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Post by wxmjames on May 30, 2017 16:56:34 GMT
Future Wales #1 and I wouldn't be surprised if Liverpool played him as 2nd choice next year. In my opinion he's better off going to Huddersfield for another year. Isn't he currently 3rd or 4th choice at Liverpool? Better to be playing than sitting on the bench. On loan yes. But he shouldn't be sold imo, too much potential
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Post by massivefloodlights on May 31, 2017 10:57:03 GMT
What's Danny's value these days?
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Post by phillywelsh83 on May 31, 2017 12:00:08 GMT
What's Danny's value these days? According to "TransferMarkt" AROUND £1.28 million. I think he would go for around 2.5-3.5m though, depends how much Klopp rates him.
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Post by erasedcitizen on May 31, 2017 13:04:33 GMT
What's Danny's value these days? According to "TransferMarkt" AROUND £1.28 million. I think he would go for around 2.5-3.5m though, depends how much Klopp rates him. Pickford's valued at around £30m, so I doubt he'd go for that little. I think you'd be looking towards £10m in today's market.
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Post by phillywelsh83 on May 31, 2017 13:58:17 GMT
According to "TransferMarkt" AROUND £1.28 million. I think he would go for around 2.5-3.5m though, depends how much Klopp rates him. Pickford's valued at around £30m, so I doubt he'd go for that little. I think you'd be looking towards £10m in today's market. Dont see him going for £10m. Pickford also wouldn't go for £30m. Keepers are lower value positions.
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Post by erasedcitizen on May 31, 2017 14:44:24 GMT
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Post by phillywelsh83 on May 31, 2017 14:48:42 GMT
And thats a world record for a keeper. So you think Danny Ward is going to go for 1/3 of the world record for a goalkeeper? 1/10 is very reasonable.
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Post by erasedcitizen on May 31, 2017 14:51:44 GMT
And thats a world record for a keeper. So you think Danny Ward is going to go for 1/3 of the world record for a goalkeeper? 1/10 is very reasonable. Yes, I do. This would be a transfer between 2 British clubs remember.
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Post by wxmjames on May 31, 2017 16:38:11 GMT
If Danny Ward went for £5m right now I wouldn't be surprised. Especially if he went to Huddersfield
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Post by iot on May 31, 2017 17:02:08 GMT
I don't think there's any talk about selling him. Until he has a season in the PL, it's difficult for any of us to know how good he is.
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Post by erasedcitizen on May 31, 2017 18:00:13 GMT
I don't think there's any talk about selling him. Until he has a season in the PL, it's difficult for any of us to know how good he is. Anyone thinking he'll go for £5m or less is living in cloud cuckoo land. Why would Liverpool need to sell such a large prospect for that amount? I agree with you in that I don't think he'll move in this window and another loan move to Huddersfield is surely on the cards. For teams to part with the £10m which would be enough to see Liverpool sell him, they'll want to see him prove his worth. The only way I can see him moving is if Huddersfield do decide to spend such a large amount on him.
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Post by haruki on Jun 1, 2017 9:25:14 GMT
Wrexham have a 20% sell on clause so Id take 10 million every day of the week!!!
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Post by phillywelsh83 on Jun 1, 2017 11:46:57 GMT
Wrexham have a 20% sell on clause so Id take 10 million every day of the week!!! Unfortunately it will be 20% of a much smaller fee (if he was sold), still 500-700k would be an amazing amount for Wrexham.
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Post by wxmjames on Jun 2, 2017 7:24:50 GMT
Wrexham have a 20% sell on clause so Id take 10 million every day of the week!!! Unfortunately it will be 20% of a much smaller fee (if he was sold), still 500-700k would be an amazing amount for Wrexham. You never know. If he has a great season next year, with his age, he could go to about £10m. Not now, but certainly in the future.
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Post by phillywelsh83 on Jun 2, 2017 11:24:33 GMT
Unfortunately it will be 20% of a much smaller fee (if he was sold), still 500-700k would be an amazing amount for Wrexham. You never know. If he has a great season next year, with his age, he could go to about £10m. Not now, but certainly in the future. I agree with that, if he proves himself at Premier League level and shows real improvement he could go for more than £10m. For example Tom Heaton would likely cost plus of £15m. Because he has proved himself.
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Post by wxmjames on Jun 2, 2017 14:55:02 GMT
You never know. If he has a great season next year, with his age, he could go to about £10m. Not now, but certainly in the future. I agree with that, if he proves himself at Premier League level and shows real improvement he could go for more than £10m. For example Tom Heaton would likely cost plus of £15m. Because he has proved himself. I think he can. He could become Liverpool number 1 if Klopp shows faith. He seems fond of him
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Post by llannerch on Jun 2, 2017 15:28:25 GMT
I don't think there's any talk about selling him. Until he has a season in the PL, it's difficult for any of us to know how good he is. Not sure about that. PLayed in 43 of 46 league games for Huddersfield at Championship level and only 5 clubs conceded fewer goals. Important shootout performances suggest he has good temperament and penalty technique. The question is whether Liverpool think he has a future there or not. Surely Klopp lets his buddy keep Ward for a second season in which case it's up to Ward to show he has EPL level class
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Post by iot on Jun 2, 2017 17:03:33 GMT
I don't think there's any talk about selling him. Until he has a season in the PL, it's difficult for any of us to know how good he is. Not sure about that. PLayed in 43 of 46 league games for Huddersfield at Championship level and only 5 clubs conceded fewer goals. Important shootout performances suggest he has good temperament and penalty technique. The question is whether Liverpool think he has a future there or not. Surely Klopp lets his buddy keep Ward for a second season in which case it's up to Ward to show he has EPL level class Look at the stats for shots saved. Unfortunately, those clean sheets were much more to do with the defence than goalkeeping. I've seen him play around a dozen times now and he looks decent but I've never seen him kept busy in any game. Agreed that the playoffs show he's good against penalties and has certain good traits. But, I still think he needs to be properly tested in the PL before we can judge him properly.
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Post by llannerch on Jun 3, 2017 6:32:13 GMT
Not sure about that. PLayed in 43 of 46 league games for Huddersfield at Championship level and only 5 clubs conceded fewer goals. Important shootout performances suggest he has good temperament and penalty technique. The question is whether Liverpool think he has a future there or not. Surely Klopp lets his buddy keep Ward for a second season in which case it's up to Ward to show he has EPL level class Look at the stats for shots saved. Unfortunately, those clean sheets were much more to do with the defence than goalkeeping. I've seen him play around a dozen times now and he looks decent but I've never seen him kept busy in any game. Agreed that the playoffs show he's good against penalties and has certain good traits. But, I still think he needs to be properly tested in the PL before we can judge him properly. I have heard more people be impressed by Chris Maxwell than Ward when they have seen them play so your view doesn't surprise me. I'm curious as to why you think the EPL is the only level at which keepers are properly tested. Also a keeper is very much part of the defensive unit. The keeper helps organise and with defenders' positioning
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Post by iot on Jun 3, 2017 7:22:05 GMT
Look at the stats for shots saved. Unfortunately, those clean sheets were much more to do with the defence than goalkeeping. I've seen him play around a dozen times now and he looks decent but I've never seen him kept busy in any game. Agreed that the playoffs show he's good against penalties and has certain good traits. But, I still think he needs to be properly tested in the PL before we can judge him properly. I have heard more people be impressed by Chris Maxwell than Ward when they have seen them play so your view doesn't surprise me. I'm curious as to why you think the EPL is the only level at which keepers are properly tested. Also a keeper is very much part of the defensive unit. The keeper helps organise and with defenders' positioning I haven't seen Maxwell play at all so can't form a view on his merits, or Davies' for that matter. And, I think there's a similar issue with Ward. Although I've seen him a few times, he's played behind such a strong defence that I haven't seen him make hardly any saves. He only had around 3-4 saves to make across the whole 240 minutes in the playoffs and when I've followed bbc's live text throughout the season, it's been a similar story. I'm not saying you can't get tested outside the EPL, if he were playing for Burton Albion I'm sure he would have had plenty to do. But, this year I don't think he's had that and typically only faced 1-2 shots per game. Assuming he gets another loan with Huddersfield next season, I'm pretty sure their defence won't keep out the opposition as effectively, thereby giving Ward a greater opportunity to show what he can do. It could have the same sort of impact as when Hart went on loan to Birmingham - he had so much to do and really impressed, it was his breakthrough season. The same could happen with Ward if he's good enough, or it could go the other way and show that he's not a brilliant shot stopper.
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Post by llannerch on Jun 5, 2017 12:05:43 GMT
I haven't seen Maxwell play at all so can't form a view on his merits, or Davies' for that matter. And, I think there's a similar issue with Ward. Although I've seen him a few times, he's played behind such a strong defence that I haven't seen him make hardly any saves. He only had around 3-4 saves to make across the whole 240 minutes in the playoffs and when I've followed bbc's live text throughout the season, it's been a similar story. I'm not saying you can't get tested outside the EPL, if he were playing for Burton Albion I'm sure he would have had plenty to do. But, this year I don't think he's had that and typically only faced 1-2 shots per game. Assuming he gets another loan with Huddersfield next season, I'm pretty sure their defence won't keep out the opposition as effectively, thereby giving Ward a greater opportunity to show what he can do. It could have the same sort of impact as when Hart went on loan to Birmingham - he had so much to do and really impressed, it was his breakthrough season. The same could happen with Ward if he's good enough, or it could go the other way and show that he's not a brilliant shot stopper. I think that it is too simplistic to say a busy keeper in an inferior or more porous side gets more chances to shine. It overlooks the keeper's role in organising and instilling confidence in the defensive unit. It's not the number of saves a keeper makes that marks them out. Buffon for example has spent almost 800 games behind a miserly Juve or Itay defence and no-one is saying that the jury is out on him
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Post by welshiron on Jun 5, 2017 15:01:08 GMT
I haven't seen Maxwell play at all so can't form a view on his merits, or Davies' for that matter. And, I think there's a similar issue with Ward. Although I've seen him a few times, he's played behind such a strong defence that I haven't seen him make hardly any saves. He only had around 3-4 saves to make across the whole 240 minutes in the playoffs and when I've followed bbc's live text throughout the season, it's been a similar story. I'm not saying you can't get tested outside the EPL, if he were playing for Burton Albion I'm sure he would have had plenty to do. But, this year I don't think he's had that and typically only faced 1-2 shots per game. Assuming he gets another loan with Huddersfield next season, I'm pretty sure their defence won't keep out the opposition as effectively, thereby giving Ward a greater opportunity to show what he can do. It could have the same sort of impact as when Hart went on loan to Birmingham - he had so much to do and really impressed, it was his breakthrough season. The same could happen with Ward if he's good enough, or it could go the other way and show that he's not a brilliant shot stopper. I think that it is too simplistic to say a busy keeper in an inferior or more porous side gets more chances to shine. It overlooks the keeper's role in organising and instilling confidence in the defensive unit. It's not the number of saves a keeper makes that marks them out. Buffon for example has spent almost 800 games behind a miserly Juve or Itay defence and no-one is saying that the jury is out on him Bit of a stretch that comparison A sign of a quality keeper is when they make match wining or match saving saves. A keeper will also be tested more in the premier league as there is far more pressure on them and every mistake will be highlighted
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Post by manulike on Jun 16, 2017 20:47:17 GMT
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Post by iot on Jul 22, 2017 12:33:08 GMT
If Klopp did block a return for Ward on loan to Huddersfield, I don't get his thinking at all. He clearly doesn't see him competing for the top two keeper spots if preseason is anything to go by, with Ward not featuring in any of the four games so far - Mignolet and the German keeper have started two apiece.
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Post by zenith on Jul 22, 2017 17:44:22 GMT
If Klopp did block a return for Ward on loan to Huddersfield, I don't get his thinking at all. He clearly doesn't see him competing for the top two keeper spots if preseason is anything to go by, with Ward not featuring in any of the four games so far - Mignolet and the German keeper have started two apiece. if that has been the case he will be a Huddersfield player in no time
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Post by georgetm1 on Jul 22, 2017 18:45:27 GMT
Wherever Ward has been loaned out to, he has been highly regarded and praised by those teams fans. When he was with Aberdeen, they were top of the league until he got recalled and basically he single handedly got Huddersfield into the Premier league.
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Post by phillywelsh83 on Jul 25, 2017 11:58:01 GMT
Wherever Ward has been loaned out to, he has been highly regarded and praised by those teams fans. When he was with Aberdeen, they were top of the league until he got recalled and basically he single handedly got Huddersfield into the Premier league. Bit unfair on the rest of the Huddersfield team and manager who have done an amazing job.
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Post by welshdon on Jul 25, 2017 18:01:42 GMT
Wherever Ward has been loaned out to, he has been highly regarded and praised by those teams fans. When he was with Aberdeen, they were top of the league until he got recalled and basically he single handedly got Huddersfield into the Premier league. OMG - Danny fan or not we should remain respectful to others. Aberdeen have been well placed during and continue to be so after Ward left. As for Huddersfield Ward took the vast majority of the season to win the fans over. Check out their forum and you will see they were critical of his dominance around his area in particular taking crosses.
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Post by gwelfryn04 on Aug 2, 2017 16:27:14 GMT
Danny ward to start v atletico Madrid tonight in the Audi cup
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Post by zenith on Aug 2, 2017 17:45:55 GMT
Woodburn also starts tonight
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