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Post by cymruramdcfc on May 21, 2019 12:05:12 GMT
get promoted and keep hold of lampard and maybe just maybe
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Post by cymruramdcfc on May 21, 2019 12:07:05 GMT
Said all along that Liverpool won't use him, nor Woodburn. If he was English we would've been given a chance by now. Klopp can do one. i been say all along that he wont be in pools team next season, Klopp will spend 100millon on some one from abroad. Klopp was making noises earlier about how well harry was doing only o up his price tag.
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Post by iot on May 21, 2019 12:26:59 GMT
It's ridiculous to blame klopp here, he's shown more trust in youngsters than most. He's given woodburn lots of first team experience when arguably he hasn't merited it. There is no chance that wilson can compete with mane/salah/firminho/shaqiri/oxlade chamberlain/origi. forget it, he'll never break into that side and it's not an anti welsh agenda, it's because despite being a very decent player, he's not at that level. Also just to add, given how liverpool have performed in recent seasons, I think Klopp has been more than vindicated in his decisions! It's just bitterness to claim he has some sort of anti-welsh agenda, why the fuck would he? and this is from someone who despises liverpool, was glad to see them failing to win the prem and hoping they'll fuck up in the champs league.
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Post by richierich333 on May 21, 2019 12:36:14 GMT
It's ridiculous to blame klopp here, he's shown more trust in youngsters than most. He's given woodburn lots of first team experience when arguably he hasn't merited it. There is no chance that wilson can compete with mane/salah/firminho/shaqiri/oxlade chamberlain/origi. forget it, he'll never break into that side and it's not an anti welsh agenda, it's because despite being a very decent player, he's not at that level. Also just to add, given how liverpool have performed in recent seasons, I think Klopp has been more than vindicated in his decisions! It's just bitterness to claim he has some sort of anti-welsh agenda, why the fuck would he? and this is from someone who despises liverpool, was glad to see them failing to win the prem and hoping they'll fuck up in the champs league. Although I do not hate or support Liverpool I agree with all of this. His nationality does not come into Klopp's thinking at all here. He can get 20 odd million for a player that has only done well in the second tier! If he goes to Wolves everyone should be happy including Wales fans.
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Post by cymruramdcfc on May 21, 2019 17:02:15 GMT
It's ridiculous to blame klopp here, he's shown more trust in youngsters than most. He's given woodburn lots of first team experience when arguably he hasn't merited it. There is no chance that wilson can compete with mane/salah/firminho/shaqiri/oxlade chamberlain/origi. forget it, he'll never break into that side and it's not an anti welsh agenda, it's because despite being a very decent player, he's not at that level. Also just to add, given how liverpool have performed in recent seasons, I think Klopp has been more than vindicated in his decisions! It's just bitterness to claim he has some sort of anti-welsh agenda, why the fuck would he? and this is from someone who despises liverpool, was glad to see them failing to win the prem and hoping they'll fuck up in the champs league. My post was not any thing about klopp being anti Welsh.. as it says he wont risk trusting Harry he rather ho out and spend 100s of millions on world class internationals
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Post by iot on May 21, 2019 21:21:01 GMT
It's ridiculous to blame klopp here, he's shown more trust in youngsters than most. He's given woodburn lots of first team experience when arguably he hasn't merited it. There is no chance that wilson can compete with mane/salah/firminho/shaqiri/oxlade chamberlain/origi. forget it, he'll never break into that side and it's not an anti welsh agenda, it's because despite being a very decent player, he's not at that level. Also just to add, given how liverpool have performed in recent seasons, I think Klopp has been more than vindicated in his decisions! It's just bitterness to claim he has some sort of anti-welsh agenda, why the fuck would he? and this is from someone who despises liverpool, was glad to see them failing to win the prem and hoping they'll fuck up in the champs league. My post was not any thing about klopp being anti Welsh.. as it says he wont risk trusting Harry he rather ho out and spend 100s of millions on world class internationals My post was more in reaction to dai's comment to be honest, but read your post as also agreeing with him and having a dig at klopp because he would rather invest in a big signing than playing wilson. As I said, I think he's shown that his judgement is as good as anyone's.
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Post by dai on May 21, 2019 21:47:07 GMT
My post was not any thing about klopp being anti Welsh.. as it says he wont risk trusting Harry he rather ho out and spend 100s of millions on world class internationals My post was more in reaction to dai's comment to be honest, but read your post as also agreeing with him and having a dig at klopp because he would rather invest in a big signing than playing wilson. As I said, I think he's shown that his judgement is as good as anyone's. I wasn't implying that Klopp was anti Welsh at all, dont twist my words. But I stand by what I said that if players like Wilson were English theyd be given more of a chance. That implies to every team in the Premier League btw, but then it is an 'English' league after all. On Klopp, I dont like the bloke. He kept praising Joe Allen while he was there, only to sell him at the first chance. Same is happening with Wilson. Like mentioned in this thread, he's only doing it to add value to the player and I find that morally wrong and gives false hope to the player.
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Post by chislenko on May 21, 2019 22:30:55 GMT
Unfortunately, Wilson in nowhere near the current Liverpool squad. Who in that team (and trust me I have no love for scousers) that has done what they have done this season would you drop for him?
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Post by welshiron on May 22, 2019 9:04:43 GMT
He wont be in the starting xI and if they splash the cash he wont be in the squad.
However if they dont strengthen up front or lose Mane he could replace Sturridge and battle with Shaquiri as well.
Gut feeling is he will be off
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Post by nwcherries on May 22, 2019 12:05:05 GMT
Looks like we're being linked with him now; I have to say I wouldn't want to spend more than £15 million on him, considering James was going for less and is (IMO) the better prospect.
What would you say are his main strengths and weaknesses>
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Post by fiveattheback on May 22, 2019 12:22:19 GMT
Looks like we're being linked with him now; I have to say I wouldn't want to spend more than £15 million on him, considering James was going for less and is (IMO) the better prospect. What would you say are his main strengths and weaknesses> I'd argue Wilson is better than James, Wilson was exceptional at Hull last season and key in a side that are in the playoff final this season, they're both roughly the same age too
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Post by welshiron on May 22, 2019 12:46:42 GMT
Wilson has done it for a longer period of time and is probably the better all round player.
However, James has pace which is a rare commodity
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Post by welshiron on May 22, 2019 12:47:23 GMT
More importantly is James only has a year on his contract.
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Post by nwcherries on May 22, 2019 13:56:33 GMT
You can't underestimate the value of pace in the Premier League, to be fair. Just look at Ryan Fraser; genuinely not a technically gifted player, but his pace makes him very dangerous and now a widely sought after player. One of the biggest step ups from the Championship is the athleticism of the league; almost every player is an elite level athlete, so any kind of physical advantage you might have can go a long way.
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Post by iot on May 22, 2019 20:25:50 GMT
Looks like we're being linked with him now; I have to say I wouldn't want to spend more than £15 million on him, considering James was going for less and is (IMO) the better prospect. What would you say are his main strengths and weaknesses> Strengths: very good technically, has a good touch, great strike (genuinely up there with Bale in that regard), great crosser and at set pieces and can play people through with clever through balls. Weaknesses - poor physically, not the quickest, doesn't really scare defenders and threaten to drbble past them and, my biggest gripe, he tends to drift in and out of games. He's capable of the spectacular, but he can also be completely anonymous. He doesn't contribute much to the all round play.
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Post by cadno on May 23, 2019 7:57:00 GMT
You can't underestimate the value of pace in the Premier League, to be fair. Just look at Ryan Fraser; genuinely not a technically gifted player, but his pace makes him very dangerous and now a widely sought after player. One of the biggest step ups from the Championship is the athleticism of the league; almost every player is an elite level athlete, so any kind of physical advantage you might have can go a long way. Dan James reminds me of Fraser to be fair! Wilson will be a centre mid when he's older in my opinion, he reminds me a lot of Modric.
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Post by CrackityJones on May 23, 2019 8:42:29 GMT
Wilson is more comparable to Brooks than James. Both have great technique but Brooks seems the more complete player at the moment with Wilson being the better goal scorer and finisher.
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Post by iot on May 23, 2019 9:58:32 GMT
Wilson is more comparable to Brooks than James. Both have great technique but Brooks seems the more complete player at the moment with Wilson being the better goal scorer and finisher. Brooks has a lot more flair and can beat players with his trickery. But his final ball isn't close to being as good as wilson's, from what I've seen
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Post by nwcherries on May 24, 2019 9:31:52 GMT
Looks like we're being linked with him now; I have to say I wouldn't want to spend more than £15 million on him, considering James was going for less and is (IMO) the better prospect. What would you say are his main strengths and weaknesses> Strengths: very good technically, has a good touch, great strike (genuinely up there with Bale in that regard), great crosser and at set pieces and can play people through with clever through balls. Weaknesses - poor physically, not the quickest, doesn't really scare defenders and threaten to drbble past them and, my biggest gripe, he tends to drift in and out of games. He's capable of the spectacular, but he can also be completely anonymous. He doesn't contribute much to the all round play. Yeah that's my worry with Wilson, at least for us and the way we play football. Our players are generally very strong and quick, I'm not sure Wilson really fits that; especially if he were to be a straight replacement for Fraser. That's not to say we're better than Wilson or anything, he's just probably better off in a team that suits his strengths a bit more... At least as a winger. From the sound of his qualities he sounds more like a traditional No10 or even a second striker, if that was the role he would have then he might be an excellent addition, especially with his deadball ability. I can definitely see him transitioning into a central role like Modric. It's tricky, normally I'd be well up for signing a younger player like Wilson, it's just that we could really do with a proven Premier League player to replace Fraser.
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Post by CrackityJones on May 27, 2019 15:54:59 GMT
Poor performance today compared to his usual high standards but looks like he’s come through unscathed.
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Post by manulike on May 27, 2019 16:00:45 GMT
Harry was playing so far out of position on the left, that he was treading on Tom's feet...
I hope he will see it in his heart for forgiving Neil, now that he has been let out of his pocket (for the final ten minutes, when he actually played on the right).
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Post by barneycat1 on May 27, 2019 18:29:11 GMT
Where's next for the lad?
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Post by manulike on May 27, 2019 20:26:15 GMT
Where's next for the lad? The WoL are saying that Benitez is a big fan and now they have new owners, he is ready to splash the cash ...
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Post by barneycat1 on May 27, 2019 20:33:19 GMT
Where's next for the lad? The WoL are saying that Benitez is a big fan and now they have new owners, he is ready to splash the cash ... That would be a good move
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Post by pendragon on May 28, 2019 8:39:44 GMT
Is it just me, or did his thank you message to Derby Supporters sound like a farewell? Though baring in mind what nwcherries has said, I feel that Wolves are a not too dissimilar setup to Bournemouth, in that they play fast, attacking football (for the most part). However, would love to see Harry in the premier league.
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Post by zenith on May 28, 2019 10:12:05 GMT
Is it just me, or did his thank you message to Derby Supporters sound like a farewell? Though baring in mind what nwcherries has said, I feel that Wolves are a not too dissimilar setup to Bournemouth, in that they play fast, attacking football (for the most part). However, would love to see Harry in the premier league. Well considering he’s on loan, of course it’s a farewell.
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Post by pendragon on May 28, 2019 10:16:55 GMT
Is it just me, or did his thank you message to Derby Supporters sound like a farewell? Though baring in mind what nwcherries has said, I feel that Wolves are a not too dissimilar setup to Bournemouth, in that they play fast, attacking football (for the most part). However, would love to see Harry in the premier league. Well considering he’s on loan, of course it’s a farewell. Has it been confirmed that he won't be re-loaned to Derby next season then? My apologies, I wasn't aware this was the case.
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Post by allezlesrouges on May 28, 2019 10:46:30 GMT
I think Wilson does need to be in a team that dominate possession. The impression that he drifts in and out of games is stronger when Derby don't have possession. He was quite quiet for large periods yesterday as Villa dominated the game. However, in the last 10/15 mins when Derby were pressing Wilson was getting more of the ball and looked more dangerous. Even if Derby had been promoted I'd have rather seen Wilson join a Wolves or Bournemouth where more often than not they will have the ball, rather than a relegation contender where Wilson will be in and out of the game.
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Post by iot on May 28, 2019 12:27:42 GMT
Watching the game yesterday, for the first time I could see what cadno's seen in him potentially developing into a deeper central midfielder. He had some excellent moments dropping deep, turning and/or spraying some really nice balls into the channels while he was far more ineffective with the ball in the final third. The question is whether he can develop that part of his game to become a CM where he would need to get on the ball far more often than he's currently doing. It's also questionable whether he has the physicality to be a CM.
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Post by richierich333 on May 28, 2019 12:37:27 GMT
He was poor yesterday let's not mince words. As for CM, very unlikely for me. For us he is possibly he is best used as a 10 but we have a lot of those already.
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