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Post by insertname on Aug 5, 2019 18:13:10 GMT
He was crap on Saturday in fairness Was the 'headless chicken' stuff fair? Surprised at that bit.
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Post by alarch on Aug 5, 2019 20:54:51 GMT
The fact that Joe has been our most consistent performer in recent years and (if that thread is to be believed) rubbish for Stoke, suggests very strongly to me that the problem lies with Stoke. Which is no surprise, because they seem to be the personification of a club without a coherent identity, once they ditched Pulis-ball. The player described in that thread - a headless chicken - bears pretty much no comparison to the superbly disciplined, intelligent Joe Allen that represents Wales.
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Post by fiveattheback on Aug 5, 2019 21:28:46 GMT
The fact that Joe has been our most consistent performer in recent years and (if that thread is to be believed) rubbish for Stoke, suggests very strongly to me that the problem lies with Stoke. Which is no surprise, because they seem to be the personification of a club without a coherent identity, once they ditched Pulis-ball. The player described in that thread - a headless chicken - bears pretty much no comparison to the superbly disciplined, intelligent Joe Allen that represents Wales. Or maybe he just wasn't that good on Saturday?
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Post by insertname on Aug 5, 2019 22:56:38 GMT
He used to have a lot of support amongst Stoke fans, but it is noticeable in that thread that most seem to have turned against him now.
He always seems to do a decent job for Wales but there is always the nagging question of why better teams are never even so much as rumoured to be linked with him.
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Post by derynglas on Aug 5, 2019 23:04:07 GMT
Voted man of the match apparently. One or two defending him on there. Its all about opinions at the end of the day.
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Post by cadno on Aug 6, 2019 8:40:25 GMT
Has to do the work of 4 or 5 other players too
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Post by alarch on Aug 6, 2019 13:44:55 GMT
He used to have a lot of support amongst Stoke fans, but it is noticeable in that thread that most seem to have turned against him now. He always seems to do a decent job for Wales but there is always the nagging question of why better teams are never even so much as rumoured to be linked with him. "A decent job for Wales"... What can I say.
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Post by robin1864 on Aug 6, 2019 15:05:22 GMT
Not that they'd have him or need him, but Wolves would be a decent side for Joe.
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Post by iot on Aug 21, 2019 19:30:14 GMT
Shame to see Stoke doing so terribly with a young, progressive Welsh manager and our main midfield man pulling the strings. Doesn't reflect well on either. Joe Allen may be just one player, but he's surrounded by quality and doesn't look like he's having much impact!
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Post by nwcherries on Aug 22, 2019 12:06:32 GMT
I know Allen is popular on here, but my God from the outside looking in he's had an absolute stinker of a season far! Granted he's still stuck playing for one of the most unlikable clubs in the league, but even so. Hopefully for your sake he doesn't carry this form into the Wales games.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Aug 22, 2019 12:17:05 GMT
I know Allen is popular on here, but my God from the outside looking in he's had an absolute stinker of a season far! Granted he's still stuck playing for one of the most unlikable clubs in the league, but even so. Hopefully for your sake he doesn't carry this form into the Wales games. He always turns up for us, no matter what his club form's like. I'm not concerned.
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Post by richierich333 on Aug 22, 2019 13:03:27 GMT
I love Allen to bits but he should've told his agent to manufacture a move back to the PL. Anyone who is good enough but CHOOSES to play in the Championship (albeit on very high wages) is wasting their very short careers. Show some ambition.
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Post by nwcherries on Aug 22, 2019 14:19:18 GMT
I know Allen is popular on here, but my God from the outside looking in he's had an absolute stinker of a season far! Granted he's still stuck playing for one of the most unlikable clubs in the league, but even so. Hopefully for your sake he doesn't carry this form into the Wales games. He always turns up for us, no matter what his club form's like. I'm not concerned. Never seen him have a bad game for you tbf. Just think it's a bit of a shame he's not decided to move on; even to a better club in the Championship. The longer he stays at Stoke, the worse he looks and the more his stock drops. He will eventually decline even for Wales if he keeps his current form up; and I'm saying that as a huge, neutral fan of his. If it can happen to Bale it will happen to Allen too. Plus, I'd imagine Wales fans tuning in to watch Stoke to keep an eye on Allen, have the same level of enjoyment I get when I want to watch Fraser for Scotland; i.e not a fun time!
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Post by 1gwaunview on Aug 22, 2019 16:09:45 GMT
I know Allen is popular on here, but my God from the outside looking in he's had an absolute stinker of a season far! Granted he's still stuck playing for one of the most unlikable clubs in the league, but even so. Hopefully for your sake he doesn't carry this form into the Wales games. He always turns up for us, no matter what his club form's like. I'm not concerned. Best player for Wales by far in the last two games. Let's hope he keeps it up, but remaining at Stoke is baffling (other than monetary reasons).
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Post by CrackityJones on Aug 22, 2019 18:13:42 GMT
I like to think Joe will have a long fruitful career, excelling for Wales into his mid to late thirties. His Stoke years will be looked back on as a bit of a mid career slump, after which he moved to bigger and better things in the top flight, dictating games at his pace and chalking up 100+ caps for his country.
Anything less would be a crime against football.
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Post by holmesdaleultra on Aug 22, 2019 20:30:57 GMT
Stoke City are just awful to watch.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Aug 23, 2019 8:36:32 GMT
I like to think Joe will have a long fruitful career, excelling for Wales into his mid to late thirties. His Stoke years will be looked back on as a bit of a mid career slump, after which he moved to bigger and better things in the top flight, dictating games at his pace and chalking up 100+ caps for his country. Anything less would be a crime against football. His time at Stoke City will not be the years he's thinking about when he stops to reflect on his career in 20 years time, while tending to his chicken farm.
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Post by welshiron on Aug 23, 2019 14:19:20 GMT
Think he should get more stick with his Jack of ambition. People slating Bale but Allen can do no wrong
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Post by richierich333 on Aug 23, 2019 15:07:15 GMT
Think he should get more stick with his Jack of ambition. People slating Bale but Allen can do no wrong Did you miss my post then?
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Post by welshiron on Aug 23, 2019 15:09:53 GMT
No but you and I are in the minority on this one.
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Post by fiveattheback on Aug 23, 2019 20:33:27 GMT
Think he should get more stick with his Jack of ambition. People slating Bale but Allen can do no wrong Allen is a bit of a sacred cow on here and I do think that Wales fans overrate him a bit
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Post by robin1864 on Aug 23, 2019 20:43:15 GMT
Think he should get more stick with his Jack of ambition. People slating Bale but Allen can do no wrong Allen is a bit of a sacred cow on here and I do think that Wales fans overrate him a bit A lot of our players are sacred cows on here. Only 4 months ago, "Ash could still do a job at a mid-table PL side", in spite of the fact his form has been poor consistently for 2 seasons. Allen needs to get out of Stoke. The longer he's there, the less interested everyone else is in him. Should have gone to Everton before they stocked up in midfield.
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Post by Albert on Aug 24, 2019 8:47:16 GMT
Think he's been dropped to the bench for today's match !
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Post by alarch on Aug 24, 2019 10:16:15 GMT
I think people are being a bit naive about the ability of players to force their departure. Jack Butland has signalled his desire to leave Stoke for a while and yet he's still there: www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/9734325/stoke-transfer-news-jack-butland/ For all we know Allen has been signalling his desire to leave as well, but a bit more discretely. The recent loss of form of both players may well reflect their dissatisfaction at being held to their contracts. Regardless, the idea that Joe can simply snap his fingers and he gets his wish to leave granted is not realistic.
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Post by alarch on Aug 24, 2019 10:38:21 GMT
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Post by fiveattheback on Aug 24, 2019 12:58:52 GMT
Why shouldn't Stoke want to make their money back?
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Post by manulike on Aug 24, 2019 13:38:17 GMT
OH, DEAR!!! You guys are the kiss of death to our Joe. Dropped today to the bench - after 49 straight starts...
And, even worse, Vokes is dropped entirely ...
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Post by wirralwelsh on Aug 24, 2019 14:17:24 GMT
Think he should get more stick with his Jack of ambition. People slating Bale but Allen can do no wrong Allen is a bit of a sacred cow on here and I do think that Wales fans overrate him a bit You're not allowed to criticise Ben Davies either to be fair. Even when his defensive botch up loses us a key match. Much easier to assign blame to James Lawrence
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Post by CrackityJones on Aug 24, 2019 16:32:40 GMT
OH, DEAR!!! You guys are the kiss of death to our Joe. Dropped today to the bench - after 49 straight starts...
And, even worse, Vokes is dropped entirely ...
That went well...
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Post by alarch on Aug 25, 2019 18:36:57 GMT
www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/curious-joe-allen-situation-explained-16811464£18 million is a ludicrous asking price for Joe Allen given his age and current club playing status - especially, as the article mentions Delph left Man City for Everton for £13.5 million. Come the next transfer window he needs to make his feelings known publically - there's only so much loyalty a club can call on. Perhaps his performances of late are his way, perhaps indirectly, of demonstrating his dissatisfaction at the situation he's been placed in.
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