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Post by wendywho on Aug 18, 2012 8:27:48 GMT
he made a mistake in joining celtic,turning your back on the premier league to ply your trade in that piss poor league is a massive cop out,he's lost his edge if he isnt a regular starter then he's only got himself to blame Piss poor league? That'll be the league that is on the verge of having a team in this season's Champions League? At least we have a league and can enter a team into the European top table each year. What has Wales got? You have to rely on England to play football. Imagine someone from Wales calling our league piss poor! Hahahaha!
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Post by dayoo87 on Aug 18, 2012 10:40:42 GMT
You won't find anyone sane who will argue that the semi-professional Welsh Premier League is better than the SPL, but that doesn't make it a decent quality league. Only Celtic would have any chance of surviving in the EPL, and even then they'd probably be circling the drain without some serious squad investment.
Talking about Welsh teams playing in England like it's some kind of failure is hypocritical as Celtic and Rangers (oldco) would jump at the chance of joining the English league system, but wouldn't accept going in at League 2 or below like everyone else. Also I seem to remember the 'Super League' they were going to set up with teams from Holland, Belgium and Scandanavia...doesn't sound like your two biggest teams are particularly proud to be playing in your league system. Probably because it's at best second rate in Europe, and at worst a bit of a joke dominated by one team following Rangers' demise.
And then there's the small matter of all those Scottish players who go south of the boarder having been stars in the SPL, only to be found out to be thoroughly average in the EPL or Championship...sort your own problems before you come and tell us about ours.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2012 11:06:08 GMT
You won't find anyone sane who will argue that the semi-professional Welsh Premier League is better than the SPL, but that doesn't make it a decent quality league. Only Celtic would have any chance of surviving in the EPL, and even then they'd probably be circling the drain without some serious squad investment. Talking about Welsh teams playing in England like it's some kind of failure is hypocritical as Celtic and Rangers (oldco) would jump at the chance of joining the English league system, but wouldn't accept going in at League 2 or below like everyone else. Also I seem to remember the 'Super League' they were going to set up with teams from Holland, Belgium and Scandanavia...doesn't sound like your two biggest teams are particularly proud to be playing in your league system. Probably because it's at best second rate in Europe, and at worst a bit of a joke dominated by one team following Rangers' demise. And then there's the small matter of all those Scottish players who go south of the boarder having been stars in the SPL, only to be found out to be thoroughly average in the EPL or Championship...sort your own problems before you come and tell us about ours. Spot on.
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Post by flynnfan on Aug 19, 2012 11:47:37 GMT
Ledley is certainly a better option than Crofts, but with Celtic struggling to a last minute draw vs Ross County I have concerns about his form too. With Vaughan and Collison looking very doubtful, I'd like to see Allen and Ledley as the holding/sitting midfield pair vs Belgium. And I'd hope for a bit of this sort of thing from Joe: www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRVPaA85kqo
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Post by welshiron on Mar 18, 2013 12:31:59 GMT
Likely to win his 45th cap against Scotland, for me I can't remeber him doing that much in a welsh shirt although we do seem to miss him when he doesn't play.
To give him credit he always turns up and gives 100% but is that enough?
He is 26 and has played 375 club games but is out of contract at Celtic. Having been dropped for the big game against Juve I can't see him staying up north.
Would he be welcomed back at Cardiff or will he go to a mid table side like Stoke or Fulham
What are your views on him
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Post by abwales on Mar 18, 2013 12:49:53 GMT
I question if he is even good enough for a mid-table side.
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Post by matty on Mar 18, 2013 13:07:32 GMT
His trouble is he's not exceptional at any one thing. He's a good passer, a good tackler, a good box to box player with a good engine....but will never win you man of the match. You know what you're going to get from him every single game though, 6 or 7 out of 10 every time. In a Wales shirt his goal v Russia is stand out, and didn't he play a lovely reverse pass to set up one of the 3 goals v Scotland in CCS?
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Post by welshiron on Mar 18, 2013 13:59:46 GMT
His goal against Russia was from 2 yards (Bale gift wrapped it for him), but I agree with what you said he is consistant
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Post by squatter1 on Mar 18, 2013 14:14:24 GMT
If Ledley gets a premiership move after Celtic it would be a great result for him, as he's hardly set anyone's world on fire.
A move to a newly promoted Cardiff could be a good shout. I wouldn't see him getting into either Stoke or Fulham's first teams at the moment, sadly.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2013 14:19:10 GMT
That's exactly it- what does he do on a football pitch? What is his role? I can't say I know, or have ever known what he brings to the side apart from being able to pass a ball and run about a bit. Celtic fans seem to talk highly of him so he must have something about him. Never seems to stand out for Wales.
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Post by matty on Mar 18, 2013 16:37:22 GMT
His goal against Russia was from 2 yards (Bale gift wrapped it for him), but I agree with what you said he is consistant Yeah he is, but consistantly average / good at best. Even back in the days when he was a Cardiff superstar (seems a long time ago) he would do well when Cardiff did well, but had poor games when Cardiff were poor. He was never a game changer, he doesn't have that sort of quality. He is what he is though, and we all know what he brings. You do need players like him though, grafters I suppose. My point on the Russia goal was his run to get to the two yards out to score ;D I personally think it was a cracking goal!
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Post by flynnfan on Mar 18, 2013 20:19:08 GMT
Steve Claridge summed up Ledley pretty well 7 years ago... www.guardian.co.uk/football/2006/oct/24/cardiffcityteam responsibilty 10/10. I think he should move to the EPL this summer- he's got his medals and his champions league experience and his 'night we beat the mighty Barcelona' story to tell the grandkids.. I don't see what more he could possibly achieve up there. Our only current player to have scored at Hampden?
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Post by wendywho on Mar 18, 2013 20:29:42 GMT
Our only current player to have scored at Hampden? Here's hoping he stays the only Welsh player to score at Hampden.......
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Post by flynnfan on Mar 18, 2013 20:31:31 GMT
Or did Bellamy get one in a cup final when he played for Celtic?
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Post by Tim P on Mar 18, 2013 22:29:14 GMT
Try Germany or Holland or Italy... I really don't see him being successful in the epl. At least in another league a different type of coach might unlock some hidden potential.
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Post by flynnfan on Mar 19, 2013 9:51:06 GMT
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Post by llannerch on Mar 19, 2013 16:19:54 GMT
I mentioned in a post-Austria thread how I was impressed with his leadership and authority at the end of that game. He's not the flashiest player but brings other necessary strengths
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Post by yanto on Mar 19, 2013 17:51:37 GMT
Radcliffe on radio wales on monday was saying he thinks ledley is crucial to wales. He argued that he does all the stuff the fans do not see but makes a huge difference. judging by the comments on here I can only agree about fans not seeing it!
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Post by toshfan on Mar 19, 2013 17:55:25 GMT
I recall Toshack being a big fan and remember his expression when Ledley scored a screamer for Cardiff at the Liberty. Nothing to do with him being more Cardiff than Swansea etc but was a fan of the player.
I too am a fan. Sometimes seems uncertain whether to be defensive or attacking.
It does say something that those in the know are big fans.
yanto - is this radio segment on iPlayer?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2013 18:03:38 GMT
I like Joe Ledley thought he played really well against Austria. He's not as good as Ramsey Allen or Collison and possibly not as good as Vaughan, but he's consistent and you need a player like him in your team who will do the simple work
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Post by squatter1 on Jul 31, 2013 21:14:41 GMT
Celtic put their first team out in Europe tonight and Ledley wasn't in it.
Unless it was because of injury or fitness, he is wasting his time up there. If he's not first pick for Celtic then he's got to be behind Collison, Vaughan and perhaps even King in our thinking.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2013 21:41:52 GMT
Celtic put their first team out in Europe tonight and Ledley wasn't in it. Unless it was because of injury or fitness, he is wasting his time up there. If he's not first pick for Celtic then he's got to be behind Collison, Vaughan and perhaps even King in our thinking. He's been one of our best players past 2 or 3 games.
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Post by squatter1 on Jul 31, 2013 22:43:40 GMT
I agree he's played a part in some good performances recently. But players playing the majority of their games at League 1 standard are never going to get us anywhere.
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Post by welshiron on Aug 1, 2013 21:19:51 GMT
He is just coming back to fitness and will probably start in the away leg.
Will be interesting to see what happens if they go out next week
Matthews also on the bench
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Post by welshiron on Nov 18, 2013 13:28:39 GMT
Congratulations on getting to 50 caps, I think he is only 26 so could be a contender for 100 caps.
Never a stand out player for me but the type of player you notice when he isn't there. I also feel that his last 5-6 caps have been his best spell.
Hopefully, he will leave Celtic before the next campaign and find himself a english premiership club
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Post by reesg on Nov 18, 2013 17:54:25 GMT
Congrataultions yes - but are we watching the same thing? whenever I see him pull on the Welsh shirt I feel underwhelmed.....you said you notice when he isn't there.... well I noticed that we perform better when he doesn't play e.g. recently against Macedonia (home) and Belgium where our performance was alot better. Also on many occasion when he does play we don't seem to show up:..Serbia away (lost 6-0) (and home 3-0)Croatia away lost (2-0).
He's a good pro - but we have players that can control the ball and distribute it much better than Jo can, and thee are the qualities needed at international level. Wales now have better midfiellders to choose from such as Ramsey, Allen, Collison, Jonny williams, Bale, Adam Matthews and Vaughan I think his future is as a squad player coming in to replace an unfit Jo Allen should the need arise.
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Post by welshiron on Nov 19, 2013 8:27:59 GMT
On the whole I agree, but there is a reason why all the welsh managers have picked him when fit.
I also think he has played better of late but underwhelmed isn't a bad assessment of his welsh career.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2013 2:25:11 GMT
He seems to be another one who likes to play on Saturdays either side of an international break....although the international break I am referring to in this instance is the champions league.
On the bench yet again last night, no doubt will be rolled out to the starting XI with the rest of the stiffs for an away trip to Ross County or whoever the hell they are playing this weekend. Looking at the stats there is a pattern whereby Ledley plays in the league, gets subbed around the 70th minute to make sure he is fit for the bench midweek then comes off the bench in the champs league around the 75th minute for this Kayal guy, every single time.
What a poor career move. The main benefit for us of him playing in a piss poor league is the European experience...has he even got any? A bit part player when it really matters for Celtic. I pray to god he gets some ambition and tries to salvage what's left of his career. He's no great shakes like but even so he should be able to find a club in the lower reaches of the prem. at least he would have a decent standard every week. The writing is on the wall if he is not considered good enough for the few occasions where Celtic face decent opposition.
Would Cardiff have him back?
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Post by dai on Nov 27, 2013 8:14:58 GMT
I remember when he was leaving Cardiff and a few Prem sides were interested in him, Everton/Stoke two of them believe, and he chose Celtic! I can understand the attraction of playing in europe, but moving to a Scottish club showed a serious lack of ambition. If he can't cement a starting spot at Celtic I don't think many Prem clubs would be interest. I really do hope he finds a club though, he's a hard worker on the pitch and tends to be unappreciated in a lot of Welsh games.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2013 9:16:53 GMT
Can't see him leaving Celtic. I think he's been very good for us since our friendly Vs. Austria imo, he's reliable. Plenty of options at CM for us now. Although I'd personally stick to having Ramsey and Allen every time if they're available.
Ramsey Allen Ledley Ramsey Allen Vaughan Ramsey Allen Collison Ramsey Allen King Ramsey Allen Joniesta Ramsey Crofts Allen Ramsey Allen Huws?
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