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Post by welshiron on Nov 25, 2019 19:47:06 GMT
Hard to believe he probably wont make the 23 after that Austrian goal.
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Post by dai on Nov 25, 2019 20:17:42 GMT
Ive mentioned quite a few times on here that out of the current crop, Woodburn looks the least likely to make it. Probably will be proven right. Doesnt help he has no distinct position. He’s looked like a 10 to me but not a very good one.
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Post by larslagerback on Nov 25, 2019 23:33:57 GMT
I'm not going to write off a just turned twenty year old yet.
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Post by impeachabull on Nov 25, 2019 23:41:29 GMT
Agreed. It's just too early to say either way. At the same age, Dan James went on loan to League 1 Shrewsbury, failed to make a single appearance, and got his loan terminated about 8 months early.
Now he's one of Manchester United's best players and probably worth more than Shrewsbury's cumulative revenue for their entire existence.
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Post by quetzal on Nov 25, 2019 23:45:44 GMT
Agreed. It's just too early to say either way. At the same age, Dan James went on loan to League 1 Shrewsbury, failed to make a single appearance, and got his loan terminated about 8 months early. Now he's one of Manchester United's best players and probably worth more than Shrewsbury's cumulative revenue for their entire existence. Harry Wilson bombed at Crewe too. Can happen.
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Post by marsvolta on Nov 25, 2019 23:50:31 GMT
Agreed. It's just too early to say either way. At the same age, Dan James went on loan to League 1 Shrewsbury, failed to make a single appearance, and got his loan terminated about 8 months early. Now he's one of Manchester United's best players and probably worth more than Shrewsbury's cumulative revenue for their entire existence. Add Joe Rodon to the list, only just broke into the Wales squad and he’s 22.
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Post by pendragon on Nov 26, 2019 9:20:26 GMT
Still reckon it's far too early to write him off. Wasn't Daniel James on loan to Shrewsbury Town as recently as eighteen months ago? Point is, anything can happen in terms of his development. He has previously shown flashes of promise. He may regain that, or perhaps he won't.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 26, 2019 9:42:32 GMT
The loan to League 1 will do him a world of good. I predict that he will have an OK season this year, and then next year he will start getting back to his best. Hopefully he can step up to the Championship next year.
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Post by welshiron on Nov 26, 2019 11:31:22 GMT
Woodburn could still turn out to be a great player. Liverpool dont hand out long contracts without a reason.
Think it will depend on the lads attitude
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Post by walesgolfmadrid on Nov 26, 2019 11:36:21 GMT
By all means he was supposed to be performing really well for Oxford when he picked up the injury, and there fans were gutted to lose him for three months. He's still only just turned 20, he's still got a lot of potential and whether he makes it or not depends how he gets on in the next couple of years.
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Post by alarch on Nov 26, 2019 17:17:21 GMT
Turning into yet another "do a Cymro down" thread. Amongst his cohort in the U23s Woodburn was the standout player for me, above James, Wilson, Rodon, Mepham, Ampadu and Smith. He then puts in two game-winning performances for the seniors in must win games that took us to the brink of the World Cup play-offs, against Austria and Moldova away, whilst a teenager, with a sensational finish in the former game and lung-busting run and superb assist in the latter.
The lad is class, and whilst nothing is guaranteed in football, as in life, he's far more likely to develop into an all-time great for Cymru rather than fade into oblivion. Am I really the only one who sees it that way? Because to me his talent is as clear as the nights are long.
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Post by welshiron on Nov 26, 2019 17:32:04 GMT
Turning into yet another "do a Cymro down" thread. Amongst his cohort in the U23s Woodburn was the standout player for me, above James, Wilson, Rodon, Mepham, Ampadu and Smith. He then puts in two game-winning performances for the seniors in must win games that took us to the brink of the World Cup play-offs, against Austria and Moldova away, whilst a teenager, with a sensational finish in the former game and lung-busting run and superb assist in the latter. The lad is class, and whilst nothing is guaranteed in football, as in life, he's far more likely to develop into an all-time great for Cymru rather than fade into oblivion. Am I really the only one who sees it that way? Because to me his talent is as clear as the nights are long. Not quite as convinced partly because I. Not sure what position he will end up playing. Undoubtedly ability but success will be more down to attitude at this stage of his career. How much does he want it?
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Post by alarch on Nov 26, 2019 18:07:07 GMT
Turning into yet another "do a Cymro down" thread. Amongst his cohort in the U23s Woodburn was the standout player for me, above James, Wilson, Rodon, Mepham, Ampadu and Smith. He then puts in two game-winning performances for the seniors in must win games that took us to the brink of the World Cup play-offs, against Austria and Moldova away, whilst a teenager, with a sensational finish in the former game and lung-busting run and superb assist in the latter. The lad is class, and whilst nothing is guaranteed in football, as in life, he's far more likely to develop into an all-time great for Cymru rather than fade into oblivion. Am I really the only one who sees it that way? Because to me his talent is as clear as the nights are long. Not quite as convinced partly because I. Not sure what position he will end up playing. Undoubtedly ability but success will be more down to attitude at this stage of his career. How much does he want it? Any reason to think he doesn't want it? Mindset is important for sure, but raw ability and the right opportunity to develop is far more important. Clearly joining a promotion-winning side in Sheffield United wasn't the right move, with the benefit of hingsight, but then the same could be said of Ampadu and Leipzig, Smith and QPR, and James at Shrewsbury. We can be very confident about two out of the four being long-term successes, why not the other two? Woodburn could be a wildcard option for us if he has a stellar second half of the season.
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Post by walesgolfmadrid on Nov 26, 2019 18:13:55 GMT
Turning into yet another "do a Cymro down" thread. Amongst his cohort in the U23s Woodburn was the standout player for me, above James, Wilson, Rodon, Mepham, Ampadu and Smith. He then puts in two game-winning performances for the seniors in must win games that took us to the brink of the World Cup play-offs, against Austria and Moldova away, whilst a teenager, with a sensational finish in the former game and lung-busting run and superb assist in the latter. The lad is class, and whilst nothing is guaranteed in football, as in life, he's far more likely to develop into an all-time great for Cymru rather than fade into oblivion. Am I really the only one who sees it that way? Because to me his talent is as clear as the nights are long. I agree. I just think a lot of young players have come through recently, and people's expectations of the development of young players is too high which is due to how well Rodon, Dan James, Ampadu, Wilson and Brooks are developing. I also think it's due to him being a little bit on the fringes due to our strength in his position in particular. He'll be a top player in time, he's talented, and I've seen nothing to suggest his attitude is anything other than good. He just needs to be playing, and he will be next month if he recovers from this injury.
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Post by larslagerback on Nov 26, 2019 20:41:27 GMT
Turning into yet another "do a Cymro down" thread. Amongst his cohort in the U23s Woodburn was the standout player for me, above James, Wilson, Rodon, Mepham, Ampadu and Smith. He then puts in two game-winning performances for the seniors in must win games that took us to the brink of the World Cup play-offs, against Austria and Moldova away, whilst a teenager, with a sensational finish in the former game and lung-busting run and superb assist in the latter. The lad is class, and whilst nothing is guaranteed in football, as in life, he's far more likely to develop into an all-time great for Cymru rather than fade into oblivion. Am I really the only one who sees it that way? Because to me his talent is as clear as the nights are long. The 8 posts before yours were all positive about Woodburn. So not really doing anyone down.
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Post by melynwy on Nov 26, 2019 20:53:01 GMT
Mindset is important for sure, but raw ability and the right opportunity to develop is far more important. I have to disagree on this. The right mindset is far more important for a footballer's career than ability. Granted, to reach the very top you need both (a few mavericks like Maradona and Best excepted, maybe!), but given a decent amount of ability, a limited player can reach a high level if the mindset and professionalism is there - see Gary Speed, Gary Neville etc. There are innumerable stories of exceptionally gifted footballers who never came to anything. The raw ability is less than half the equation in my mind.
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Post by alarch on Nov 26, 2019 22:26:21 GMT
Mindset is important for sure, but raw ability and the right opportunity to develop is far more important. I have to disagree on this. The right mindset is far more important for a footballer's career than ability. Granted, to reach the very top you need both (a few mavericks like Maradona and Best excepted, maybe!), but given a decent amount of ability, a limited player can reach a high level if the mindset and professionalism is there - see Gary Speed, Gary Neville etc. There are innumerable stories of exceptionally gifted footballers who never came to anything. The raw ability is less than half the equation in my mind. You have a bit of a point, but in the case of a talented player like Woodburn something would have to be very wrong psychologically for his talent not to come to the fore. It's not as if we're talking about a player who's never done it at senior level. There are also plenty of players who have been very troubled who have nevertheless still shone. And not just George Best.
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Post by alarch on Nov 26, 2019 22:28:41 GMT
Turning into yet another "do a Cymro down" thread. Amongst his cohort in the U23s Woodburn was the standout player for me, above James, Wilson, Rodon, Mepham, Ampadu and Smith. He then puts in two game-winning performances for the seniors in must win games that took us to the brink of the World Cup play-offs, against Austria and Moldova away, whilst a teenager, with a sensational finish in the former game and lung-busting run and superb assist in the latter. The lad is class, and whilst nothing is guaranteed in football, as in life, he's far more likely to develop into an all-time great for Cymru rather than fade into oblivion. Am I really the only one who sees it that way? Because to me his talent is as clear as the nights are long. The 8 posts before yours were all positive about Woodburn. So not really doing anyone down. The 9th post before more than outweighed any weak positivity subsequently. We just need to show a bit of faith in our youngsters, especially when they've already done the business for us at international senior level, as Woodburn has.
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Post by larslagerback on Nov 27, 2019 0:02:48 GMT
The 8 posts before yours were all positive about Woodburn. So not really doing anyone down. The 9th post before more than outweighed any weak positivity subsequently. We just need to show a bit of faith in our youngsters, especially when they've already done the business for us at international senior level, as Woodburn has. And your overwhelming positivity certainly balanced the 9th post. 'Weak positivity', or cautious optimism as I prefer to call it, seems about right for this stage of Woodburn's career.
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Post by texan on Dec 20, 2019 10:28:28 GMT
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Post by allezlesrouges on Dec 20, 2019 13:29:52 GMT
What a shame. Everything has gone against him since breaking through for us. He just can’t get any sense of sustained momentum. After scoring for us against Trinidad and then getting a good run of games for Oxford it seemed as though he was heading back in the right direction. He must be so frustrated by these injuries, I do feel for him.
Sounds like he will be back for the last month or two which isn’t really enough time to build any serious momentum or mount a case for inclusion in the Euros (didn’t expect that anyway).
Here’s hoping he can get a full season of senior football under his belt next year. He’s getting to that age where he’s going to start to needing that soon for his development.
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Post by manulike on Jan 10, 2020 19:27:40 GMT
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Post by manulike on Feb 7, 2020 13:47:59 GMT
The right attitude from our Starman! Along with Huws, I'd say there are two players that can make the plane to Baku - as long as they get another 13-15 games under their belts - Ben is due back by the end of the month. Emyr is due back again this weekend after 2 weeks absence.
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Post by robin1864 on Feb 7, 2020 15:44:34 GMT
The right attitude from our Starman! Along with Huws, I'd say there are two players that can make the plane to Baku - as long as they get another 13-15 games under their belts - Ben is due back by the end of the month. Emyr is due back again this weekend after 2 weeks absence. Nice to see he's got the mentality there, but Curtis Jones etc. are younger and above him in the Anfield pecking order. I think he needs a permanent move away so he can make it elsewhere otherwise he'll just become another Joniesta, spending the most crucial years of his career on loan at shit clogger teams with little regard for his ability or well-being, and not really kicking on.
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Post by manulike on Feb 18, 2020 0:39:16 GMT
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Post by richierich333 on Feb 19, 2020 7:48:19 GMT
The only thing that concerns me with him going back to Oxford, is that Karl Robinson looks like Shirley Ghostman.
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Post by manulike on Feb 29, 2020 23:46:57 GMT
UPDATE from today's press meet.
Apparently, Ben is still at Liverpool and is in full training. Due back this week and Robinson said: “Woody will be back in for Shrewsbury [Saturday 7 March].”
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Post by manulike on May 13, 2020 23:55:09 GMT
Ben, Danny Ward and Dave Edwards have teamed up to collect money for Welsh kids up North. So far they have raised 56k!
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Post by cymruramdcfc on May 14, 2020 6:26:57 GMT
Ben, Danny Ward and Dave Edwards have teamed up to collect money for Welsh kids up North. So far they have raised 56k! good to see positives to our footballers than the shite in the rags
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Post by manulike on Jul 1, 2020 17:58:51 GMT
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