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Post by jimexotic on Feb 9, 2023 21:18:36 GMT
We need to remember that we haven't been able to field the best version of Joe Allen for quite some time now, the writing was on the wall months ago. He knows better than anyone what he's capable of, it's up to the others to step up now, a big opportunity for a number of our players to emerge from the shadows of Bale and Allen and prove their worth.
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Feb 12, 2023 12:42:33 GMT
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Post by cadno on Feb 12, 2023 12:42:33 GMT
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Post by cadno on Mar 8, 2023 23:39:23 GMT
Fair play, he’s left us in a good place! Cheers Joe!
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Post by vaulksthrowfanclub on Mar 9, 2023 9:28:34 GMT
This injury crisis perfectly encapsulates my dislike of international retirements. Crazy that our best midfielder is unavailable to us for something other than injury. Hope Page reaches out to him. Or, ideally, Joe reaches out to Pagey.
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Mar 9, 2023 22:19:53 GMT
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 9, 2023 22:19:53 GMT
He's said his body can't handle it anymore, we can't call up a player who's worried about their legs giving out at any given minute, simple as!
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Post by barneycat1 on Mar 9, 2023 23:01:25 GMT
He is struggling with injuries at Swansea.
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Post by jimexotic on Mar 10, 2023 21:47:23 GMT
Right I'm going to be honest, the writing was on the wall after the Ukraine game, it was clear as day that he was done, injuries were taking their toll. On another day they'd have got the penalty, scored and we probably wouldn't have qualified, it was slack from Allen and slack because he wasn't the player he was anymore and he definitely isn't that player now. We saw at the World Cup that it doesn't matter who you are, we can't carry players that are faded versions of themselves. When Allen got that shot away against England there was no confidence in him s he set himself up, it was hopeful as hell. Injuries, lack of sharpness, it's taking it's toll on him. We need to move on and we really need to have plans in place for player development because we're far too reliant on players having Welsh grandparents that don't think they're going to play for England. That's the problem highlighted by Joe Allen recognising that his body just can't do it and he can't give us what we need, we need more players emerging.
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Post by saturn9 on Mar 10, 2023 22:30:35 GMT
He is struggling with injuries at Swansea. Everything is a struggle at present at Swansea. Going up to watch them v Boro Saturday. Allen was woeful last time I saw him live v Stoke, as were the majority of the Swans players. Cooper& Whittaker being the only bright spots for them that night.
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Post by dai on Apr 19, 2023 21:02:02 GMT
Joe Allen masterclass tonight (assist and goal) apparently, but got sent off after being subbed for fighting with the Preston manager?! Hands raised according to some on twitter. Any idea wtf happened?!
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Post by jbt95 on Apr 20, 2023 5:48:14 GMT
Joe Allen masterclass tonight (assist and goal) apparently, but got sent off after being subbed for fighting with the Preston manager?! Hands raised according to some on twitter. Any idea wtf happened?! He was a joy to watch last night, really did roll back the years. Jay Fulton went down with a head injury but the ref didn’t blow as PNE were in a good position to score, and of course they wouldn’t put the ball out. 3 games out now minimum, end of the season for him!
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Post by surge on Apr 20, 2023 8:40:10 GMT
Joe Allen masterclass tonight (assist and goal) apparently, but got sent off after being subbed for fighting with the Preston manager?! Hands raised according to some on twitter. Any idea wtf happened?! He was a joy to watch last night, really did roll back the years. Jay Fulton went down with a head injury but the ref didn’t blow as PNE were in a good position to score, and of course they wouldn’t put the ball out. 3 games out now minimum, end of the season for him! Replay suggests Preston player went elbow raised into back of Fulton's head/upper back from behind. I think Joe was right to verbally express frustration that it was missed and wrong to get involved in pushing and shoving. He's a senior player after all.
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Jun 22, 2023 23:11:19 GMT
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Post by quetzal on Jun 22, 2023 23:11:19 GMT
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Post by njdragon on Jun 23, 2023 7:59:43 GMT
100% i'd have him back - persuade him to play the last remaining games - we dont have anyone that can do what he does. He was pivotal in our success and unlike Bale he didnt drop off (as much) when he got older, he's just an intelligent player and you dont lose that with age.
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Post by dai on Jun 23, 2023 8:43:58 GMT
Why would he break his back and return to play under this shambolic setup?
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Post by njdragon on Jun 23, 2023 9:08:13 GMT
Why would he break his back and return to play under this shambolic setup? its 4 games and he's only 33 its not back breaking work. I think its an excellent point by Jones - we need him.
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Post by dai on Jun 23, 2023 9:19:12 GMT
Why would he break his back and return to play under this shambolic setup? its 4 games and he's only 33 its not back breaking work. I think its an excellent point by Jones - we need him. He's not going to be the difference whether we win, lose or draw sadly.
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Post by njdragon on Jun 23, 2023 9:30:09 GMT
its 4 games and he's only 33 its not back breaking work. I think its an excellent point by Jones - we need him. He's not going to be the difference whether we win, lose or draw sadly. Its worth a shot but can page convince him, as tudor jones says: "But we won't get to the next Euros without Joe coming back into midfield." We massively missed him during the world cup
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Post by cogancoronation31 on Jun 23, 2023 9:35:45 GMT
We must win in Latvia (September) and at home to Croatia (October).
If a fit Joe Allen is willing to return and help to achieve the above, that's great.
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Post by janglingjack on Jun 23, 2023 10:10:08 GMT
Maybe more people should be asking why we have to beg retired players to come back,can't anyone step up or are we going to have a team old O.A.P'S soon? Doesn't anyone actually coach players in this country or are we turning into a country that just steals them from anywhere we can.
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Post by talyfan on Jun 23, 2023 10:13:39 GMT
He won't I don't think. Referenced time and I juries for reasons for retiring.
Best focus on the lads we do have available. Terry Taylor, Will Vaulks, Omar Taylor Clarke and Jordan James all hopefully getting some minutes next season in the championship. Levitt too.
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Post by cogancoronation31 on Jun 23, 2023 10:42:10 GMT
If Joe Allen isn't keen on a return...
Will Vaulks as a forceful character on the field and worthy of consideration for a place against South Korea in the early September friendly. It really does look as though we are short on a hard-working 'shouter' who rallies the teammates around him, something which Vaulks would do.
That said, Vaulks himself fears that he is not part of RP's plans - and, as we all know, RP doesn't readily change his 'plans'.
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Jun 24, 2023 6:19:32 GMT
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Post by cadno on Jun 24, 2023 6:19:32 GMT
I mentioned at the time Page should’ve done loads more to keep Allen and Joniesta. OTJ one of JA’s good mates confirmed this on his podcast with Malcolm Allen! Scandalous tbf, the convos should’ve gone “Oh please don’t retire quite yet, you’re a massive part of our plans, we won’t overplay you but it’s only 8 games and I’m desperate to get over the World Cup now and have a real go at qualifying for Germany for the fans and making an impact when we get there’
Instead he let the players go ‘Thanks for your service lads’ 😂 ffs, with one of our best midfielders of all time too! Ridiculous
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Post by zserty on Jun 24, 2023 8:01:19 GMT
Maybe more people should be asking why we have to beg retired players to come back,can't anyone step up or are we going to have a team old O.A.P'S soon? Doesn't anyone actually coach players in this country or are we turning into a country that just steals them from anywhere we can. I'd quite like Sheehan to be brought in to play, has had a number of good seasons but never seems to be given a chance. Got youngsters on the bench who Page clearly doesn't trust and older players like Morrell not adding much whilst he has tried to crowbar an aging Ramsey into a deeper midfield role.
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Post by hooky on Jun 24, 2023 8:08:40 GMT
TBH once a player makes that decision - their heart is not in it.
How many comebacks work out well when someone is past their prime?
If we had RND back fit and where he was then I'd be tempted to put Neco in the middle as at least he would track back and given how committed he is I think he would adapt and prioritise keeping the ball and transitioning it rather than taking on his man. This could also allow Ampadu to slot back in central defence for Rodon should we want to transition a youngster in alongside him. Think we need more energy in the centre of the park and Neco will certainly give you that and he would also drive play forward much more.
Look at England with Trent - pushing him forward. You can surely do that with Neco too
RND is more defensive and so him and Ampadu would surely improve our defence. I hope a new right back emerges too as Roberts is not playing well for us at the moment
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Jun 25, 2023 9:43:59 GMT
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Post by cadno on Jun 25, 2023 9:43:59 GMT
How does anyone know that Page didn't try to talk him out from retiring? Some bizarre comments Now we know!
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Jun 25, 2023 10:46:31 GMT
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Post by saturn9 on Jun 25, 2023 10:46:31 GMT
Saw Joe last play for Swan's home against Preston. Under Rusty he was subbed more often than not on 65-70 mins, hate to say it but he looks a shadow of the player he once was.
Hopefully a decent pre season under his belt may change my opinion on Joe Bach.
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Jun 25, 2023 13:18:57 GMT
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Post by rob on Jun 25, 2023 13:18:57 GMT
OTJ is a close friend to Joe Allen and was told the contents of the Allen/Page conversation.No effort was made to persuade Joe to stay on.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 25, 2023 13:57:14 GMT
I know we are desperate for a midfielder of Allen's former quality, but I don't think the way forward is to turn back to him. He's not the player he was
I'd rather us utilise someone like Sheehan, MJ Williams or Tom Lowery as a replacement for an experienced midfielder, whilst also trying to bring through the likes of JJ, Savage & Terry Taylor
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Post by jimexotic on Jun 26, 2023 18:18:37 GMT
He would be rubbish if we brought him back, he's done, everything has caught up with him like it has caught up with nearly everyone who was part of Euro 2016. It's over and it's embarrassing that he's seen as a temporary answer, the World Cup showed how he can't do it anymore, seven months on from then nothing has changed. If we were a better organised side and set up properly there'd probably be a way to fit Joe in but he'd look godawful in the current team. Someone HAS to step up. To be honest I think Ramsey is getting in the way a bit, he's not really doing anything, he's not linking play, he's not using the ball economically, he keeps trying to pull things off and that is what led to him giving away the penalty against Turkey, dicked about, then tried hard to atone for it and gave away a penalty. I wish we had a new clued up manager to just come in and start afresh, four games in and we're asking for a guy that is going through the motions to come back and fill one of the biggest holes in international football, the Wales midfield.
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Post by cadno on Jun 27, 2023 12:50:15 GMT
Nonsense, he wasn’t fit and hadn’t played at all leading up to the World Cup. He’s still better than pretty much all our other midfielders and would walk into the starting 11.
Unfair on Ramsey too, I’ve seen him play well for Nice at the tail end of last season, usually when they had a back 5 and 3 in midfield. It doesn’t help when Page plays him deep or with Ampadu the only holding.
Allen Ramsey Morrell/Amps would be a decent mid 3.
I agree that we need to look at other players though, the wolves kid is suppose to be decent, Pompey fans think a lot of Lowery, Josh Sheehan is very good and it’s worth giving him an opportunity.
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