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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2011 19:32:41 GMT
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Speechless. Absolutely speechless.
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Post by squatter1 on Aug 10, 2011 19:45:42 GMT
I say it again. Earnie up front alone is an elementary error. Elementary. He has to put Morrison on. HAS TO!!
Gabbs and Williams must have set a passing-between-two-defenders-in-one-half record.
Occassional signs in midfield but Ledley poor.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2011 19:50:48 GMT
Speed is not a manager so its not really an elementary error ;D
Still, at least everyone turned up.
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Post by walrus on Aug 10, 2011 19:59:46 GMT
Yes, speechless indeed. Bale and Ramsey not a hair out of place. Nothing has changed.
Alright here we go second half: No Ramsey....injury? Bale on to the right wing Bellamy on the right.At last Speed showing he's got oxygen going to the brain.
Bellamy looking exhausted after all the fouling and swearing he put in first half. Bale looking a bit dazed and disoriented thinking the 1st half is still going.
Australia playing at 80 % and doing it easy. Zullo Mc Kay Wilkshire Valeri Kruse (who) all outplaying their well known opposition.
Shameful
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Post by walrus on Aug 10, 2011 20:03:57 GMT
2-0 my worst fears coming true. Australia ALWAYS turn up. Wales never do. Aus in control can Wales wake up and show anything? Get the barry horns on. Why are they stuck in the corner?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2011 20:09:52 GMT
But thats just it Walrus. Everyone was banging on about how we should be beating Australia because we have a load of household names on our team sheet but its pure ignorance of how football actually works.
This team were playing us off the park in the 1st half and they werent even out of 1st gear because, as you say, they may not have any superstars but they turn up and they are a cohesive team unit with a proper strategy that suits the quality of their players. They beat Germany 1-0 in March and have only conceded 3 goals in their last 10 and we should be beating them?!
They dont fuck about with it at the back like we do, thats for certain. Simple passing, nothing complicated, defence to attack and a shot on goal.
With all our premiership 'stars' we could only dream of playing like that. A lot of it is down to our tactics. The players are always looking for a backward pass and its an absolute piece of piss to play against. We have so much pace we should be playing on the break more, looking for an early pass but that seems to be an alien concept to Speed. Its all about making passes for the sake of it, just like it was under Tosh.
I tell you what, Hughesy would have this lot playing. It may not be pretty but it would not be as one sided as tonights farce.
Our first shot didnt arrive until the start of the 2nd half!!
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Post by cilmeri on Aug 10, 2011 20:14:35 GMT
On the positive the faroes are also losing.....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2011 20:19:42 GMT
On the positive the faroes are also losing..... Does that make us pot 5 now as we got a better result on goal difference against a higher ranked side? ;D |
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Post by walrus on Aug 10, 2011 20:31:20 GMT
Pot 7 after this!
Yes a long way to go Storm. Wales are far from being a cohesive unit. Very little effective pressing without the ball. Far too slow in building the attacks. The link progression of he ball from back through the middle and finally to the attacking third is ponderous at best.Attitude to friendlies abysmal from the star players. Little Joe Allen looked like he knew what to do when he came on. Ledley? what happened to this guy he was awful. Looks like a pub player. Dave Jones really developed him didn't he!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2011 20:38:54 GMT
Pot 7 after this! Yes a long way to go Storm. Wales are far from being a cohesive unit. Very little effective pressing without the ball. Far too slow in building the attacks. The link progression of he ball from back through the middle and finally to the attacking third is ponderous at best.Attitude to friendlies abysmal from the star players. Little Joe Allen looked like he knew what to do when he came on. Ledley? what happened to this guy he was awful. Looks like a pub player. Dave Jones really developed him didn't he! Im going to get caned for this, but yer tis: I think we were much better with Ramsey off the pitch. He is one of the main reasons that the pace is so slow. See the difference when Allen and Matthews come on. Thats what you want to see, eagerness to get the ball down and not fuck about. We were so impressive in the last 10 minutes, we have to go forwad like that and seriously consider if Ramsey is what we need. I dont think there were problems with Bellamy and Bales attitude- they responded when the tempo picked up. The problem is I have no confidence in Speed learning any lessons. Tosh was too stubborn to learn, Speed is just an idiot. Earnie up top? Didnt he try that to little success 5 matches ago?! Nevermind Tosh and Hughes trying it over the last 10 years! |
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Post by walrus on Aug 10, 2011 20:42:40 GMT
Well on this evidence (was he fit) Ramsey was a passenger in that position. I have said before that i would have him inside left or right to play with Bale as a combo. Allen and Matthews are what we need if they are willing to inject some i ntensity into the game.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2011 20:48:51 GMT
Well on this evidence (was he fit) Ramsey was a passenger in that position. I have said before that i would have him inside left or right to play with Bale as a combo. Allen and Matthews are what we need if they are willing to inject some i ntensity into the game. Spot on, the players seemed to vibe off Allen, Mathhews and Colisons energy and ability to play at a high tempo and they raised their game Ramsey seems to be 100% an Arsenal player in the sense that he strolls around the pitch and his play reflects that. Arsenal can play at that tempo and still pull teams apart, its patently obvious we need players who can play with more speed. Quite simply the players who finished should start against Montenegro and they should start at the same ffycin tempo!! |
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Post by saints19 on Aug 10, 2011 21:25:54 GMT
Could it be that we simply looked better in the last ten minutes because Australia took their foot off the gas?
I did think Collison improved us a bit and Allen played a couple of nice passes. But that could just be because they were fresh legs when the Aussies were easing down.
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Post by raptor on Aug 10, 2011 22:00:30 GMT
Just got back, nothings changed.
Still no striker.
Still no defenders.
Allen big plus for his cameo.
Most players looked like they havent had a preseason.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2011 22:16:05 GMT
Just got back, nothings changed. Still no striker. Still no defenders. Allen big plus for his cameo. Most players looked like they havent had a preseason. I think you are being very kind to Speed there Raptor. The evidence was there at the end that we can cause teams problems if the players are used right. If our defence is not so great then why make the focal point of our game plan to give the ball to the centre backs at every opportunity? We should be playing the game in their half! |
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Post by muaythai on Aug 10, 2011 22:56:03 GMT
we are shit end of, no more excuses we are a joke anyone who says otherwise is deluded, Speed hasnt a clue, speed out now as far as i am concerned!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2011 23:56:40 GMT
we are shit end of, no more excuses we are a joke anyone who says otherwise is deluded, Speed hasnt a clue, speed out now as far as i am concerned! exactly. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2011 0:00:24 GMT
That last 10 minutes was positive- Australia were not at all comfortable during it so we can get at teams.
The problem is that our tactics in those 10 minutes were totally the opposite to what we normally get with Speed- he is holding us back. We could be much better with these players if they were allowed to stop fannying about.
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Post by thedon on Aug 11, 2011 0:05:43 GMT
Agree with storm,When we went at them we really gave them problems and they didn't seem to be able to live with us,The problem we have was that we was slow and negative to start with,We simply aren't going to trouble any teams if we don't have any shots on goal and barely venture out of our half,Far far to negative,Having the ball is fine,but when you don't do anything with it then it becomes almost self serving,Australia were content for us to have the ball and pressured us high up the pitch because they knew we was not going to do anything with the posession we had,Very disappointing considering the attacking talent we had on the pitch,We must have more get up and go in the team,A quality we should have in abundance considering the age of the team.
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Post by squatter1 on Aug 11, 2011 8:14:03 GMT
Can't agree about Ramsey - not a great game for him, but insane to think of dropping the lad.
We had almost our strongest lineup out, but speed didn't come close to make it work. Clanger no1 was earnie up top. This meant that a) the aussies could press really high up the pitch cos they knew there was no outlet long ball for our defence. b) because there was no outlet long ball available, the defence tried to play it short always. But because of a) and the fact that for the first 15mins ledley and Vaughan weren't coming short enough to take the ball off the defence (another managerial blooper), the defence could only pass it among themselves before losing it.
It's no coincidence our best spell was when morrison was on the pitch - not cos he's a better player than earnie necessarily, but because of the type of player - he offers an outlet ball, and he occupies defences. I love earnie, but I dont believe he made a single pass/header/dribble/lay off/shot in the opposition half. Not one. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Positives: collison, bale right/bellars left, Matthews, Allen, Vaughan, williams long diagonal passing to bale 2nd half.
Players out: ledley, Gunter, earnie, gabbidon. Players in: collison, Matthews, Morison, Collins.
These players are wasted on speed. It's a pity to see such a great international player for us humiliate himself so.
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Post by flynnfan on Aug 11, 2011 9:42:55 GMT
'These players are wasted on speed.'
Judging by the first half performance it looks more like they're wasted on a cocktail of weed and tranquilisers.
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Post by caradocevans on Aug 11, 2011 9:48:37 GMT
Ramsey was isolated and quickly closed down. He needs more support - too often his only option was a pass back to the centre-halves. He didn't have a good half but dropping him would be insanity. Allen, Matthews and Taylor all plusses, for me.
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Post by yrarglwyddlucan on Aug 11, 2011 10:09:01 GMT
"Allen, Matthews and Taylor all plusses, for me".
But you don't know your left from your right.
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Post by caradocevans on Aug 11, 2011 10:16:22 GMT
"Allen, Matthews and Taylor all plusses, for me". But you don't know your left from your right. ;D I don't know my arse from my elbow either. You're being a bit harsh on Taylor. |
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Post by yrarglwyddlucan on Aug 11, 2011 12:15:19 GMT
"You're being a bit harsh on Taylor."
He seemed to be getting no protection. There was no left side in front of him, odd considering that Bale, Ledley, Vaughan (and Gabbidon) are all southpaws. Taylor was made to look incompetent by what was in front of him and his own incompetence.
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