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Post by bale-droed on Aug 12, 2010 16:42:45 GMT
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Post by Tim P on Aug 12, 2010 16:51:33 GMT
dave jones is a rat.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2010 18:57:54 GMT
The scots have far more reason to have that attitude as they have their own league structure. We are rag bag wales and have to cut our cloth as best we can.
I have no problem with it- I want to see us get to a finals and we simply cannot draw upon a pool of talented welsh born players to achieve that aim.
Get as many people capped a we can, sort the wheat from the chaff and pick the best XI available at the time be they born in wales or anglo.
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Post by Tim P on Aug 12, 2010 19:09:25 GMT
i'm not comfortable with such a broad remit as 'capping as many as we can' - but i feel better about bringing in dual-quals on the grounds that our stellar players are all Welsh through and through; bellamy, ramsey, bale.
if i was to pick a strongest team, eight would be Welsh born 'n' raised - that's not too hard to swallow.
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Post by flynnfan on Aug 12, 2010 19:44:28 GMT
The big difference now is that we're getting to the dual qualified players a lot, lot younger. They seem to be coming through the age group system now, and feeling as much pride in playing for Wales as the born and bred Welshmen- It's not just players in their mid 20s who see a few games of international football as a bit of a career boost.
The race is on for the player to be the first Anglo- Welshman to really make the Ingurlish press say 'how the hell did we miss him?' Obviously Collison has been the big favourite for this title, but Andy King might slowly be catching up... He looks like a premiership player in waiting.
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Post by bale-droed on Aug 12, 2010 20:21:07 GMT
i can remember previous things you have said an its because he is now mid 20,s and hasnt declared. but eastwood,thatcher and even steve morison and also ashely williams how old was he when he had his first cap? all of them surely knew if a grandparent came from wales. they might of just been hanging on to see if a cap for england was possible one day then gave up and thought ah ill declare for wales. theyve only made the squad stronger. so dave jones again would only help increase midfield options. he wouldnt be our first choice no but strength in depth he would add.
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Post by bale-droed on Aug 12, 2010 20:35:01 GMT
wouldn't scotland stand a much better chance of qualfying if bardsley,carroll and if agbonlahor chose them over england and stuart holden them over usa. im sure most scotland fans would take them of they could!
were doing it and look stronger
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Post by Tim P on Aug 12, 2010 20:48:11 GMT
i can remember previous things you have said an its because he is now mid 20,s and hasnt declared. but eastwood,thatcher and even steve morison and also ashely williams how old was he when he had his first cap? all of them surely knew if a grandparent came from wales. they might of just been hanging on to see if a cap for england was possible one day then gave up and thought ah ill declare for wales. theyve only made the squad stronger. so dave jones again would only help increase midfield options. he wouldnt be our first choice no but strength in depth he would add. nah, he's a rat. well out of those players: eastwood did okay - but his club form hasn't warranted a call up for the best part of two years. thatcher was a waste of space. the other two were delighted to play for Wales; it is speculative as to what they would have done had they been in any other position, thus pretty irrelevant. dave jones; a rat of epic proportions. maybe him and shawcross can move in together. just two normal Gog lads, plenty of shared interests. |
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Post by newaddingtonwelsh on Aug 12, 2010 21:46:35 GMT
dave jones; a rat of epic proportions. maybe him and shawcross can move in together. just two normal Gog lads, plenty of shared interests.
All us Gog Gods are not like these two
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Post by marsvolta on Aug 12, 2010 21:52:34 GMT
i can remember previous things you have said an its because he is now mid 20,s and hasnt declared. but eastwood,thatcher and even steve morison and also ashely williams how old was he when he had his first cap? all of them surely knew if a grandparent came from wales. they might of just been hanging on to see if a cap for england was possible one day then gave up and thought ah ill declare for wales. theyve only made the squad stronger. so dave jones again would only help increase midfield options. he wouldnt be our first choice no but strength in depth he would add. i agree as far as thatcher is concerned but eastwood,williams and now morison were playing non-league football when they qualified for the u21s so were unlikely to be holding out for england to give them a call. |
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Post by Tim P on Aug 12, 2010 21:54:18 GMT
dave jones; a rat of epic proportions. maybe him and shawcross can move in together. just two normal Gog lads, plenty of shared interests. All us Gog Gods are not like these two i know mate - i am one! |
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Post by marsvolta on Aug 12, 2010 22:02:18 GMT
wouldn't scotland stand a much better chance of qualfying if bardsley,carroll and if agbonlahor chose them over england and stuart holden them over usa. im sure most scotland fans would take them of they could! were doing it and look stronger i wonder if scotland would tip us off if they enquired about a player and found out that he didnt qualify for scotland but did qualify for us(or vice versa) |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2010 23:53:38 GMT
wouldn't scotland stand a much better chance of qualfying if bardsley,carroll and if agbonlahor chose them over england and stuart holden them over usa. im sure most scotland fans would take them of they could! were doing it and look stronger i wonder if scotland would tip us off if they enquired about a player and found out that he didnt qualify for scotland but did qualify for us(or vice versa) Course not, you dont want to make your opposition stronger- we could yet end up in the same group with them and said player scoring a deciding goal. The biggest factor I guess would be whether we had any links with them via Flynny or whoever. I wouldnt have thought we did. |
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Post by bale-droed on Aug 13, 2010 0:08:42 GMT
good point about tipping us off. if a player finds out he has welsh connection though he would tell us surely. It would be bonkers if say jimmy bullard or etc has a welsh gran scotland knew and he didnt! could you imagine a scenario like that!
secondly ashley williams was a man city youngster then to stockport i thought?
i belive i have made a good point. seriously if they try their best and make wales stronger show respect to the shirt then who cares!
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Post by Tim P on Aug 13, 2010 18:17:03 GMT
yes, that i true. but dave jones, the rat, has not shown 'respect to the shirt'; the second you decline a call up on the basis of waiting to weigh up our options, your career with us should be over.
and all this from a lad who has spent his whole life in Wales, has a Welsh father (albiet an uncle tom/dic sion dafydd one). i respect his right to identify himself how he likes, but it is a shocking reflection of the attitude of a minority of Welsh people.
none of the tosh/flynn era players have done that. and i also can't imagine the likes of ramsey, gunter and bellamy ever welcoming that kind of player into what is clearly becomming a pretty close squad.
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Post by marsvolta on Aug 13, 2010 20:54:17 GMT
good point about tipping us off. if a player finds out he has welsh connection though he would tell us surely. It would be bonkers if say jimmy bullard or etc has a welsh gran scotland knew and he didnt! could you imagine a scenario like that! secondly ashley williams was a man city youngster then to stockport i thought? i belive i have made a good point. seriously if they try their best and make wales stronger show respect to the shirt then who cares! ashley williams had a couple of non league seasons with hednesford town before joining stockport. either way,my point stands.i doubt he was waiting for an england call up with stockport. |
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Post by saints19 on Aug 13, 2010 21:28:34 GMT
i wonder if scotland would tip us off if they enquired about a player and found out that he didnt qualify for scotland but did qualify for us(or vice versa) Course not, you dont want to make your opposition stronger- we could yet end up in the same group with them and said player scoring a deciding goal. The biggest factor I guess would be whether we had any links with them via Flynny or whoever. I wouldnt have thought we did. On the other hand, we could probably benefit from some sort of a deal with the Scots, exchanging information and such, if we had the far-sightedness to look beyond the potential risks. Think about it. We will both be researching English-born players' family trees to check for respectively Welsh and Scottish ancestry. A simple, mutually beneficial agreement to exchange information might be very fruitful - if Scotland find a Welsh-qualified player they inform us and vice-versa. The potential risk that we might get drawn against each other in a group and that one of these discoveries might come back to bite us in the backside cannot outweigh the more likely positive scenario, where both sides gain at the expense of continental European teams. Normally we have about a 1 in 7 to 1 in 9 chance of encountering each other (depending on the number of groups in any given qualifying tournament), but given that there are likely to be times that we will be in the same pot of seeds, that possibility decreases further. Really I think we should work with each other, and with Northern Ireland too. We could all gain as a result. |
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