from the club game) who is prepared to do it for the money - and be wholly committed to the cause. If you know of anyone who fits that bill, please let the FAW know.
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Post by winsumluzsum on Mar 27, 2024 15:13:46 GMT
Osian with Ramsey/Bellamy/Bale/etc as his assistant. With young players like Koumas, Crew, Beck, Harris & Colwill coming through, I think a fresh start with new thinking is the way forward for us. As I see it, we are about to transition into a new 'golden generation' and we have to get this right. I think you can add 17 year old Swansea player Parker at RWB to that list. He did enough in the few games he played before picking up a long term injury to indicate he has a very bright future for club and Country.
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Post by athenempadu on Mar 27, 2024 15:24:38 GMT
I would also add Daniel Farke as someone to consider, especially if Leeds ever get rid of him. Honeymoon periods get forgotten quickly when nosediving in the Prem, as he found at Norwich. We have exactly the type of players Farke can bring the best out of with his dynamic, fluid and attacking style of football. It’s exciting to watch. Massive mutual respect between him and Ampadu too which has allowed Amps to finally excel. Ambitious as it may be, I’d even consider approaching Farke and Leeds about him doing the Wales job part time. Lower wage also due to part time basis. He didn't have the players at Norwich, but with the 49ers backing them, I think think they will be a different proposition this time around. As you say, they play exciting football, and Farke seems to be ice-cool during a game. I often wondered why he didn't make any changes when a game was going against them, but they would invariably go on and win the match or rescue a point. He is a manager who has a total belief in his team and playing system, and he is also great at managing his players individually. If you bought into his methods the rewards are huge, e.g. James, Ampadu & Rodon. The way he dealt with the Sinisterra (sold), Gnonto (apology) & Cresswell (reformed) situations are a good example of his management style - i.e. do it his way or you're out.
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Post by athenempadu on Mar 27, 2024 15:31:53 GMT
Osian with Ramsey/Bellamy/Bale/etc as his assistant. With young players like Koumas, Crew, Beck, Harris & Colwill coming through, I think a fresh start with new thinking is the way forward for us. As I see it, we are about to transition into a new 'golden generation' and we have to get this right. I think you can add 17 year old Swansea player Parker at RWB to that list. He did enough in the few games he played before picking up a long term injury to indicate he has a very bright future for club and Country. There are more coming through the age groups than the ones I mentioned, I just just gave a few examples off the top of my head, and that's why it's important to get the right management structure in place now.
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Post by athenempadu on Mar 27, 2024 16:00:37 GMT
Maybe what he needs is a tactically shrewd assistant with the necessary authority to advise/tell him when changes need to be made in-game. If he needs a tactically shrewd assistant with the necessary authority to advise/tell him when changes need to be made in-game, then he isn't the right person to be the manager IMO.
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Post by welshrover on Mar 27, 2024 16:20:10 GMT
Taking last night out of the equation I feel that supporters have a right to question the continuation of Rob Page.
Nearly half the teams in Europe are going to Germany and even with a "second chance" with two home play offs, we are not.
When you take into account some of the 31 who are not going there are quite a few "make weights" to discount and of course Russia not invited.
Whilst I realise for decades we never qualified, in the modern era with tournament expansion I feel that this is an opportunity missed.
I sincerely hope it doesn't have a knock on effect and "brave failure" won't become the new norm.
Personally as invested supporters I feel we should question on and off field decisions.
This is by no means a knee jerk reaction if you read back over the years I have never been a fan of Rob's style of play / methods. I didn't really want to use the term "out of his depth" but it has been the case tactically on numerous occasions.
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Post by conwy10 on Mar 27, 2024 16:29:24 GMT
I am sick of people continuously calling for Page's head no matter the performance or results without an ounce of nuance. They need to grow up and stop being so spoiled Most would have said being a shootout away from the Euros in our first campaign without Bale and Ramsey would be a realistic scenario, and yet some people out there are acting as if we came last in the group or something I wouldn't say spoilt. We are a critic which everyone invested in anything is allowed to be. I will say I don't mind either way, although I was a massively against him until the last few matches the last 2 matches has showed enough for me. I know people will get annoyed bringing up Armenia, but if we'd beaten them twice and came third to a very good Turkey and Croatia who are just simply better than us before losing on pens to Poland I'd be accepting of it. Those results were the issue for me. Part of the reason I'm worried about Page is he's been in a decent amount of time and has given us JJ, who else has he made a part of this team? Giggs bought through the majority of this team and I'm not really a fan of him either for other reasons. Page needs to stick his neck out and give some players a chance. 3-1 up against Finland, could we give Savage a run out? Or Da Silva? Our pool is so limited.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 27, 2024 16:31:01 GMT
I am sick of people continuously calling for Page's head no matter the performance or results without an ounce of nuance. They need to grow up and stop being so spoiled
Most would have said being a shootout away from the Euros in our first campaign without Bale and Ramsey would be a realistic scenario, and yet some people out there are acting as if we came last in the group or something I think there's more to this than results and performances. Fans have become increasingly frustrated at the constant excuses (vaild or invalid), and his lack of accountability. I can't recall a time where he's actually shown any real responsibility for results or performances, it's always the same excuses - players not playing enough, we're a small country, we're in transition, we've lost Bale etc etc. He comes across as having a bit of an ego in the way he cannot accept blame. He's been in charge for a decent amount of time now, and there's been zero improvement in how he approaches or manages games. Fans have had enough of watching car crash performances unfold where a manager simply cannot make positive changes, or sometimes, no changes at all. When we put in car crash performances that's fair enough, but they haven't actually been that frequent. Iran, Armenia x2 and maybe one or two others. But for everyone of these you can list a great performance too. I do think his game management isn't the best & definitely a weakness, but he gets asked questions and has to give diplomatic answers hence the "excuses" - what else is he meant to say when he's asked?
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Post by winsumluzsum on Mar 27, 2024 16:33:00 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68675626So there will be a review of the campaign, as standard. Great, but who will conduct this? I hope it's not Page, as marking your own scorecard is never a good idea. I'm guessing it may be David Adams, which is fine as it goes. But I still think some external input would be valuable, and something an ope minded manager would welcome. Graham Potter would be perfect, given his innovative approach tactically, and also given he will have worked with Adams in his Swansea days. A fresh pair of eyes can only be a good thing. Otherwise group think and unchallenged ideas can lead to stagnation.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 27, 2024 16:39:30 GMT
I am sick of people continuously calling for Page's head no matter the performance or results without an ounce of nuance. They need to grow up and stop being so spoiled People who have different opinions to you aren't spoiled and there's plenty of valid reasons for wanting him out. Namely his inability to make the correct tactical decisions during a match. I've not seen you give someone with an opposing view the time of day. You need to accept that not everyone has the same opinion as you do. This is the new norm, we expect more from ourselves because we are better than we were when we weren't qualifying. It's not even like we got a tough draw this time, Turkey just got pumped by Austria and Croatia were atrocious this campaign. We picked up 1 point against Armenia, that's where it was lost. Despite that, we were still handed playoffs where we played 2 home games and we still couldn't qualify. That smacks of failure. I haven't got an issue with people who want him out. You've misunderstood me There are people who have been incessantly calling for his head since our elimination from the World Cup - you must agree that calling for his head at that point is borderline ridiculous? Then we started the campaign well but didn't beat Latvia by enough goals according to some so again more calls for his head - again ridiculous Then the Armenia-Turkey double header which were the first genuine calls for his head imo. At this point I thought he had lost the players and the fans so was ready to see him go myself. It looked like the World Cup performances were becoming the pattern, so I said it was time for him to go Then he turned it around with the Korea- Latvia results, followed by the Croatia-Gibraltar results, but all through this period there was a lot of people calling for his head still When it fell out of our hands against Armenia again more calls for his head, even though it was obvious he'd take us into the playoffs. I saw people saying before this double header he needs to be sacked even if we qualify! So in summary there has been a vocal minority who have in my opinion childishly called for his head every camp since the WC - those of the people I was directing my post at I don't have a strong opinion on whether he should stay or go, but anyone saying not qualifying without Bale/Ramsey on 1st attempt is a stackable offence is coming across as massively spoiled imo. We all want qualification, but it's not necessarily realistic every single time
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Post by athenempadu on Mar 27, 2024 16:48:08 GMT
I think there's more to this than results and performances. Fans have become increasingly frustrated at the constant excuses (vaild or invalid), and his lack of accountability. I can't recall a time where he's actually shown any real responsibility for results or performances, it's always the same excuses - players not playing enough, we're a small country, we're in transition, we've lost Bale etc etc. He comes across as having a bit of an ego in the way he cannot accept blame. He's been in charge for a decent amount of time now, and there's been zero improvement in how he approaches or manages games. Fans have had enough of watching car crash performances unfold where a manager simply cannot make positive changes, or sometimes, no changes at all. When we put in car crash performances that's fair enough, but they haven't actually been that frequent. Iran, Armenia x2 and maybe one or two others. But for everyone of these you can list a great performance too. I do think his game management isn't the best & definitely a weakness, but he gets asked questions and has to give diplomatic answers hence the "excuses" - what else is he meant to say when he's asked? You have just highlighted our problem - we are inconsistent, and inconsistency is never rewarded in football.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 27, 2024 16:49:59 GMT
I am sick of people continuously calling for Page's head no matter the performance or results without an ounce of nuance. They need to grow up and stop being so spoiled Most would have said being a shootout away from the Euros in our first campaign without Bale and Ramsey would be a realistic scenario, and yet some people out there are acting as if we came last in the group or something I wouldn't say spoilt. We are a critic which everyone invested in anything is allowed to be. I will say I don't mind either way, although I was a massively against him until the last few matches the last 2 matches has showed enough for me. I know people will get annoyed bringing up Armenia, but if we'd beaten them twice and came third to a very good Turkey and Croatia who are just simply better than us before losing on pens to Poland I'd be accepting of it. Those results were the issue for me. Part of the reason I'm worried about Page is he's been in a decent amount of time and has given us JJ, who else has he made a part of this team? Giggs bought through the majority of this team and I'm not really a fan of him either for other reasons. Page needs to stick his neck out and give some players a chance. 3-1 up against Finland, could we give Savage a run out? Or Da Silva? Our pool is so limited. It's fine to be critical and be of the opinion he should go. It's the types who screech PAGE OUT no matter what happens that irk me I'm pretty sure Page has brought through Brennan as well - although anyone would. JJ has been his biggest breakthrough The Slovakia friendly will be welcome as it would be good to see Dasilva, Savage, Colwill, Joe Low
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 27, 2024 16:50:53 GMT
When we put in car crash performances that's fair enough, but they haven't actually been that frequent. Iran, Armenia x2 and maybe one or two others. But for everyone of these you can list a great performance too. I do think his game management isn't the best & definitely a weakness, but he gets asked questions and has to give diplomatic answers hence the "excuses" - what else is he meant to say when he's asked? You have just highlighted our problem - we are inconsistent, and inconsistency is never rewarded in football. We've been more consistent since the Armenia-Turkey double header. I think that's why Page will keep his job. The only bad performance/result since then has been Armenia away
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Post by athenempadu on Mar 27, 2024 16:55:28 GMT
You have just highlighted our problem - we are inconsistent, and inconsistency is never rewarded in football. We've been more consistent since the Armenia-Turkey double header. I think that's why Page will keep his job. The only bad performance/result since then has been Armenia away The Armenia games were enough to derail us. Consistency is key if we want to progress.
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Post by aberbeeg on Mar 27, 2024 17:05:19 GMT
Extremely naive from the FAW to not offer a full open review of our campaign. Stinks of being money driven given Page is the cheap option.
Why don’t we ever think out of the box? We are a tiny country so why do we think the next best manager needs to be Welsh ? How many successful Welsh football managers has there been in the past 50 years? We so often limit and restrict ourselves by being so narrow minded
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Post by vvm on Mar 27, 2024 17:23:07 GMT
We need to take this next nations league campaign very seriously now. We're currently ranked 16th in Europe and need to stay in that top 20 to achieve second seeds in the world cup qualifying group. No idea how these recent results will affect that but I suspect Poland will overtake us at least.
Winning our nations league group would hopefully provide us with a playoff safety net again so there is a lot to play for this year in my opinion.
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Post by aberbeeg on Mar 27, 2024 17:25:31 GMT
Rob Page has plenty of questions to answer after penalty shootout heartbreak... with the talent at his disposal Wales should not have needed a play-off to qualify for the EurosAs usual, Rob Page was boundlessly positive in the face of defeat. 'Everything's fine. Everything's great,' he on Tuesday night said of his relationship with some of his Wales FA bosses, who less than six months ago were suggesting his contract would be reviewed if the country didn't qualify for the European Championship automatically.
The country haven't qualified for the European Championship at all, following the shootout defeat by Poland. And though Page painted a picture of himself as a central character in what happens next, he has some uncomfortable questions to answer today about his management of that game. Though Poland were a far stronger proposition than Finland, who Wales had beaten to reach Tuesday night's eliminator, most managers would have been desperate to replicate the most eye-catching part of the 4-1 win against them: the pace and interlinking of strikers Harry Wilson, Brennan Johnson, David Brooks and substitute Daniel James, which clearly terrified the Finns.Page was restricted. Brooks had been ill over the weekend and was on the bench. But that doesn't explain why the manager wound up bringing on James, full of confidence after his destructive exposition of pace against the Finns, as a wing back, at a time in the game when the Poles were tiring....And why Tottenham's Brennan Johnson, who had been a threat, was substituted early.
You would have thought footballing curiosity might have left Page wanting to set Johnson and James together to run against a defence which had put in a major shift. But these awkward questions of game management seem to get lost in the grand sweep of the Wales story, as told by him.
For those Wales fans who travelled to Qatar at great expense, the memory of Iran sweeping through the vast spaces left open in Wales' midfield, during the World Cup group stage defeat, will take some forgetting.
Yet here Page is, talking transitionary periods and the new generation when we have to ask: wouldn't that Wales side have beaten Poland under a different manager......Kieffer Moore looked less and less likely to score as the game went on, yet Page gave him the full 120 minutes. Substitute Brooks, who opened the scoring against Finland, was himself substituted, which was also puzzling.
It's hard to get any real understanding of Page's method or philosophy because he has never sat down to discuss either in depth. Despite Wales' part in the delayed 2020 Euros and last World Cup, we are no closer to a comprehension of him because his media appearances in both were so brief.
There's no overwhelming sense that the FAW suits are in a hurry to remove Page, though fans are less tranquil. Some who saw Wales lose 4-2 at home to Armenia - world ranking: 97 - and fail to win in the country's capital, Yerevan, in the qualifying campaign, still believe he should go now.
They look at Steve Clarke's Scotland - defeating Norway and even Spain on the way to comfortable Euros qualification - and wonder whether Page's strategic and tactical nous is really good enough.? Page's future may become clearer after the Nations League games, against Turkey, Iceland and Montenegro, which come next for Wales this autumn. The 2026 World Cup campaign then follows. Expanded to 48 teams, it's a tournament Wales will not want to miss out.
'We are going somewhere. There is something good happening with this group,' Page said on Tuesday night, though many are coming around to the view that Wales could quite easily reach that destination without him.
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Post by iot on Mar 27, 2024 17:29:08 GMT
I am sick of people continuously calling for Page's head no matter the performance or results without an ounce of nuance. They need to grow up and stop being so spoiled People who have different opinions to you aren't spoiled and there's plenty of valid reasons for wanting him out. Namely his inability to make the correct tactical decisions during a match. I've not seen you give someone with an opposing view the time of day. You need to accept that not everyone has the same opinion as you do. This is the new norm, we expect more from ourselves because we are better than we were when we weren't qualifying. It's not even like we got a tough draw this time, Turkey just got pumped by Austria and Croatia were atrocious this campaign. We picked up 1 point against Armenia, that's where it was lost. Despite that, we were still handed playoffs where we played 2 home games and we still couldn't qualify. That smacks of failure. In the same way people are free to opine that Page should be sacked (and they don't half go on about it!), others are allowed to feel that a lot of petulance, unrealistic expectations, and yes spoilt-like attitudes have crept into the fanbase. It's the price of success over the last 10 years where we've overachieved. We've now lost some stardust and are left with a group of predominantly very good Championship players, but most fans think it's our God-given right to qualify, and that coming up just short is a massive failure. Judging Page over the two campaigns - he did very well to get us to the World Cup - an overachievement and a historic success, and then he's slightly underachieved in coming up just short in these qualifiers. I'm sorry - but I was saying this at the time, we did not get an easy draw - it was always going to be about who came out in the third and fourth pots, and having Turkey as the fourth was about the worst we could have got. I was not confident that we'd top them and Croatia -I thought at the time it would be a toss-up between us and Turkey. While they're not world beaters, we're not either. Honestly, the way some fans go on you'd think we still had prime Bale and Ramsey in the squad. I know people will see this as a defeatist 'little old Wales' mentality, but I just think fan expectation has significantly exceeded the reality of what we currently have in the squad. Someone shared a Polish article before the game where they were clearly confident and went on about how they had the better players. Other countries haven't heard of most of our players. People should think about why that is. A reality check is needed. I'm sure in a parallel universe where we've gone with a different manager and we don't all of a sudden see a massive upswing in results and performances, those fans bleating on at every opportunity about the need to get rid of the manager would not have the humility to admit or acknowledge that it may not have been the issue in the first place, and possibly more to do with the quality of player available to us.
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Post by iot on Mar 27, 2024 17:36:50 GMT
I am sick of people continuously calling for Page's head no matter the performance or results without an ounce of nuance. They need to grow up and stop being so spoiled
Most would have said being a shootout away from the Euros in our first campaign without Bale and Ramsey would be a realistic scenario, and yet some people out there are acting as if we came last in the group or something I think there's more to this than results and performances. Fans have become increasingly frustrated at the constant excuses (vaild or invalid), and his lack of accountability. I can't recall a time where he's actually shown any real responsibility for results or performances, it's always the same excuses - players not playing enough, we're a small country, we're in transition, we've lost Bale etc etc. He comes across as having a bit of an ego in the way he cannot accept blame. He's been in charge for a decent amount of time now, and there's been zero improvement in how he approaches or manages games. Fans have had enough of watching car crash performances unfold where a manager simply cannot make positive changes, or sometimes, no changes at all. Yeah I somewhat agree with the first para. While I essentially agree with Page that we shouldn't expect to qualify for every tournament, it's not a message he should be coming out with publicly or within the dressing room - the constant references to us being 'a country of 3mn' and the aim is to be within touching distance by the end of the campaign. Think it would do a lot more good for him to be bolder and try to instil confidence. Also agree that this whole 'team in transition' thing is a stretch to say the least, even if moving on from Bale, Allen, and in reality Rambo is a big change from just a couple of years ago.
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Post by athenempadu on Mar 27, 2024 17:48:19 GMT
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Post by 1gwaunview on Mar 27, 2024 19:33:19 GMT
Looks like it's Page for the foreseeable future as the FAW seem content for now. Poor results in the Nations League might hasten his departure, but I think he'll see out his contract, given the strength of support he seems to have from the players.
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Post by Belle Vue on Mar 27, 2024 19:49:58 GMT
Can’t afford to ‘pay him up ‘ 450k a year 2 and a half years left on his contract We can work the rest out !!
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Post by conwy10 on Mar 27, 2024 20:16:07 GMT
I wouldn't say spoilt. We are a critic which everyone invested in anything is allowed to be. I will say I don't mind either way, although I was a massively against him until the last few matches the last 2 matches has showed enough for me. I know people will get annoyed bringing up Armenia, but if we'd beaten them twice and came third to a very good Turkey and Croatia who are just simply better than us before losing on pens to Poland I'd be accepting of it. Those results were the issue for me. Part of the reason I'm worried about Page is he's been in a decent amount of time and has given us JJ, who else has he made a part of this team? Giggs bought through the majority of this team and I'm not really a fan of him either for other reasons. Page needs to stick his neck out and give some players a chance. 3-1 up against Finland, could we give Savage a run out? Or Da Silva? Our pool is so limited. It's fine to be critical and be of the opinion he should go. It's the types who screech PAGE OUT no matter what happens that irk me I'm pretty sure Page has brought through Brennan as well - although anyone would. JJ has been his biggest breakthrough The Slovakia friendly will be welcome as it would be good to see Dasilva, Savage, Colwill, Joe Low I can't remember with Brennan, didn't Giggs cap him first? Wasn't sure how many he got under Giggs. Page did cap a few against Gibraltar, probably will against Slovakia too, but friendlies are a bit of glorified training. I just never got why even at 4-1 bring on Savage vs Finland for 3 mins. Let him get 2 touches and be in the atmosphere of a big match.
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Post by surge on Mar 27, 2024 20:40:51 GMT
I don't think Page always helps himself in the way he communicates through the press and have some questions about his capacity as a manager.
I do think he's getting better as a manager though and think some of the criticism is unfair and not acknowledging the facts.
E.g. Armenia at home was such a massive turning point in this group (especially as Turkey beat Latvia with 90+5 mins goal on same day) and main problem, imo, was Page going 4-1-4-1 as had become his go-to when needing a win leaving us vulnerable to counters. But apart from Ampadu what were our options at that time? Some may say Morrell but he had played once in a month prior to that game (then was off the pace away in Turkey) some may say Allen but he was in poor shape at that time so what do you do? Some are saying he definitely should have brought on Da Silva yesterday or Sheehan or Ramsey but I don't think this is realistic and massive risk given the circumstances.
Not sure I would call our fans spoilt but there are some who communicate their disappointment through OTT criticism or being too keen to believe outside critical voices when they may have their facts wrong.
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Post by athenempadu on Mar 27, 2024 20:51:58 GMT
I don't think Page always helps himself in the way he communicates through the press and have some questions about his capacity as a manager. I do think he's getting better as a manager though and think some of the criticism is unfair and not acknowledging the facts. E.g. Armenia at home was such a massive turning point in this group (especially as Turkey beat Latvia with 90+5 mins goal on same day) and main problem, imo, was Page going 4-1-4-1 as had become his go-to when needing a win leaving us vulnerable to counters. But apart from Ampadu what were our options at that time? Some may say Morrell but he had played once in a month prior to that game (then was off the pace away in Turkey) some may say Allen but he was in poor shape at that time so what do you do? Some are saying he definitely should have brought on Da Silva yesterday or Sheehan or Ramsey but I don't think this is realistic and massive risk given the circumstances. Not sure I would call our fans spoilt but there are some who communicate their disappointment through OTT criticism or being too keen to believe outside critical voices when they may have their facts wrong. What infuriated me about the away game to Turkey was that young lad Guler, who was given the freedom of the park to score a wonder goal us. Intrigued, I googled him and discovered that he had already agreed to join Real Madrid, and I also found carbon copy videos of that exact same goal he scored against us! It took me seconds to find out that this was his party trick, and it made me wonder how thoroughly we vet the opposition teams before we play against them.
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Post by conwy10 on Mar 27, 2024 20:57:02 GMT
I don't think Page always helps himself in the way he communicates through the press and have some questions about his capacity as a manager. I do think he's getting better as a manager though and think some of the criticism is unfair and not acknowledging the facts. E.g. Armenia at home was such a massive turning point in this group (especially as Turkey beat Latvia with 90+5 mins goal on same day) and main problem, imo, was Page going 4-1-4-1 as had become his go-to when needing a win leaving us vulnerable to counters. But apart from Ampadu what were our options at that time? Some may say Morrell but he had played once in a month prior to that game (then was off the pace away in Turkey) some may say Allen but he was in poor shape at that time so what do you do? Some are saying he definitely should have brought on Da Silva yesterday or Sheehan or Ramsey but I don't think this is realistic and massive risk given the circumstances. Not sure I would call our fans spoilt but there are some who communicate their disappointment through OTT criticism or being too keen to believe outside critical voices when they may have their facts wrong. Have people called for Da Silva or Sheehan to be subbed on last night? 3-1 up against Finland with 15 mims left is a bit different though. Can't see too many wanting a wildcard in a playoff final. I wanted Ramsey on for pens, I know last time he did for Rangers it didn't end well, but still.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Mar 27, 2024 22:00:55 GMT
Looks like it's Page for the foreseeable future as the FAW seem content for now. Poor results in the Nations League might hasten his departure, but I think he'll see out his contract, given the strength of support he seems to have from the players. He'd may as well have the WC campaign if he gets the nations league. There's not enough time to really get someone in and fully ingrained before the WC otherwise. Now is the opportune moment but the FAW are dropping the ball, so we'll have to get behind Page. Least it isn't Nathan Jones, eh? I'd probably boycott if we hired him.
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Post by zserty on Mar 27, 2024 22:16:16 GMT
I don't think Page always helps himself in the way he communicates through the press and have some questions about his capacity as a manager. I do think he's getting better as a manager though and think some of the criticism is unfair and not acknowledging the facts. E.g. Armenia at home was such a massive turning point in this group (especially as Turkey beat Latvia with 90+5 mins goal on same day) and main problem, imo, was Page going 4-1-4-1 as had become his go-to when needing a win leaving us vulnerable to counters. But apart from Ampadu what were our options at that time? Some may say Morrell but he had played once in a month prior to that game (then was off the pace away in Turkey) some may say Allen but he was in poor shape at that time so what do you do? Some are saying he definitely should have brought on Da Silva yesterday or Sheehan or Ramsey but I don't think this is realistic and massive risk given the circumstances. Not sure I would call our fans spoilt but there are some who communicate their disappointment through OTT criticism or being too keen to believe outside critical voices when they may have their facts wrong. Have people called for Da Silva or Sheehan to be subbed on last night? 3-1 up against Finland with 15 mims left is a bit different though. Can't see too many wanting a wildcard in a playoff final. I wanted Ramsey on for pens, I know last time he did for Rangers it didn't end well, but still. Yes he shouldve brought a fullback on. He nullified our threat of Dan James pace and had him filling in a role he isnt exactly adept at. Ive criticised Ramsey before, but i dont see why he didnt come on for Brooks. Less than 10 to go. Would've been a definite penalty taker and experiece when legs out there were flagging. I just can't see how we move forward or improve with Page, realistically as we have seen the vast majority want him out and it wouldve been the perfect time for a clean break.
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Post by iot on Mar 27, 2024 22:56:01 GMT
Dylan Ebenezer putting the scale of the challenge into perspective here, suggesting the likes of Cooper and Edwards are on ca. £2m per year (Forest essentially bought out Cooper's contract remember), while the FAW pay about 10% of that according to him (I think they went up to close to £400k for Giggs, but still just 20% in low prem salary terms). So yeah on reflection, I don't think they're attainable tbh
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