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Post by conwy10 on Jan 20, 2019 21:05:18 GMT
Just for a bit of fun thought I’d see people’s opinions. I had a debate in work which player is most crucial to Wales. The best player is obviously Gareth Bale but with potential replacements like Brooks, Ramsey, Wilson, Lawrence is he the most important?
I went with Ben Davies. Really good player for us and the next best left backs, Dummett and Taylor, don’t come close to matching him in my opinion. Add into that he can step into the centre and do a solid job there.
Could possibly put Allen in there as we’re short in defensive midfielders.
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Post by myrddin on Jan 20, 2019 22:31:54 GMT
Bale 100%! Look at our record with and without him. He's our match winner and our one world class player.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Jan 20, 2019 22:39:54 GMT
Easily Bale. Our defence made us a solid force when qualifying for Euro 2016 but having a match winner like Gareth Bale won us those crucial games against Cyprus and Belgium.
There's a reason why goalscorers are the highest paid players in the game.
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Post by CrackityJones on Jan 20, 2019 23:59:27 GMT
Viva...
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Post by joseywales37 on Jan 21, 2019 1:29:09 GMT
Joe Allen on a lot of occasions, turns out to be the engine for us. Bale is the player that I suppose scares the opposition the most at the moment, and is of course a big reason why some the dual qualified players cant wait to pull on that red jersey.
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Post by conwy10 on Jan 21, 2019 7:37:35 GMT
With the emergence of Brooks and Wilson does that make Bale less central to our success because there is alternatives?
If Bale gets injured we could play Wilson, Ramsey, Brooks and Lawrence. If Allen gets injured it’s 2 of Ampadu, Smith, King or Ramsey dropping deep. If Davies gets injured it’s Taylor, Dummett or Gunter.
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Post by welshiron on Jan 21, 2019 8:18:01 GMT
Bale Then Ramsey
The rest can be replaced
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Post by cadno on Jan 21, 2019 8:47:21 GMT
James Chester was an incredible addition to the squad, brings so much composure.
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Post by richierich333 on Jan 21, 2019 10:49:09 GMT
Allen is the binding glue for the team and without him we look and act like three separate groups of players. We need all 3 of the 'big 3' playing to operate effectively, therefore he is no less important than Bale or Ramsey.
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Post by jonathandearth on Jan 21, 2019 10:51:12 GMT
1. Bale 2. Ramsey 3. Davies 4. Brooks
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Jan 21, 2019 11:07:46 GMT
with out a shadow of doubt its Bale. he brings that aura that young players and others will look up to and give them a sense of we can beat any one as we have Bale.
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Post by fiveattheback on Jan 21, 2019 12:28:28 GMT
Bale, then Ramsey, then Allen/Davies
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Post by manulike on Jan 21, 2019 12:29:40 GMT
Ummmmmmmm...
Let me think ....
Well.
ITS RAMBO, OF COURSE ;-)
... followed closely by Gareth
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Post by conwy10 on Jan 21, 2019 12:39:50 GMT
Bale Then Ramsey The rest can be replaced Personally I’d think a Wales team of Hennessey, Roberts, Chester, Williams, Davies, Allen, Ampadu, Bale, Brooks, Wilson, Lawrence Is better than Hennessey, Roberts, Chester, Williams, Davies, Ampadu, Smith, Brooks, Ramsey, Wilson, Bale My top 5 would be... Davies, Allen, Bale, Ramsey, Brooks. I see the attacking positions as covered except for a crisis. Only way I’d see Bale as vital would be if he plays as a striker but it’ll take a lot away from his game. If we do find a striker who can score he’ll immediately move to number 1.
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Post by pendragon on Jan 21, 2019 12:45:29 GMT
Probably Bale...
Followed closely by Rambo and Allen.
Although Brooks, Ampadu and Wilson are all in hot pursuit 😉
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Post by insertname on Jan 21, 2019 13:49:25 GMT
For those who are arguing Ramsey I would simply ask: "When was his last good game for Wales?" and if that leaves you scratching your head then that, for me, says it all about his importance to the team. Bale, even on an off day, always has the threat of a goal in him and is a match winner so in any sane discussion will always be the most important player. Ramsey on an off day (and he has many in a Wales shirt) usually does not offer a great deal. Allen's consistency deservedly puts him second behind Bale, imo.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jan 21, 2019 14:25:36 GMT
1. Bale 2. Allen 3. Ramsey 4. Davies
Allen is more important to the team playing well as he makes everything come together.
Rambo is more of a luxury in that sense, however, if Bale is not playing I'd say Rambo's importance increases.
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Post by fiveattheback on Jan 21, 2019 15:11:38 GMT
For those who are arguing Ramsey I would simply ask: "When was his last good game for Wales?" and if that leaves you scratching your head then that, for me, says it all about his importance to the team. Bale, even on an off day, always has the threat of a goal in him and is a match winner so in any sane discussion will always be the most important player. Ramsey on an off day (and he has many in a Wales shirt) usually does not offer a great deal. Allen's consistency deservedly puts him second behind Bale, imo. Ireland home, he (much like the rest of the team) has been pretty poorly utilised since then
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Post by bleddccfc on Jan 21, 2019 15:17:51 GMT
1. Bale 2. Ramsey 3. Wilson 4. Davies
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Post by barry on Jan 21, 2019 15:22:12 GMT
Bale by a mile.
Not just for his ability but his inspiration.
Allen or Davies second.
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Post by jbt95 on Jan 21, 2019 16:51:32 GMT
The best game we had in the WCQs was v Serbia away.. with no GB.
I'd go with Allen. How the hell he is playing in the Championship and Jordan Henderson is top of the PL, it's criminal.
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Post by manulike on Jan 21, 2019 18:26:33 GMT
The best game we had in the WCQs was v Serbia away.. with no GB. I'd go with Allen. How the hell he is playing in the Championship and Jordan Henderson is top of the PL, it's criminal. Agree with the Serbia away observation. Aaron was a giant in that game. Just saying ;-)
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Post by jbt95 on Jan 21, 2019 18:46:21 GMT
The best game we had in the WCQs was v Serbia away.. with no GB. I'd go with Allen. How the hell he is playing in the Championship and Jordan Henderson is top of the PL, it's criminal. Agree with the Serbia away observation. Aaron was a giant in that game. Just saying ;-)
I think Allen gives Ramsey the freedom.
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Post by welshiron on Jan 21, 2019 19:32:36 GMT
Agree with the Serbia away observation. Aaron was a giant in that game. Just saying ;-)
I think Allen gives Ramsey the freedom. I'm sorry but there is a reason why Ramsey has gone to Juve and Allen to Stoke. Allen missed half of the euro qualifiers. Ramsey missed the semi (due to a poor pass from Allen. Joe is very important for us but not in the same league, literally.
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Post by 1gwaunview on Jan 21, 2019 20:11:33 GMT
In the near future I think it's the goalkeeper's position that could prove a major problem. If Hennessy doesn't get back in the Palace side what happens? We'll have the choice of two bench-warmers or lower league players. Not a good start for the Euro qualifying campaign, and will become the most important position to fill.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jan 21, 2019 20:13:02 GMT
I think Allen gives Ramsey the freedom. I'm sorry but there is a reason why Ramsey has gone to Juve and Allen to Stoke. Allen missed half of the euro qualifiers. Ramsey missed the semi (due to a poor pass from Allen. Joe is very important for us but not in the same league, literally. I think you are confusing most important with the quality of the player. Ramsey is by far the better player, no questions asked. Allen is probably more important to us because as a team we play worse without someone with his qualities in the middle of the park.
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Post by manulike on Jan 21, 2019 21:02:15 GMT
I'm sorry but there is a reason why Ramsey has gone to Juve and Allen to Stoke. Allen missed half of the euro qualifiers. Ramsey missed the semi (due to a poor pass from Allen. Joe is very important for us but not in the same league, literally. I think you are confusing most important with the quality of the player. Ramsey is by far the better player, no questions asked. Allen is probably more important to us because as a team we play worse without someone with his qualities in the middle of the park. That's a very interesting observation. In fact, quite convincing. I did think about it for about two seconds. Neh.
Most important and best quality ;-)
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Post by jbt95 on Jan 21, 2019 22:07:24 GMT
I think Allen gives Ramsey the freedom. I'm sorry but there is a reason why Ramsey has gone to Juve and Allen to Stoke. Allen missed half of the euro qualifiers. Ramsey missed the semi (due to a poor pass from Allen. Joe is very important for us but not in the same league, literally. Ramsey missed the semi cause he kicked a ball away.
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Post by alarch on Jan 21, 2019 22:31:23 GMT
Bale was comfortably our most important player in the Euros, and probably would have been in the World Cup qualifiers had he remained fit. As it was Allen was our most influential player, and is likely to remain so until Ampadu establishes himself, or Bale returns to full, consistent fitness. You need to earn the right to play and Allen is key to that as things stand.
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Post by welshiron on Jan 22, 2019 11:50:54 GMT
Just can't understand why no top flight clubs wanted him in any country 😎
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