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Post by gimli on Feb 7, 2023 11:00:54 GMT
He's in real danger of being ruined by Cardiff tbh. Same with Isaak Davies, and all our other young players. Doesn't look like the new manager has any interest in playing them. They'd all be better off leaving and finding clubs that actually want to develop players.
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Post by surge on Feb 13, 2023 18:56:17 GMT
Dalman again pointing finger at Tan saying it's a one man show for decision making at Cardiff City. City are broken behind the scenes and someone needs to get Tan listening that he needs help. Dalman out to protect himself, Choo has disappeared from public viewing.
Warnock back in the league at relegation rival. He's still liked by some local journalist and fans (how? He spent all the parachute payments to get a squad heading towards relegation spots, his spending saw no players worth selling so we were scuppered following end of parachute payments,his relationship with dodgy agents is uncommented part of Sala affair...) so probably will keep them up over us, but would be so sweet if we get to relegate him this year.
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Post by dai on Feb 14, 2023 21:19:32 GMT
Not a single Welsh player in their squad tonight…..shocking lack of Welsh youth development from a Welsh team.
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Post by cymroircarn on Feb 14, 2023 21:44:49 GMT
Just sold one to Man City and another to Man Utd.
Poor management more like
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Post by jimexotic on Feb 14, 2023 22:53:44 GMT
Huge win for them tonight
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Post by bale-droed on Feb 15, 2023 0:49:14 GMT
Not a single Welsh player in their squad tonight…..shocking lack of Welsh youth development from a Welsh team. English team with a Welsh skin. #projectreset #makecardiffcityfcwelsh
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Post by bale-droed on Feb 15, 2023 0:50:57 GMT
Huge win for them tonight All 3 beneath them have 2 games In hand and the 3 above all ya e at least one. There’s still a long way to go but it doesn’t look good
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Post by gimli on Feb 15, 2023 8:57:08 GMT
Well, with that win there goes any hope of seeing Colwill and Davies, or any other Welsh players for that matter, play again for Cardiff for a long while. They all need to leave this joke of a club.
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Post by hooky on Feb 15, 2023 10:33:20 GMT
Its hard
I don't want them to get relegated but have zero interest in an entire squad of our capital city team not having a single Welshman.
Maybe it is their own fault but its so frustrating seeing these mediocre managers 'possibly' holding back the development of talents like Davies and Colwill. I am from Bargoed 19 miles from Cardiff originally but have far more interest in Swansea, Wrexham and Newport than Cardiff right now. Wrexham thriving in the league could be a significant positive for the development of Welsh footballers in the north - albeit maybe I am being a bit naive.
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Post by jbt95 on Feb 15, 2023 10:36:40 GMT
Warnock returns final home game of the season.
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Post by jimexotic on Feb 15, 2023 10:44:02 GMT
Warnock returns final home game of the season. The scene is set
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Post by fiveattheback on Feb 15, 2023 11:18:40 GMT
Just sold one to Man City and another to Man Utd. Poor management more like Quite right The mismanagement of a talented group of young players has been shocking (and it's not some anti-Welsh bias, there are non-Welsh players in there being let down), but to pretend Cardiff don't develop young players is silly. 10 of the Wales u17 squad that qualified for UEFA's Elite Round were developed by Cardiff and some so well-developed they've gone to elite clubs so we're doing something right at that level The club is a mess at the moment and I think if we don't go down this season then we'll go down next season, but Cardiff do seem to get a lot of criticism that the other clubs don't get. How many Welshmen were in Wrexham's squad last night?
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Post by dai on Feb 15, 2023 11:18:49 GMT
I remember a Cardiff fan posting on Twitter this time last year about all the young Welsh talent they had (ages at the time):
Eli King, 19. Colwill, 19. Isaak Davies, 20. Harris, 23. Oliver Denham, 20. Sam Bowen, 21. Kieron Evans, 20.
None of them have amounted to anything really, and the club haven't bothered to develop them either. Colwill has perhaps showed the most potential but he's completely bombed this season.
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Post by gimli on Feb 15, 2023 12:22:58 GMT
The lack of Welsh players at Wrexham isn't ideal either, but I feel we can give them the benefit of the doubt for the time being as they just need to get out of their hell hole of a division asap by any means necessaary. If they still have no Welshmen in their squad in League Two and above then I'll criticise them too. Newport and Swansea have both regularly had 2 or 3+ Welsh players in their lineups this season so nothing really to criticise them for, but there were periods last season when Swansea had none and they were criticised for it on here to be fair.
I also feel that Cardiff being in the capital and largest city has more of a responsibility to develop Welsh players. It's frankly embarrassing seeing the team from the capital of an "independent football nation", who likes to pride itself on being not-England, naming a matchday squad of 80%+ English players and zero Welsh players. As bale-droed says, we are just an English club with a very superficial Welsh skin at this point, and I'm just sick of it really.
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Post by fiveattheback on Feb 15, 2023 13:08:49 GMT
And Cardiff don't need to stay up by any means necessary? The worst thing that could happen to the club this season is relegation to League 1 and the issues that will come with that, the best thing that Cardiff City (and Swansea, Newport & Wrexham) can do for Welsh football is get to the Premier League. I've pointed out in this thread the players Cardiff have and are currently developing who are highly rated, it's no coincidence that they've started to come through after the greater investment in youth facilities afforded by Premier League football. From a Welsh perspective, if Biancheri, Benjamin and Crew go on to play for Wales does it really matter they never played for Cardiff? Cardiff have done their job by providing the lion's share of their development for very little in return. It's been mentioned in this thread that it would be better if Cardiff played in a lower division with Welsh players, that's ridiculous. Cardiff playing in League 2 with 11 Welsh cloggers is good for nobody, the Welsh Bilbao idea is divorced from reality. Cardiff have done the League 2 with a bunch of Welsh players thing, it is in nobody's interest, certainly not the national team's, for us to go back to that
I take issue with the whole English club thing, players don't make the club, the fans do and last night at Birmingham there were plenty of Welsh songs, the fanbase is proudly Welsh and many follow Wales home and away. Would I like there to be more Welsh players in the side? Of course I do and I've said before that the mismanagement by Steve Morison onwards is shocking, but if we're calling teams English for playing English players then our national side is in trouble.
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Post by gimli on Feb 15, 2023 14:36:07 GMT
Of course Cardiff need to stay up, but that isn't mutually exclusive of playing Welsh players. Where we differ from Wrexham is we actually have a few half decent Welsh players in our squad yet we still don't play them. We wouldn't have done any worse this season playing Davies (when fit) instead of Ojo or Philogene, or playing Colwill instead of Sawyers. And as far as what's best for Welsh football, I don't think it makes much difference whether we're in League One, the Championship or the Premier League. We've shown that we don't really care no matter what league we're in.
The past 10-15 years has arguably been Cardiff's most successful period since the 1920s, and yet the club's contribution to Welsh football since producing Ramsey 15+ years ago has effectively been zero. I don't think Cardiff and Swansea being in the PL really had any direct benefit to Welsh football. In Cardiff and Swansea's combined time spent there, I think Ben Davies is the only player of note produced by either team? Rodon and Roberts were only given their chances after Swansea's relegation. And I don't think Cardiff's two single season soujourns in the PL has anything to do with this supposedly decent crop of players coming through now. In fact has it ever even been said that they invested any of that money into the current academy setup? They certainly never upgraded to Cat 1 despite saying they would. I know they're building a new complex now, but that won't have had any effect on the current youth players.
The best thing Cardiff can do for Welsh football is play and develop Welsh players for the first team, and yet we look for any excuse not to. It almost seems like a conspiracy it's so ridiculous. Colwill and Davies are far from the finished article, but they're no worse than the likes of Ojo, Sawyers and Philogene. Our midfield has been shocking all season and yet King hasn't even been given a place on the bench since coming back from his loan. Jack Simpson, one of the worst defenders I've ever seen, was for some insane reason considered a better option than James Connelly who was sold for a pittance despite impressing at Rovers, and Simpson is now blocking the pathway for Denham who hasn't been seen all season. Bowen and Evans were bombed out of the club when they never looked out of place in their handful of appearances last season. We've been desperate for goals all seasons and it was clear very early on that the strikers weren't good enough, yet Crole who has been prolific for the U21s wasn't even given a chance in a cup game, and has now been sent out to non-league loan purgatory.
And that's just this current batch. Who knows how many talented players over the past 15 years weren't given a chance and had to drop down to non-league or out of the game completely because we never gave them a platform to showcase their talent. It's no wonder Biancheri, Benjamin and Crew left, because there's no way this club was ever going to give them a serious chance.
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Post by fiveattheback on Feb 15, 2023 15:26:28 GMT
I agree we wouldn't have done worse if Davies & Colwill were playing, but their fitness issues haven't exactly helped matters (and Colwill's hardly taken his chance when presented with it). I agree with you and plenty of others that we've completely mismanaged this group of players and have said so already.
The league Cardiff (and our other pro clubs) are in clearly matters, Wales weren't exactly great when we were all in the dungeon leagues. Cardiff's time in the top flight (both stints) enabled investment into our academy, we applied more than once for category 1 status so it wasn't for a want of trying. The likes of Biancheri are the perfect example of the impact of Premier League football, that age group (2006 born) would have started coming into the academy after the first PL promotion and benefitted from the increased investment allowed by PL football and parachute payments, it's no coincidence that the first group to come through post-Cardiff being completely broke are actually half decent. PL football also massively increases the clubs profile, we were getting 30,000 crowds, kids going to Cardiff games and getting the tops etc, all of this has a positive impact on Welsh football in creating fans in the same way the national team's success does. Fans spend money, money gets invested, kids benefit from investment, better players produced etc. There is no way in which Cardiff City in League 1 or 2 is more beneficial to Welsh football than Cardiff City in the Premier League.
You say the best thing we can do for Welsh football is develop players and you're right, it is, so in what world does the league we play in (and thus the club's income) not matter? What do you think will happen to the academy if we go down to League 1 or 2?
Youth development takes time, it doesn't happen overnight and the benefits of promotion(s) (and Euro 2016 for instance) will only start to be seen in the coming years. That group of Swansea players are a perfect example, do you really think the increased investment allowed by PL football didn't positively impact Rodon and Roberts' development? Dan James would likely have stayed at Hull without Swansea's promotion, who knows what would have happened there? Oli Cooper joined in 2011, are you saying the promotion that year didn't impact his coaching and development?
What has stifled academy players is the same thing that's stifled pretty much everything at the club, the refusal of Tan to appoint people who actually know what they're doing. We lurch from manager to manager with no thought for squad building which obviously impacts on the chances youth players get. Steve Morison's bizarre reign also hasn't helped matters (this is of course the genius that loaned out McGuinness to buy Simpson), I don't understand some of the decisions made on certain players.
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Post by gimli on Feb 15, 2023 16:14:14 GMT
I don't disagree in theory, but my argument is that we don't give our youth players a chance anyway, so from that perspective it doesn't matter. I think maybe we just have different priorities. You may be satisfied that we're doing our job of producing Welsh players if they get poached at 16 and then make it at another club, and that's fair enough, but I have zero interest in cheering on 11 English journeymen every week. I feel no connection to these current players whatsoever. I would rather support a Cardiff in the lower leagues with 6 or 7 Welsh players than a team in the PL with none (or even worse, a team in a Championship relegation scrap with none). I realise this conflicts with the view of the majority of the fanbase, but I've always been Wales first, Cardiff second. Don't mistake this for me saying I want us to get relegated though. I want us to stay up. It's just I want that to be by playing Welsh, ideally homegrown, players. And then if by some miracle we were to get promoted to the PL at any point in the future, I'd want us to stay there, but again playing Welsh players.
As for Biancheri, Benjamin and Crew being poached being proof that we're all of a sudden producing top class talent, I hope you're right, but clubs all over Britain and Ireland are getting their academy players poached since Brexit. The big English clubs have just had to change where they scout now. There's no evidence that this is due to our two short stints in the PL.
I completely agree with your last point, it all comes down to Tan and his cronies in the end. Ultimately I just want a well run club that actually acknowledges and embraces its Welsh identity. I'm not saying we go all Welsh Bilbao because as you say, it wouldn't be sustainable, but I think we should expect, and should demand, better than zero Welsh players in matchday squad. The trouble is the media never question it and the fanbase just accepts it.
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Post by iot on Feb 15, 2023 16:36:58 GMT
As a fan of Welsh football, and by association a fan of all the Welsh sides in the English system, I agree with you in principle. However, I'm struggling to blame Lamouchi for the current selection decisions. The players being selected aren't great, I'd agree that most of them are English journeyman, but they can all do a job. Colwill, at the moment, can't be relied upon to do that. He leaves the team exposed and isn't contributing in an attacking sense to make up for it. That's not all his fault, he's had absolutely horrendous injuries this season so hasn't been able to build his match fitness. I still think he could have a very bright future ahead of him, but he needs to overcome these injuries first and come back into contention when Cardiff are better placed. I don't think it would be good for him or Cardiff to rely on him in the next few games.
The likes of Eli King can't have any complaints about the lack of opportunities after a fairly poor loan spell in League 2 while Cardiff have loads of decent, if basic, experienced Championship midfielders. The way Sam Bowen's career has gone since leaving suggests he wasn't up to much, while Torquay was the best Kieron Evans could do for a loan spell. I wouldn't write off most of these players at this stage, but equally I don't think Cardiff can be blamed for not playing them. Issac Davies could possibly feel a bit more aggrieved, although I would suggest injuries have been the main factor there.
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Post by fiveattheback on Feb 15, 2023 17:33:02 GMT
I don't disagree in theory, but my argument is that we don't give our youth players a chance anyway, so from that perspective it doesn't matter. I think maybe we just have different priorities. You may be satisfied that we're doing our job of producing Welsh players if they get poached at 16 and then make it at another club, and that's fair enough, but I have zero interest in cheering on 11 English journeymen every week. I feel no connection to these current players whatsoever. I would rather support a Cardiff in the lower leagues with 6 or 7 Welsh players than a team in the PL with none (or even worse, a team in a Championship relegation scrap with none). I realise this conflicts with the view of the majority of the fanbase, but I've always been Wales first, Cardiff second. Don't mistake this for me saying I want us to get relegated though. I want us to stay up. It's just I want that to be by playing Welsh, ideally homegrown, players. And then if by some miracle we were to get promoted to the PL at any point in the future, I'd want us to stay there, but again playing Welsh players. As for Biancheri, Benjamin and Crew being poached being proof that we're all of a sudden producing top class talent, I hope you're right, but clubs all over Britain and Ireland are getting their academy players poached since Brexit. The big English clubs have just had to change where they scout now. There's no evidence that this is due to our two short stints in the PL. I completely agree with your last point, it all comes down to Tan and his cronies in the end. Ultimately I just want a well run club that actually acknowledges and embraces its Welsh identity. I'm not saying we go all Welsh Bilbao because as you say, it wouldn't be sustainable, but I think we should expect, and should demand, better than zero Welsh players in matchday squad. The trouble is the media never question it and the fanbase just accepts it. I just don't see how that benefits Wales at all, we need our pro clubs to be at the best level possible and that should be especially true if you put Wales first, because what kind of players would League 2 Cardiff be producing? Generally academy prospects land somewhere further down the league. A PL/Championship Cardiff can see players landing in League 1/2 and working their way back up and maybe even playing for Wales while they do it (Lockyer, John, Burns..). Where do the rejects of League 2 Cardiff end up? A Cardiff in the PL with a well funded academy is far better for Wales than one in League 2 playing 11 cloggers from Ely & Canton who aren't good enough for Wales Arguing the PL had no impact on our academy doesn't make sense to me. For much of the 00s we were in and out of court with winding up orders hanging over the club's head, the academy suffers. Promotion gave us money in the form of TV money and then parachute payments when we went down, that's allowed us to sustain a level of spending around the club and (relative) stability. For all of Tan's faults it hasn't looked like we were going out of business and he has sustained the club trough putting money in (though he wouldn't have had to do that at all if he hired competent people). The way the timings line up and the standard of these players (they were regularly beating big PL clubs academy sides at u14 level) can't be a coincidence. I think we want roughly the same thing, a well run club which produces players for Wales, though I think the idea of Cardiff in the lower leagues being good for Wales if they're playing Welsh players isn't at all true and that the very best thing for Welsh football is as many of our pro clubs playing as high as they can
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Post by manulike on Feb 17, 2023 21:59:13 GMT
Mazal tov ;-)
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Post by jimexotic on Feb 17, 2023 22:35:49 GMT
Huge three points tonight, two wins and two clean sheets in a week. I think 48/49 points keeps you up this season, they're currently on 35 so with 13 games to go 3 wins and 4 or 5 draws should be doable.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Feb 17, 2023 23:14:36 GMT
I was bemoaning the lack of a new manager bounce to my friends - trust CCFC to be the only club that doesn't experience a new manager bounce when we need it most!
However, I must say the way it has played out is a better omen. Often times new manager bounces last 4-5 games and then fizzle out. But I feel Lamouchi just needed those 3-4 games to really make the difference, and it now feels like perhaps we've turned a corner - which would be a far greater thing for the rest of the season than a temporary bounce
Confidence will be back now, and I think a few more wins and we'll be breathing a bit easier
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Post by rushy on Feb 18, 2023 12:48:04 GMT
Very encouraging performances with the new manager, hope they can continue till the end of the season and retain their Championship status, then the Welsh players issue can be addressed in full.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 4, 2023 17:37:23 GMT
Another win today. Not safe my any means, but hitting form under the new manager it seems
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Post by flutterdinho on Mar 4, 2023 18:02:46 GMT
Colwill looked very trim today.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 4, 2023 18:26:41 GMT
Colwill looked very trim today. How did he do?
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Post by manulike on Mar 4, 2023 19:39:52 GMT
Colwill looked very trim today. How did he do? IIRC he only came on for the last three minutes
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Post by jimexotic on Mar 5, 2023 3:14:04 GMT
Warnock is going to bow out of management getting Huddersfield relegated and it will probably be over for them before they play Cardiff.
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Post by dai on Apr 19, 2023 21:12:41 GMT
Lord knows how, but they managed to come back from 1-0 down to beat Watford 1-3 tonight. Was not expecting that.
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