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Post by wft on Apr 29, 2024 12:02:55 GMT
Looks so normal, It's all in the presentation.
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Post by garynysmon on Apr 29, 2024 15:54:02 GMT
Looks an extremely sparse crowd for today’s Welsh Cup Final. Such a shame that the FAW can’t find a way for our biggest clubs to at least enter their U21s team. It’s a shadow of the tournament it used to be in years gone by. A match played 4 hours away between two of the worst supported clubs in the top two tiers. I was quite pleasantly surprised if anything! Swansea and Cardiff were invited to the league cup this season to varying degrees of success. I expressed my views on the experiment a few months ago. Its probably easier to invite them to the league cup (no UEFA places) than the Welsh Cup. In terms of youth development I don't think that playing against men's teams in the Welsh League Cup hurt Swansea or Cardiff's academies at all, and they will most certainly benefit from the experience. Personally I'd like to see the experiment continue and to invite Wrexham and Newport representative sides too going forward (although I wouldn't expect the latter two to progress much). There are some improvements I'd like to see implemented though: * The 'Anglo' teams to always be drawn away. It was a bit disappointing to see Swansea play their home games at their training ground. Might as well give the smaller club some sort of a payday if you're not going to make an effort. * Did Swansea/Cardiff have to so explicitly push these games as academy fixtures? I get it, they were never going to play their first XI's but surely you can play a mix of fringe players and U23's rather than make it clear to all and sundry that these are academy fixtures and totally divorced from the main club, only pushing on the academy social media pages etc. * A bit more flexibility in terms of fixture scheduling and avoiding first team fixtures to maximise attendance.
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Post by aberbeeg on Apr 29, 2024 17:54:46 GMT
Really ? That is what Nic Parry said on commentary, incredibly poor for a national final, but would agree with earlier comments, a ridiculous venue considering the two teams in the final. I recall a final (Rhyl v Bangor) played at Wrexham, surely with the geography of the two teams this would have been a better choice, barely 30-45 minutes from both clubs. Yes yet another shocking decision from FAW. Total embarrassment
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Post by aberbeeg on Apr 29, 2024 17:56:41 GMT
Looks an extremely sparse crowd for today’s Welsh Cup Final. Such a shame that the FAW can’t find a way for our biggest clubs to at least enter their U21s team. It’s a shadow of the tournament it used to be in years gone by. A match played 4 hours away between two of the worst supported clubs in the top two tiers. I was quite pleasantly surprised if anything! * shocking decision from FAW Swansea and Cardiff were invited to the league cup this season to varying degrees of success. * Why would the likes of CCFC and SCFC play in this cup with zero to play for? I expressed my views on the experiment a few months ago. It’s probably easier to invite them to the league cup (no UEFA places) than the Welsh Cup. In terms of youth development I don't think that playing against men's teams in the Welsh League Cup hurt Swansea or Cardiff's academies at all, and they will most certainly benefit from the experience. Personally I'd like to see the experiment continue and to invite Wrexham and Newport representative sides too going forward (although I wouldn't expect the latter two to progress much). There are some improvements I'd like to see implemented though: * The 'Anglo' teams to always be drawn away. It was a bit disappointing to see Swansea play their home games at their training ground. Might as well give the smaller club some sort of a payday if you're not going to make an effort. * Did Swansea/Cardiff have to so explicitly push these games as academy fixtures? I get it, they were never going to play their first XI's but surely you can play a mix of fringe players and U23's rather than make it clear to all and sundry that these are academy fixtures and totally divorced from the main club, only pushing on the academy social media pages etc. * A bit more flexibility in terms of fixture scheduling and avoiding first team fixtures to maximise attendance.
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Post by aberbeeg on Apr 29, 2024 18:03:59 GMT
Just following on from your point above Gary….
I think everyone can see what an embarrassment our National Cup competition has become over the past 20 years.
You mention it would be easier to invite our bigger Clubs into the League cup ( I can see why that would make sense from the Cymru premier sides with no European places given away)But why on earth would any of the big clubs want to play in that? Surely there has to be a carrot dangled that’s big enough to make our bigger sides sit up and take notice?
I’m guessing the attendances for the league cup are even more abysmal than for the actual league games?
Sundays final was an absolute shambles from a PR point of view ( see my comments above on the FAW decision to hold the game there)
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Post by iot on Apr 29, 2024 21:02:23 GMT
Just following on from your point above Gary…. I think everyone can see what an embarrassment our National Cup competition has become over the past 20 years. You mention it would be easier to invite our bigger Clubs into the League cup ( I can see why that would make sense from the Cymru premier sides with no European places given away)But why on earth would any of the big clubs want to play in that? Surely there has to be a carrot dangled that’s big enough to make our bigger sides sit up and take notice? I’m guessing the attendances for the league cup are even more abysmal than for the actual league games? Sundays final was an absolute shambles from a PR point of view ( see my comments above on the FAW decision to hold the game there) I’m sure this has already been said numerous times on this thread / other threads and platforms - but a timely reminder that the EFL clubs can’t compete for a European spot in a Welsh competition. As I understand it, they would need to forfeit their place from the English cup competitions. Sorry aberbeeg, but you only seem interested in running the Cymru prem down, and often based on misinformation
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Post by aberbeeg on Apr 30, 2024 8:05:22 GMT
It was previously mentioned above about no European places ( obviously I’m fully aware of that).
My point was IF the Premier clubs actually wanted to entice our big clubs into some sort of meaningful participation then they somehow have to find a carrot from somewhere.
As things stand it’s been over 20 years and counting and if Sundays final was the best we have to offer then I think you need to take your head out of the sand iot.
We all want the Premier to improve but from many peoples point of view it’s going backwards not forwards.
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Post by conwy10 on Apr 30, 2024 17:56:16 GMT
I think we need to focus on the clubs we have rather than the ones we don't. It would be a huge fast forward if we get the English League teams, but the solution (if there is one) is the ones currently in the system.
We're a small country, low population, poor transport links between North and South. Regionalisation for the majority of the season with teams qualifying for a smaller National League to crown the champions seems to be an ideal solution.
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Post by welshrover on Apr 30, 2024 21:48:03 GMT
I feel I can no longer comment on the Cymru Premier as I don't think we (Rhyl) will get back there in the years I have left 🙂
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Post by derynglas on May 1, 2024 8:18:25 GMT
I read on twitter the other day that Rhyl had finally secured the funding required to purchase their Belle Vue stadium which they had sold in 1990. I would say if this is confirmed they are in a better place than they have been for a long time.
Although i think they have missed out on promotion this time,still they are now debt free and still just 2 promotions away from an expanded Cymru Premier.
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Post by talyfan on May 1, 2024 17:43:16 GMT
I read on twitter the other day that Rhyl had finally secured the funding required to purchase their Belle Vue stadium which they had sold in 1990. I would say if this is confirmed they are in a better place than they have been for a long time. Although i think they have missed out on promotion this time,still they are now debt free and still just 2 promotions away from an expanded Cymru Premier. Absolutely brilliant for them to be debt free and able to develop Belle Vue for the future. They're a bit off the pace at the moment and don't necessarily have the budget to dominate tier 3. If they got promoted now they'd be straight back down
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Post by welshrover on May 1, 2024 17:49:19 GMT
I read on twitter the other day that Rhyl had finally secured the funding required to purchase their Belle Vue stadium which they had sold in 1990. I would say if this is confirmed they are in a better place than they have been for a long time. Although i think they have missed out on promotion this time,still they are now debt free and still just 2 promotions away from an expanded Cymru Premier. Absolutely brilliant for them to be debt free and able to develop Belle Vue for the future. They're a bit off the pace at the moment and don't necessarily have the budget to dominate tier 3. If they got promoted now they'd be straight back down There is a lot of disquiet amongst the Rhyl faithful at the moment with not a lot of confidence in the people running the club, let us recall they are the same people who watched over Rhyl when we went bust recently, hence the name change. One wonders what the end game is, you could get a lot of "affordable homes" on that plot of land.
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Post by zserty on May 2, 2024 7:38:36 GMT
I think we need to focus on the clubs we have rather than the ones we don't. It would be a huge fast forward if we get the English League teams, but the solution (if there is one) is the ones currently in the system. We're a small country, low population, poor transport links between North and South. Regionalisation for the majority of the season with teams qualifying for a smaller National League to crown the champions seems to be an ideal solution. Agree with that, artificially bolstering a handful of crowds each season by getting a English sides B team to play doesnt really do much. How many of those fans stay, not many realistically. We need to be different from the English sides, Friday is a great start especially for the more local fixtures. Talk of a regionalised first phase would also be fantastic. The expansion of the league really helps with this too. Its just a shame we are waiting so long before getting going.
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Post by conwy10 on May 17, 2024 11:57:44 GMT
Losing a European spot from next year.
Random question, and unlikely to happen any time soon, but would that mean if Russia rejoined UEFA would we go down to two spots? I'm sure we only got the 4th back because of the Ukrainian war.
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Post by allezlesrouges on May 17, 2024 17:50:51 GMT
Caernarfon vs Penybont playoff final at the Oval should be a big attendance, no? Someone who knows more about this than me - what's the expected attendance for that? I'd have assumed they're looking to sell out the Oval?
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Post by derynglas on May 17, 2024 19:52:22 GMT
They had 1285 against Cardiff Met last Friday,with very little away supporters it seemed. We know Bont have a good away following,for this game they have to book tickets online in advance. I imagine there will be well over 1500 there tomorrow which would be just over half the stated capacity of 3000.
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Post by rob on May 17, 2024 21:45:12 GMT
Caernarfon vs Penybont playoff final at the Oval should be a big attendance, no? Someone who knows more about this than me - what's the expected attendance for that? I'd have assumed they're looking to sell out the Oval? Expecting over 2000.Need clubs like Caernarfon and progressive clubs like Haverfordwest and Penybont who actually do use their youth system in Europe.So many clubs fail their licence but certain clubs have accredited academies but nobody actually plays for the 1st team.
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Post by cymrufan92 on May 18, 2024 8:33:05 GMT
There will also be a great atmosphere with Cofi Army and Penybont fans. I´m looking forward to the new league format, but I will miss these playoff matches with big crowds. Which other clubs in the Cymru Leagues have fans who create atmosphere during matches? I know Caernarfon, Penybont, Y Barry and Bae Colwyn, are there others?
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Post by derynglas on May 18, 2024 10:07:40 GMT
We have had increasing fan culture at Haverfordwest in the last 3 or 4 seasons. With an atmosphere often generated at matches,even at our European tie in Skopje last summer! Had our first fanzine produced by the fans towards the end of last season. Further down the leagues Bangor,Rhyl, and Llanelli are the obvious ones that spring to mind. Be good to see them return to the top division at some point,the league needs clubs like these.
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Post by surge on May 18, 2024 17:34:19 GMT
3-1 win for the Cofi's today. Bit of a controversial penalty to help them to the otherwise deserved win?
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Post by CrackityJones on May 18, 2024 18:20:48 GMT
Definitely a deserved win. Penybont were uncharacteristically all over the shop first half but could have made a game of it if they took their chances in the second.
The Cofi army will have a ball in Europe, hoping they get a plum draw and enjoy the ride
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Post by melynwy on May 19, 2024 7:31:24 GMT
3-1 win for the Cofi's today. Bit of a controversial penalty to help them to the otherwise deserved win? Seemed a clear penalty to me. No one was questioning the decision on TV anyway. The only slight doubt in my mind was whether or not the ball crossed the line for the first goal, but it seemed likely that it did from all the camera angles - none were conclusive though.
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