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Post by larslagerback on Sept 20, 2018 21:52:16 GMT
He's just turned 18. He'll be getting football at Chelsea.
We don't want a Michael Owen situation here.
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Sept 21, 2018 4:10:52 GMT
He's just turned 18. He'll be getting football at Chelsea. We don't want a Michael Owen situation here. Agree, said this before, bringing in to young and playing every game not good at young age. He can develope with stars at Chelsea. If he does go out on loan 90% certain it be to derby with mount, tomori and lampard (Chelsea reservers)
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Post by Martyn Moses on Sept 21, 2018 6:10:24 GMT
How old was Wayne Rooney when he made is name in the Everton 1st team ?
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Post by richierich333 on Sept 21, 2018 7:39:01 GMT
Owen was 16 when he first started in the seniors wasn't he? By 18 he was already at a world cup and winning the world player of the year. Also they play in completely different positions and Owen relied heavily on his pace so when that faded so did his impact on games.
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Post by welshiron on Sept 21, 2018 8:00:17 GMT
He needs to be playing games, however how much will his game be improving training with Hazard etc.
Think he will be a top top player whichever way he goes.
In fairness, Chelsea played a near full strength team
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Post by zenith on Sept 26, 2018 18:35:15 GMT
Not in the Chelsea 18 tonight and didn't play for the U21's against Newport last night
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Post by iot on Sept 26, 2018 18:56:37 GMT
It's so frustrating, why wasn't he made available for loan?
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Post by zenith on Sept 26, 2018 19:23:26 GMT
It's so frustrating, why wasn't he made available for loan? Arguably he will learn more by training with Kante, Hazard etc. than playing in the Championship. Though I’ll be honest, I expected him to be on the bench tonight but they’ve picked a very strong squad against Liverpool.
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Post by iot on Sept 26, 2018 19:32:47 GMT
It's so frustrating, why wasn't he made available for loan? Arguably he will learn more by training with Kante, Hazard etc. than playing in the Championship. Though I’ll be honest, I expected him to be on the bench tonight but they’ve picked a very strong squad against Liverpool. Hmmm, not sure if I buy that. It wouldn't event be a championship side, Warnock has already publicly stated that Cardiff wants him but implied that Chelsea aren't entertaining any offers. I just hope that Sarri has his development in mind, rather than using him to make up the squad numbers.
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Post by zenith on Sept 26, 2018 19:50:06 GMT
Arguably he will learn more by training with Kante, Hazard etc. than playing in the Championship. Though I’ll be honest, I expected him to be on the bench tonight but they’ve picked a very strong squad against Liverpool. Hmmm, not sure if I buy that. It wouldn't event be a championship side, Warnock has already publicly stated that Cardiff wants him but implied that Chelsea aren't entertaining any offers. I just hope that Sarri has his development in mind, rather than using him to make up the squad numbers. yeah, Warnock stated that 2 weeks ago, not 7 weeks ago when the transfer window was still open.
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Post by iot on Sept 26, 2018 20:54:25 GMT
Hmmm, not sure if I buy that. It wouldn't event be a championship side, Warnock has already publicly stated that Cardiff wants him but implied that Chelsea aren't entertaining any offers. I just hope that Sarri has his development in mind, rather than using him to make up the squad numbers. yeah, Warnock stated that 2 weeks ago, not 7 weeks ago when the transfer window was still open. Yes, but if something is said in public, there's a good chance a 100 similar things are said between clubs and agents behind closed doors. Chances are that PL clubs would have been interested while the window was open, but Chelsea clearly don't want to loan him out, or play him either...
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Post by welwyn on Sept 27, 2018 7:33:55 GMT
I'd be more worried if he had never played 1st team football.
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Sept 27, 2018 8:45:08 GMT
Arguably he will learn more by training with Kante, Hazard etc. than playing in the Championship. Though I’ll be honest, I expected him to be on the bench tonight but they’ve picked a very strong squad against Liverpool. Hmmm, not sure if I buy that. It wouldn't event be a championship side, Warnock has already publicly stated that Cardiff wants him but implied that Chelsea aren't entertaining any offers. I just hope that Sarri has his development in mind, rather than using him to make up the squad numbers. it is common knowledge Frank wanted him at derby and was blocked. if he was going to be loaned out i can see only one club taking him.. frank and jody morris have a big pull at derby now more than warnock will have.
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Post by kingstonred on Sept 27, 2018 9:29:03 GMT
Although I'm disappointed that he wasn't in the squad, I think that as a player who has just turned 18, he's best continuing his development at Chelsea, at least for this season.
Take a look at Harry Wilson - We all bemoaned the fact he was playing for Liverpool U23s up until he was 21, but now he's absolutely flying in the Championship, because he had time to develop at a great club. Woodburn on the other hand can't get into a struggling championship team - maybe he wasn't ready for a move to the Championship?
These players are young, let them develop at the huge clubs they are at - I'm sure if Chelsea and Liverpool hadn't gone nearly full strength tonight, Ethan would have been involved.
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Sept 27, 2018 11:31:53 GMT
Although I'm disappointed that he wasn't in the squad, I think that as a player who has just turned 18, he's best continuing his development at Chelsea, at least for this season. Take a look at Harry Wilson - We all bemoaned the fact he was playing for Liverpool U23s up until he was 21, but now he's absolutely flying in the Championship, because he had time to develop at a great club. Woodburn on the other hand can't get into a struggling championship team - maybe he wasn't ready for a move to the Championship? These players are young, let them develop at the huge clubs they are at - I'm sure if Chelsea and Liverpool hadn't gone nearly full strength tonight, Ethan would have been involved. agree with this i said before about rushing players in after the hysteria with woodburn.
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Post by manulike on Sept 27, 2018 11:34:50 GMT
Although I'm disappointed that he wasn't in the squad, I think that as a player who has just turned 18, he's best continuing his development at Chelsea, at least for this season. Take a look at Harry Wilson - We all bemoaned the fact he was playing for Liverpool U23s up until he was 21, but now he's absolutely flying in the Championship, because he had time to develop at a great club. Woodburn on the other hand can't get into a struggling championship team - maybe he wasn't ready for a move to the Championship? These players are young, let them develop at the huge clubs they are at - I'm sure if Chelsea and Liverpool hadn't gone nearly full strength tonight, Ethan would have been involved. Agree with you completely.
With Harry being on fire right now, many seem to forget his poor loan at Crewe where he only played seven matches. Yes. He was too young for that loan move. Yes. Woodburn is not yet ready to play for a Championship struggling side.
Ampadu should stay exactly where he is.
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Post by fiveattheback on Sept 27, 2018 16:34:00 GMT
Although I'm disappointed that he wasn't in the squad, I think that as a player who has just turned 18, he's best continuing his development at Chelsea, at least for this season. Take a look at Harry Wilson - We all bemoaned the fact he was playing for Liverpool U23s up until he was 21, but now he's absolutely flying in the Championship, because he had time to develop at a great club. Woodburn on the other hand can't get into a struggling championship team - maybe he wasn't ready for a move to the Championship? These players are young, let them develop at the huge clubs they are at - I'm sure if Chelsea and Liverpool hadn't gone nearly full strength tonight, Ethan would have been involved. Agree with you completely.
With Harry being on fire right now, many seem to forget his poor loan at Crewe where he only played seven matches. Yes. He was too young for that loan move. Yes. Woodburn is not yet ready to play for a Championship struggling side.
Ampadu should stay exactly where he is.
Sheffield United are 4th
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Post by alarch on Sept 27, 2018 17:06:10 GMT
It all depends on the club and manager. If Woodburn and Amapadu were in the Swansea squad they would be playing week in week out - because of the small size of the squad - and because in Potter Swansea have a manager who isn't afraid of fielding young players if they have the talent and right attitude. It's doubly frustrating for me to see these two players kicking their heels, but both will probably get game time at some stage this season. In Ampadu's case he should get time simply because Sarri's strategy of fielding strong teams and strong benches for Europa League and Carabao Cup games is unsustainable. Had Chelsea played a Championship side or lower I suspect Ampadu would have played this week. Equally, once Chelsea's progress to the knock-out phase of the Europa League is assured Sarri would be nuts not to field youngsters and fringe players, if only to avoid compromising their PL chances. We just need to be patient.
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Post by iot on Sept 27, 2018 17:51:24 GMT
Although I'm disappointed that he wasn't in the squad, I think that as a player who has just turned 18, he's best continuing his development at Chelsea, at least for this season. Take a look at Harry Wilson - We all bemoaned the fact he was playing for Liverpool U23s up until he was 21, but now he's absolutely flying in the Championship, because he had time to develop at a great club. Woodburn on the other hand can't get into a struggling championship team - maybe he wasn't ready for a move to the Championship? These players are young, let them develop at the huge clubs they are at - I'm sure if Chelsea and Liverpool hadn't gone nearly full strength tonight, Ethan would have been involved. Agree with you completely.
With Harry being on fire right now, many seem to forget his poor loan at Crewe where he only played seven matches. Yes. He was too young for that loan move. Yes. Woodburn is not yet ready to play for a Championship struggling side.
Ampadu should stay exactly where he is.
With all due respect, I don't think it's a valid comparison. Harry was clearly not ready for men's football, primarily due to his stature, and it showed during his Crewe loan. However, Amapadu is clearly physically ready and has already played over a dozen senior games and been very good far more often than not.
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Post by larslagerback on Sept 27, 2018 22:29:39 GMT
Agree with you completely.
With Harry being on fire right now, many seem to forget his poor loan at Crewe where he only played seven matches. Yes. He was too young for that loan move. Yes. Woodburn is not yet ready to play for a Championship struggling side.
Ampadu should stay exactly where he is.
With all due respect, I don't think it's a valid comparison. Harry was clearly not ready for men's football, primarily due to his stature, and it showed during his Crewe loan. However, Amapadu is clearly physically ready and has already played over a dozen senior games and been very good far more often than not. Is he ready mentally for a loan and all that entails? Quite a big ask at 18.
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Post by kingstonred on Sept 28, 2018 10:36:34 GMT
With all due respect, I don't think it's a valid comparison. Harry was clearly not ready for men's football, primarily due to his stature, and it showed during his Crewe loan. However, Amapadu is clearly physically ready and has already played over a dozen senior games and been very good far more often than not. Is he ready mentally for a loan and all that entails? Quite a big ask at 18. Exactly. It's not just about going to play football, it's moving away from friends/family/comfortable environment.
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Post by manulike on Oct 2, 2018 11:23:45 GMT
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Post by welshiron on Oct 2, 2018 11:48:29 GMT
Not surprised he oozes class. Shame he's not getting some game time
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Post by CrackityJones on Oct 4, 2018 18:20:26 GMT
On the bench tonight but I’ll be surprised if he plays.
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Post by alarch on Oct 4, 2018 21:03:47 GMT
With Chelsea winning two out of two hopefully he make some game time in the games against BATE Borisov.
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Post by CrackityJones on Oct 11, 2018 21:51:33 GMT
Did a very good impression of Robbie Savage tonight.
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Post by alarch on Oct 11, 2018 22:00:23 GMT
Did a very impression of Robbie Savage tonight. Harsh - but his lack of experienced did show at times, not keeping his discipline positionally. If he doesn't recover for Tuesday I wonder if Smith will start in his place? If he plays as he did when he came on then we'll be fine.
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Post by zenith on Oct 11, 2018 22:29:10 GMT
Did a very impression of Robbie Savage tonight. Harsh - but his lack of experienced did show at times, not keeping his discipline positionally. If he doesn't recover for Tuesday I wonder if Smith will start in his place? If he plays as he did when he came on then we'll be fine. Would 100% play Smith if Ampadu is injured. Please Ryan, do not start Anonymous Andy.
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Post by alarch on Oct 12, 2018 10:24:36 GMT
I thought Smith was exceptional. Anyone else think Joe Allen looked half the player he used to last night? Both Allen and Ampadu didn't play well for sure - but you have to take into consideration that they were facing an overload throughout the first half. This made it impossible to effectively press the Spanish midfield three, and AA were also outnumbered in the defensive phase too, leading to some coughed up possession. Ironically, it was only when Allen went off that we switched to a 4-4-2, and we could meaningfully combat the grip the Spanish midfield had on the game. So, comparing Allen and Ampadu's performance with that of King and Smith is an apples and oranges one. If there is one thing Ampadu needs to work on it's his responsiveness when the ball isn't in front of him. He's a very proactive defender from what I've seen, and when it works, as when he picked Walters' pocket, it works well. But once the ball gets beyond him he doesn't bust a gut to get back. It happened in the lead up to the free kick for the first goal, he also failed to bust a gut to get a block in on that first goal (not the only culprit - Gunter was very slow getting out), and in the Denmark game he let Ericksen go too easily for the opener. I still think he's a class act and against weaker opposition he should excel again. But his tender years and lack of experience does show at times - which is entirely to be expected. By the way, Ampadu had a strong shout for a penalty. If you look at his headed effort that grazed the post the Spanish defender clearly shoves him right in the middle of the chest. Unfortunately, Ampadu's body prevented Taylor from getting a view on it.
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Post by zenith on Oct 13, 2018 13:16:42 GMT
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