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Post by garynysmon on Apr 24, 2024 12:05:14 GMT
Friday night is going to be a nightmare as a player/away fan. I can’t see it having a positive impact. It will though. It will inconvenience some, sure, but Friday night games are now a proven commodity in terms of improved attendances.
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Post by iantov on Apr 24, 2024 17:43:41 GMT
Friday night is going to be a nightmare as a player/away fan. I can’t see it having a positive impact. It will though. It will inconvenience some, sure, but Friday night games are now a proven commodity in terms of improved attendances. I would agree with this. It gives many people the best of both worlds, Friday night football as a fan and a Saturday as a player or family man. I seem to remember a Llanelli v Ammanford game a few seasons ago on a Friday night drawing a four figure attendance and I would be confident that a large proportion of these would have been playing themselves if the game had been held on the following day.
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Post by conwy10 on Apr 24, 2024 18:15:36 GMT
Positive but if we're wanting results the Mickey mouse clubs have go to go. TNS, Bala, Connahs Quay and Cardiff Met. Regardless of league format, played on any day of the week, in the summer or had Messi and Ronaldo playing for them they just won't get the crowds or interest to be sustainable or sustainable to the level FAW wish. One of the things for me FAW need to realize is they need to treat people as a finite resource and almost like a map of an oil reserves around the stadium. Those clubs I've mentioned they'd have next to nothing. Bala only population of 2000 people. TNS, CQ and Met zero local interest. They're all non starters for drawing in supporters and then in turn potential players, coaches, volunteers and admins etc. Somewhere like Colwyn Bay, Bangor, Rhyl, Barry etc. Their people reserve is far greater. Historically capable of achieving big crowds and in turn generate more local support from people in one capacity or another. These are the clubs FAW should be backing. Ditch the Mickey mouse clubs. How can you reward teams with a high population but a failed approach over low population clubs that know what they're doing? TNS are really investing in their project, have massive plans for their stadium. Bala have a model that works more often than not year in year out. Why should Colwyn Bay be seen as a blueprint for the perfect club in the Cymru Prem? They thought they'd walk the Welsh system and got relegated. Rhyl can't even get out of Tier 3!
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Post by zserty on Apr 24, 2024 19:01:28 GMT
Friday night is going to be a nightmare as a player/away fan. I can’t see it having a positive impact. It will though. It will inconvenience some, sure, but Friday night games are now a proven commodity in terms of improved attendances. Id assume they would do regional friday night games, having teams travel north to south and vice versa would lead to depleted squads and no away fans. Glad they are actually trying some things, give it a few years and maybe promotion from the Cymru south wouldnt actually be too bad a prospect.
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Post by welshrover on Apr 24, 2024 19:38:38 GMT
Positive but if we're wanting results the Mickey mouse clubs have go to go. TNS, Bala, Connahs Quay and Cardiff Met. Regardless of league format, played on any day of the week, in the summer or had Messi and Ronaldo playing for them they just won't get the crowds or interest to be sustainable or sustainable to the level FAW wish. One of the things for me FAW need to realize is they need to treat people as a finite resource and almost like a map of an oil reserves around the stadium. Those clubs I've mentioned they'd have next to nothing. Bala only population of 2000 people. TNS, CQ and Met zero local interest. They're all non starters for drawing in supporters and then in turn potential players, coaches, volunteers and admins etc. Somewhere like Colwyn Bay, Bangor, Rhyl, Barry etc. Their people reserve is far greater. Historically capable of achieving big crowds and in turn generate more local support from people in one capacity or another. These are the clubs FAW should be backing. Ditch the Mickey mouse clubs. How can you reward teams with a high population but a failed approach over low population clubs that know what they're doing? TNS are really investing in their project, have massive plans for their stadium. Bala have a model that works more often than not year in year out. Why should Colwyn Bay be seen as a blueprint for the perfect club in the Cymru Prem? They thought they'd walk the Welsh system and got relegated. Rhyl can't even get out of Tier 3! I don't need reminding of the last statement!
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Post by zserty on Apr 24, 2024 20:11:11 GMT
The only question i have is why do those at the top of this have such a love in for VAR. Get goal line tech in and then leave the officials to do their jobs.
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Post by vvm on Apr 25, 2024 8:44:25 GMT
What plans do TNS have for their stadium?
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Post by gimli on Apr 25, 2024 9:55:43 GMT
Any plans TNS do have for their stadium are completely pointless when they can't draw in more than 200 fans a game.
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Post by talyfan on Apr 25, 2024 10:19:03 GMT
Positive but if we're wanting results the Mickey mouse clubs have go to go. TNS, Bala, Connahs Quay and Cardiff Met. Regardless of league format, played on any day of the week, in the summer or had Messi and Ronaldo playing for them they just won't get the crowds or interest to be sustainable or sustainable to the level FAW wish. One of the things for me FAW need to realize is they need to treat people as a finite resource and almost like a map of an oil reserves around the stadium. Those clubs I've mentioned they'd have next to nothing. Bala only population of 2000 people. TNS, CQ and Met zero local interest. They're all non starters for drawing in supporters and then in turn potential players, coaches, volunteers and admins etc. Somewhere like Colwyn Bay, Bangor, Rhyl, Barry etc. Their people reserve is far greater. Historically capable of achieving big crowds and in turn generate more local support from people in one capacity or another. These are the clubs FAW should be backing. Ditch the Mickey mouse clubs. How can you reward teams with a high population but a failed approach over low population clubs that know what they're doing? TNS are really investing in their project, have massive plans for their stadium. Bala have a model that works more often than not year in year out. Why should Colwyn Bay be seen as a blueprint for the perfect club in the Cymru Prem? They thought they'd walk the Welsh system and got relegated. Rhyl can't even get out of Tier 3! Know what they're doing now. The trouble is they'll become stuck once this investment comes through that they don't have the population or manpower to sustain it. You've got to see the whole league as a product or collective. Seeing empty stadiums, no fans drumming up support at games or online damages the reputation of the league. Imagine this all comes through the likes of Penybont, Barry, Haverfordwest, Aber etc. able to capitalize on the investment. Now that I'm writing might be a good thing. Clubs able to improve and send those rotten clubs to obscurity where they rightfully belong.
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Post by welshrover on Apr 25, 2024 11:03:05 GMT
Friday night is going to be a nightmare as a player/away fan. I can’t see it having a positive impact. Agree totally, basically I have to change 60 years of football watching on a Saturday to accommodate the possibility that a few Liverpool / Man Utd fans may want to come and watch my club on a Friday night. Totally agree also with your reservations about away fans being able to finish work and travel and also your point about the players, most of whom are part time and hold down day jobs. The most long standing trial of Friday night football (Tranmere Rovers) has come to an end and they are back to playing on Saturday with arguably better attendances despite clashing with Everton / Liverpool. Well I hope these casual premiership fans enjoy their visits to the WPL as I think a lot of long standing fans may be lost. I live a good hour from my team and if I was still working I would struggle to get there for kick off and I am sure I am not alone in that.
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Post by iot on Apr 25, 2024 11:14:21 GMT
How can you reward teams with a high population but a failed approach over low population clubs that know what they're doing? TNS are really investing in their project, have massive plans for their stadium. Bala have a model that works more often than not year in year out. Why should Colwyn Bay be seen as a blueprint for the perfect club in the Cymru Prem? They thought they'd walk the Welsh system and got relegated. Rhyl can't even get out of Tier 3! Know what they're doing now. The trouble is they'll become stuck once this investment comes through that they don't have the population or manpower to sustain it. You've got to see the whole league as a product or collective. Seeing empty stadiums, no fans drumming up support at games or online damages the reputation of the league. Imagine this all comes through the likes of Penybont, Barry, Haverfordwest, Aber etc. able to capitalize on the investment. Now that I'm writing might be a good thing. Clubs able to improve and send those rotten clubs to obscurity where they rightfully belong. I agree that it would be much better to see those higher-population areas kick on ahead of the likes of TNS and Bala. However, I can't see how it would be appropriate for the FAW to artificially engineer that? Like any other league, our domestic games has to be completely merit-based, otherwise there's no credibility. The issue with TNS is that they have a self-sustaining model to the detriment of others in the league i.e. where they scoop up the European reward money and use that to sustain their dominance, to the point where I don't think they're bankrolled by Mike Harris anymore. I'm not sure if the funding for European competitions goes directly to clubs or to the league - if it's the latter, I guess the FAW could make a change whereby the funds are distributed equally across the league.
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Post by conwy10 on Apr 25, 2024 13:42:41 GMT
How can you reward teams with a high population but a failed approach over low population clubs that know what they're doing? TNS are really investing in their project, have massive plans for their stadium. Bala have a model that works more often than not year in year out. Why should Colwyn Bay be seen as a blueprint for the perfect club in the Cymru Prem? They thought they'd walk the Welsh system and got relegated. Rhyl can't even get out of Tier 3! Know what they're doing now. The trouble is they'll become stuck once this investment comes through that they don't have the population or manpower to sustain it. You've got to see the whole league as a product or collective. Seeing empty stadiums, no fans drumming up support at games or online damages the reputation of the league. Imagine this all comes through the likes of Penybont, Barry, Haverfordwest, Aber etc. able to capitalize on the investment. Now that I'm writing might be a good thing. Clubs able to improve and send those rotten clubs to obscurity where they rightfully belong. The key thing is know what they're doing now. It's a sport. You're rewarded for success. If they start going downhill it's on them, someone else will take their place, but I'd rather that then throwing money at a Colwyn Bay just to throw away. I don't think empty stadiums is a big deal, lots of top national leagues are barely supported. Some have a massive national stadium and 10% full. It would be nice to get massive support behind Bala, TNS etc. But they're where they are on merit. If everyone improves enough to send them back down then fair play, they beat them on the field.
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Post by conwy10 on Apr 25, 2024 13:46:41 GMT
Know what they're doing now. The trouble is they'll become stuck once this investment comes through that they don't have the population or manpower to sustain it. You've got to see the whole league as a product or collective. Seeing empty stadiums, no fans drumming up support at games or online damages the reputation of the league. Imagine this all comes through the likes of Penybont, Barry, Haverfordwest, Aber etc. able to capitalize on the investment. Now that I'm writing might be a good thing. Clubs able to improve and send those rotten clubs to obscurity where they rightfully belong. I agree that it would be much better to see those higher-population areas kick on ahead of the likes of TNS and Bala. However, I can't see how it would be appropriate for the FAW to artificially engineer that? Like any other league, our domestic games has to be completely merit-based, otherwise there's no credibility. The issue with TNS is that they have a self-sustaining model to the detriment of others in the league i.e. where they scoop up the European reward money and use that to sustain their dominance, to the point where I don't think they're bankrolled by Mike Harris anymore. I'm not sure if the funding for European competitions goes directly to clubs or to the league - if it's the latter, I guess the FAW could make a change whereby the funds are distributed equally across the league. 100% this. Imagine you cared enough about a project enough to throw your personal money in and after 20 years the governing body tell you they'll now be funding everyone else to send you down. Especially TNS who have carried the Cymru Prem in Europe for about 10 years.
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Post by conwy10 on Apr 25, 2024 13:49:28 GMT
What plans do TNS have for their stadium? The fields by the stadium will have 2 additional pitches built on them. To be fair their stadium is probably one of the best in Welsh football anyway.
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Post by gimli on Apr 25, 2024 15:44:25 GMT
I agree that it would be much better to see those higher-population areas kick on ahead of the likes of TNS and Bala. However, I can't see how it would be appropriate for the FAW to artificially engineer that? Like any other league, our domestic games has to be completely merit-based, otherwise there's no credibility. The issue with TNS is that they have a self-sustaining model to the detriment of others in the league i.e. where they scoop up the European reward money and use that to sustain their dominance, to the point where I don't think they're bankrolled by Mike Harris anymore. I'm not sure if the funding for European competitions goes directly to clubs or to the league - if it's the latter, I guess the FAW could make a change whereby the funds are distributed equally across the league. 100% this. Imagine you cared enough about a project enough to throw your personal money in and after 20 years the governing body tell you they'll now be funding everyone else to send you down. Especially TNS who have carried the Cymru Prem in Europe for about 10 years. "Carried the Cymru Prem in Europe for about 10 years" by getting knocked out in the first qualification round every year?
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Post by zserty on Apr 25, 2024 17:43:17 GMT
100% this. Imagine you cared enough about a project enough to throw your personal money in and after 20 years the governing body tell you they'll now be funding everyone else to send you down. Especially TNS who have carried the Cymru Prem in Europe for about 10 years. "Carried the Cymru Prem in Europe for about 10 years" by getting knocked out in the first qualification round every year? As the only professional outfit its quite funny that they regularly bring in less coefficient points than our semi pro teams. Despite all the money they are still just a tiny little club, born from one mans narcissistic vanity project.
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Post by conwy10 on Apr 26, 2024 7:09:55 GMT
100% this. Imagine you cared enough about a project enough to throw your personal money in and after 20 years the governing body tell you they'll now be funding everyone else to send you down. Especially TNS who have carried the Cymru Prem in Europe for about 10 years. "Carried the Cymru Prem in Europe for about 10 years" by getting knocked out in the first qualification round every year? They've done a lot better than that. They went to the final qualifying match once. Took Hungarian and Czech teams to the wire. They had the odd bad result too, but without them we'd be nowhere.
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Post by conwy10 on Apr 26, 2024 7:17:34 GMT
"Carried the Cymru Prem in Europe for about 10 years" by getting knocked out in the first qualification round every year? As the only professional outfit its quite funny that they regularly bring in less coefficient points than our semi pro teams. Despite all the money they are still just a tiny little club, born from one mans narcissistic vanity project. Do they bring in less? How many Welsh teams have a win in Europe? TNS often win the first one minimum. Let's look at the other side of the coin, maybe if other teams actually pushed them they'd be more prepared for the Euros? Clubs do give TNS a free ride. Some clubs don't even prepare for the TNS matches as it's a waste of time.
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Post by iot on Apr 26, 2024 7:41:39 GMT
"Carried the Cymru Prem in Europe for about 10 years" by getting knocked out in the first qualification round every year? They've done a lot better than that. They went to the final qualifying match once. Took Hungarian and Czech teams to the wire. They had the odd bad result too, but without them we'd be nowhere. Not sure why you're batting so strongly for TNS? They've been very underwhelming in Europe - think they've lost every game over the last couple of seasons (in the Champions League qualifiers and then when relegated to the Europa) - and against teams from the Faroes and Iceland too. Meanwhile, you had Haverfordwest progressing last year, Connah's Quay beat an SPL side I think, and other sides have produced really good results too. I haven't looked at a comparison of the results, but it feels like the other sides have done no worse, and that really shouldn't be the case given how much better TNS are domestically. They've really let us down in Europe imo and it would be much better if other, better-supported sides managed to get those opportunities instead, but I just don't see how you can manipulate the league to make that happen. You can't have someone at the FAW saying - we think XYZ are proper clubs and are therefore going to be financially rewarded, whilst these crap clubs are going to be penalised. So I'm not sure what's being called for exactly
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Post by welshrover on Apr 26, 2024 8:26:36 GMT
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Post by jimbo82 on Apr 26, 2024 13:23:15 GMT
They've done a lot better than that. They went to the final qualifying match once. Took Hungarian and Czech teams to the wire. They had the odd bad result too, but without them we'd be nowhere. Not sure why you're batting so strongly for TNS? They've been very underwhelming in Europe - think they've lost every game over the last couple of seasons (in the Champions League qualifiers and then when relegated to the Europa) - and against teams from the Faroes and Iceland too. Meanwhile, you had Haverfordwest progressing last year, Connah's Quay beat an SPL side I think, and other sides have produced really good results too. I haven't looked at a comparison of the results, but it feels like the other sides have done no worse, and that really shouldn't be the case given how much better TNS are domestically. They've really let us down in Europe imo and it would be much better if other, better-supported sides managed to get those opportunities instead, but I just don't see how you can manipulate the league to make that happen. You can't have someone at the FAW saying - we think XYZ are proper clubs and are therefore going to be financially rewarded, whilst these crap clubs are going to be penalised. So I'm not sure what's being called for exactly I'm in no way a TNS supporter, but their European results are generally fairly strong and they can be relied upon to get through their first tie. The last 2 seasons have been disappointing, but last year they were on the brink of knocking out Linfield in the champions League only for them to equalise right at the death and eventually go through on pens. Similarly, the year before they were beaten on pens in the 3rd round by a team from the Czech top flight having scored 4 against them in the home leg. It's often very small margins. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Saints_F.C.#:~:text=%E2%80%9373-,Matches,-edit
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Post by jimbo82 on Apr 26, 2024 13:24:44 GMT
Definitely think they should bring back the away goals rule in Europe
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Post by zserty on Apr 26, 2024 13:31:29 GMT
As the only professional outfit its quite funny that they regularly bring in less coefficient points than our semi pro teams. Despite all the money they are still just a tiny little club, born from one mans narcissistic vanity project. Do they bring in less? How many Welsh teams have a win in Europe? TNS often win the first one minimum. Let's look at the other side of the coin, maybe if other teams actually pushed them they'd be more prepared for the Euros? Clubs do give TNS a free ride. Some clubs don't even prepare for the TNS matches as it's a waste of time. One good campaign 3 or 4 seasons ago is where all of TNS coefficient points are, theyve not won a round since then. It is a waste of time, why waste time preparing for TNS when you can have extra time to focus on the next game against beatable opposition. It is terrible for the league to have non entity clubs in the top flight. Let alone utterly dominating. Glad Ponty have been shoved out, just need TNS and Met to follow them now.
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Post by conwy10 on Apr 26, 2024 21:24:05 GMT
They've done a lot better than that. They went to the final qualifying match once. Took Hungarian and Czech teams to the wire. They had the odd bad result too, but without them we'd be nowhere. Not sure why you're batting so strongly for TNS? They've been very underwhelming in Europe - think they've lost every game over the last couple of seasons (in the Champions League qualifiers and then when relegated to the Europa) - and against teams from the Faroes and Iceland too. Meanwhile, you had Haverfordwest progressing last year, Connah's Quay beat an SPL side I think, and other sides have produced really good results too. I haven't looked at a comparison of the results, but it feels like the other sides have done no worse, and that really shouldn't be the case given how much better TNS are domestically. They've really let us down in Europe imo and it would be much better if other, better-supported sides managed to get those opportunities instead, but I just don't see how you can manipulate the league to make that happen. You can't have someone at the FAW saying - we think XYZ are proper clubs and are therefore going to be financially rewarded, whilst these crap clubs are going to be penalised. So I'm not sure what's being called for exactly Because with Welsh football I don't want to cut off my nose to spite my face. They conceded a last minute goal in Luxembourg last year if I'm remembering correct, lost on penalties in the Faroe Islands, they've come up against Copenhagen, Plzen, APOEL Nicosia. If we've ever got a chance of getting a team in Europe it's them. I'm happy for them to keep progressing until they achieve it.
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Post by winsumluzsum on Apr 27, 2024 10:23:27 GMT
I've got nothing against TNS but the fact that we know before a ball is kicked that they are very likely to win the league is a serious problem for the perception of the league. The FAW helping the clubs with marketing is the way to go. Clubs like Bangor, Aberystwyth and Colwyn Bay could potentially attract crowds of over a thousand and help close the revenue gap to the clubs that regularly qualify for Europe.
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Post by zserty on Apr 27, 2024 13:47:02 GMT
I've got nothing against TNS but the fact that we know before a ball is kicked that they are very likely to win the league is a serious problem for the perception of the league. The FAW helping the clubs with marketing is the way to go. Clubs like Bangor, Aberystwyth and Colwyn Bay could potentially attract crowds of over a thousand and help close the revenue gap to the clubs that regularly qualify for Europe. There are lots of clubs that have the potential to get to 1k at a game, Rhyl, Bangor, Neath all could pull in 700 or 800 on occasions. On a south centric note it amazes me that there has been no way to take advantage of areas with big populations (Cardiff, Swansea, Neath PT etc). I think some of the additions moving forward would help, especially expanding tbe league. I had even heard that the 1st phase may be regionalised which would be massive for improving the league.
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Post by aberbeeg on Apr 28, 2024 16:28:59 GMT
Looks an extremely sparse crowd for today’s Welsh Cup Final. Such a shame that the FAW can’t find a way for our biggest clubs to at least enter their U21s team.
It’s a shadow of the tournament it used to be in years gone by.
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Post by welshrover on Apr 28, 2024 17:38:07 GMT
Looks an extremely sparse crowd for today’s Welsh Cup Final. Such a shame that the FAW can’t find a way for our biggest clubs to at least enter their U21s team. It’s a shadow of the tournament it used to be in years gone by. 1246 apparently 😟
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Post by aberbeeg on Apr 29, 2024 7:16:22 GMT
Looks an extremely sparse crowd for today’s Welsh Cup Final. Such a shame that the FAW can’t find a way for our biggest clubs to at least enter their U21s team. It’s a shadow of the tournament it used to be in years gone by. 1246 apparently 😟 Really ?
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Post by welshrover on Apr 29, 2024 7:39:49 GMT
Really ? That is what Nic Parry said on commentary, incredibly poor for a national final, but would agree with earlier comments, a ridiculous venue considering the two teams in the final. I recall a final (Rhyl v Bangor) played at Wrexham, surely with the geography of the two teams this would have been a better choice, barely 30-45 minutes from both clubs.
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