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Post by jimexotic on Nov 19, 2021 23:54:18 GMT
If he had declared interest in wanting to play for us a little earlier I probably wouldn't look at this with any cynicism but I think he's looking at us as his only realistic chance to play at a World Cup as we're in with a shout, would he feel so Welsh if we didn't make the play offs? It's a little bit like the joke that is Che Adams - Scotland striker. Turned Scotland down, then once they qualified for the Euros he was up for the gig, I thought that was ridiculous, he didn't get them to the Euros and seemingly had no interest in doing so but once they were there he fancied the idea of it. I don't think we need Paterson and my preference right now is that we give the gig to younger players who have been well up for playing for us from the start.
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Post by morg on Nov 20, 2021 6:27:27 GMT
If he had declared interest in wanting to play for us a little earlier I probably wouldn't look at this with any cynicism but I think he's looking at us as his only realistic chance to play at a World Cup as we're in with a shout, would he feel so Welsh if we didn't make the play offs? It's a little bit like the joke that is Che Adams - Scotland striker. Turned Scotland down, then once they qualified for the Euros he was up for the gig, I thought that was ridiculous, he didn't get them to the Euros and seemingly had no interest in doing so but once they were there he fancied the idea of it. I don't think we need Paterson and my preference right now is that we give the gig to younger players who have been well up for playing for us from the start. This. Russell Martin piece mentions Scotland also, so possible that he's looking for a vehicle. (any vehicle). Can't say am too disappointed about the ineligibility confirmation. Now if he'd been a 6' 4" 20 goals a season championship striker.....
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Post by walesgolfmadrid on Nov 20, 2021 8:02:52 GMT
Even as a Jack, I think Harry Wilson is a better player and if there's a chance for someone to come off the bench or to start in a friendly then I'd prefer us to give game time to Brennan Johnson who will be a better player in a season or so.
Paterson has ability but I can only agree with sentiments said above, if he is eligible he's shown no desire to play for us even though he'd have been in contention to make his debut in 2012. Also agree that could have been overlooked if he was a holding midfielder with some bite or a target man, but we're very well versed in his particular position.
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Post by hooky on Nov 20, 2021 9:34:21 GMT
Good for him. Lets stop being so precious!
Bit embarrassing but hey ho. Hope he gets a place in the sun with a Scotland cap even if its in a friendly. Life's short and even though it seems cynical what Che Adams did, what is the harm - they are lucky to have him! We'd welcome him in a flash!
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Post by fiveattheback on Nov 20, 2021 10:37:45 GMT
I must say this has been an incredible exercise in PR for Paterson, a bang average Championship player going through a purple patch toward the end of his career has somehow worked his way into being talked of as a potential international through one (presumably joking) tweet!
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Post by chief on Nov 21, 2021 0:55:40 GMT
Eligible players who turned down a call up
David Jones Karl Darlow Michael Turner Ryan Shawcross
Any others?
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Post by bale-droed on Nov 21, 2021 10:48:28 GMT
I’m currently writing an article on a lot of players who were eligible but never played that a lot of people don’t know about but common knowledge ones that everyone knows about include
Jon bond Rhys Williams Owen Hargreaves Ben turner Jay da Silva
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Post by jimbo82 on Nov 21, 2021 14:59:44 GMT
I'm fairly sure I remember Bobby Gould approaching a 17 year old Michael Owen, who told him he was holding out for an England call up. I remember thinking what an arrogant sod, thinking he's good enough for England. Obviously proved me wrong quite soon after that when he played at France 98 for them!
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Post by morg on Nov 21, 2021 15:41:16 GMT
I'm fairly sure I remember Bobby Gould approaching a 17 year old Michael Owen, who told him he was holding out for an England call up. I remember thinking what an arrogant sod, thinking he's good enough for England. Obviously proved me wrong quite soon after that when he played at France 98 for them! To be fair... If Bobby Gould had come calling...who'd be keen? I thought he wasn't eligible for Wales under the rules then current? Was eligible for Scotland I seem to recall.
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Post by jimbo82 on Nov 21, 2021 16:17:07 GMT
I'm fairly sure I remember Bobby Gould approaching a 17 year old Michael Owen, who told him he was holding out for an England call up. I remember thinking what an arrogant sod, thinking he's good enough for England. Obviously proved me wrong quite soon after that when he played at France 98 for them! To be fair... If Bobby Gould had come calling...who'd be keen? I thought he wasn't eligible for Wales under the rules then current? Was eligible for Scotland I seem to recall. I'm not sure if he actually was eligible, but I know Gould got in touch with him. He was also trying to persuade Matt Le Tissier to play for us around the same time..
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Post by maelor on Nov 22, 2021 7:54:40 GMT
I'm fairly sure I remember Bobby Gould approaching a 17 year old Michael Owen, who told him he was holding out for an England call up. I remember thinking what an arrogant sod, thinking he's good enough for England. Obviously proved me wrong quite soon after that when he played at France 98 for them! Michael Owen was never eligible for Wales in the same way Giggs wasn't eligible for England. Owen born in England (Chester) to English parents. Played for Wales Schools team because he was a pupil in Wales. Giggs exactly the same but, obviously, the other way around.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 22, 2021 10:14:37 GMT
I'm fairly sure I remember Bobby Gould approaching a 17 year old Michael Owen, who told him he was holding out for an England call up. I remember thinking what an arrogant sod, thinking he's good enough for England. Obviously proved me wrong quite soon after that when he played at France 98 for them! Michael Owen was never eligible for Wales in the same way Giggs wasn't eligible for England. Owen born in England (Chester) to English parents. Played for Wales Schools team because he was a pupil in Wales. Giggs exactly the same but, obviously, the other way around. A strange one because Owen has lived his whole life in Wales and considers Wales his home. Under current rules he would have been eligible. Imagine we had a front line of Bellamy-Owen-Giggs - yikes!
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Post by welshrover on Nov 22, 2021 14:01:08 GMT
Michael Owen was never eligible for Wales in the same way Giggs wasn't eligible for England. Owen born in England (Chester) to English parents. Played for Wales Schools team because he was a pupil in Wales. Giggs exactly the same but, obviously, the other way around. A strange one because Owen has lived his whole life in Wales and considers Wales his home. Under current rules he would have been eligible. Imagine we had a front line of Bellamy-Owen-Giggs - yikes! Yes, I think he is now Lord of Sychdyn Hall. To be fair Hawarden where he grew up appears to be considered as England by a lot of people nowadays, it recently featured in Cheshire Life even though it is in Flintshire!! Every time I drive into Garden City (near Queensferry) I salute the the one house who proudly flies his Welsh Flag even though he is probably surrounded by English overspill!
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 22, 2021 14:08:26 GMT
Michael Owen was never eligible for Wales in the same way Giggs wasn't eligible for England. Owen born in England (Chester) to English parents. Played for Wales Schools team because he was a pupil in Wales. Giggs exactly the same but, obviously, the other way around. A strange one because Owen has lived his whole life in Wales and considers Wales his home. Under current rules he would have been eligible. Imagine we had a front line of Bellamy-Owen-Giggs - yikes! Pretty sure it was criminal not to play 442 back then. I was young though. Probably would have just pushed Bellamy or Hartson to the bench.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 23, 2021 18:06:05 GMT
A strange one because Owen has lived his whole life in Wales and considers Wales his home. Under current rules he would have been eligible. Imagine we had a front line of Bellamy-Owen-Giggs - yikes! Yes, I think he is now Lord of Sychdyn Hall. To be fair Hawarden where he grew up appears to be considered as England by a lot of people nowadays, it recently featured in Cheshire Life even though it is in Flintshire!! Every time I drive into Garden City (near Queensferry) I salute the the one house who proudly flies his Welsh Flag even though he is probably surrounded by English overspill! If they want to take Hawarden back then they have to give us Croesoswallt
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 23, 2021 18:06:50 GMT
A strange one because Owen has lived his whole life in Wales and considers Wales his home. Under current rules he would have been eligible. Imagine we had a front line of Bellamy-Owen-Giggs - yikes! Pretty sure it was criminal not to play 442 back then. I was young though. Probably would have just pushed Bellamy or Hartson to the bench. You are right, although plenty of continental teams deviated from the 4-4-2
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Post by jimexotic on Nov 23, 2021 18:40:11 GMT
A strange one because Owen has lived his whole life in Wales and considers Wales his home. Under current rules he would have been eligible. Imagine we had a front line of Bellamy-Owen-Giggs - yikes! Pretty sure it was criminal not to play 442 back then. I was young though. Probably would have just pushed Bellamy or Hartson to the bench. A rigid 4-4-2 was pretty much the staple formation for all teams although, briefly, 3-5-2 with wing backs was entertained by a few, 97/98 West Ham were 3-5-2. This said, back in the late 90's if you had a three quality strikers often one of them would end up on the left hand side of midfield, Ferguson did this on a number of occasions with Solksjaer and our very own Bellamy found himself pushed out wide at Newcastle and prior to that at Coventry and Norwich. A front two of Hartson and Owen with Bellamy and Giggs interchanging out wide would have been decent to watch but we'd have probably done no better, that generation were cursed!
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Post by saturn9 on Nov 23, 2021 20:53:37 GMT
Is Griffiths the young GK at Lincoln eligible for Cymru. His wiki page says born in Hereford, but pretty certain there may be Cymraeg in his heritage.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 23, 2021 22:11:21 GMT
Is Griffiths the young GK at Lincoln eligible for Cymru. His wiki page says born in Hereford, but pretty certain there may be Cymraeg in his heritage. Confirmed ineligible by dragonsoccer
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Post by gimli on Nov 28, 2021 15:47:27 GMT
Haven't seen him mentioned anywhere, but one to look out for could be Marcus Dackers at Salford. An 18 year old tall centre forward who's been making their bench the last few games (and came on for a 2 min cameo to make his debut a couple of weeks ago).
Started out at Man City's academy before moving to Brighton, but was released at the end of last season. Signed for Salford over the summer and went on a brief loan at Stalybridge Celtic (7th tier) last month where he scored 8 goals in 10 games, and was then quickly recalled because of how prolific he'd been.
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Post by smudger1 on Dec 7, 2021 12:39:32 GMT
To think that Cardiff City didn't want Jarrod Bowen as a 17 year old after a trail. This lad is on fire and surely he must have Welsh heritage being born so close to the border? He wont get a look in for the English national team and such a waste if he doesn't get the chance to play international football.
Anyone know much about Rhys Hughes and Liam Higgins of Everton and Iwan Roberts of Liverpool? I also hope Charlie Savage comes good at Man Utd.
I hope we can make this World Cup as its worth over £12m to the F.A. and would help build the next generation of Wales players.The journey over the last 10 years has been fantastic and we now have an international structure that is up there with the best.
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Post by saturn9 on Dec 7, 2021 12:50:43 GMT
Done to death on this forum many moons ago.
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Post by jimexotic on Dec 7, 2021 16:53:48 GMT
Staying on the subject of Bowen, briefly, I don't understand why it seems to be accepted that he will never get a look in for England, in the last 18 months name 6 more consistently top drawer attackers/attacking midfielders that are English. Bowen is the modern day attacking midfielder, with the ball he's direct, dangerous and makes things happen, without it he presses like nobody else I've ever seen in the Premier League (see the penalty he won on Saturday). The likes of Saka, Rashford, Greenwood and a few of the others that Southgate favours aren't as effective as Bowen, only Mount, Grealish, Sterling and Foden should be ahead of him, it's bonkers.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Dec 7, 2021 21:29:41 GMT
To think that Cardiff City didn't want Jarrod Bowen as a 17 year old after a trail. This lad is on fire and surely he must have Welsh heritage being born so close to the border? He wont get a look in for the English national team and such a waste if he doesn't get the chance to play international football. Anyone know much about Rhys Hughes and Liam Higgins of Everton and Iwan Roberts of Liverpool? I also hope Charlie Savage comes good at Man Utd. I hope we can make this World Cup as its worth over £12m to the F.A. and would help build the next generation of Wales players.The journey over the last 10 years has been fantastic and we now have an international structure that is up there with the best. See the "Players Confirmed Ineligible" thread a couple of pages back re: Bowen
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Post by marsvolta on Dec 22, 2021 14:37:50 GMT
Another potential youngster for us-
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Post by insertname on Dec 22, 2021 14:41:22 GMT
Another potential youngster for us- So that’s two players? 🤔 Joe Taylor and one tbc? Edit: Peterborough don’t have a Joe Taylor amongst their full squad, they have a Jack Taylor, 23 who is listed as Irish on soccerbase. He’s played a good few games this season so hopefully that’s who ds is referring to…
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Post by marsvolta on Dec 22, 2021 15:01:21 GMT
Another potential youngster for us- So that’s two players? 🤔 Joe Taylor and one tbc? Edit: Peterborough don’t have a Joe Taylor amongst their full squad, they have a Jack Taylor, 23 who is listed as Irish on soccerbase. He’s played a good few games this season so hopefully that’s who ds is referring to… This one I presume- www.theposh.com/news/2021/november/posh-complete-deal-for-teenage-front-man
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Post by fiveattheback on Dec 22, 2021 15:06:39 GMT
Peterborough have a tremendous hit rate with signing young strikers, let's hope this is another! Craig Mackail-Smith, Dwight Gayle, Jack Marriott, Ivan Toney, Conor Washington, Britt Assombalonga all signed by them over the last 10 years and went on to be at least decent Championship strikers
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Post by ystradwales on Dec 22, 2021 16:03:08 GMT
Peterborough's U23 manager just happens to be a certain Simon Davies so assume that's why he's come to the attention of the FAW
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Post by insertname on Dec 22, 2021 20:10:55 GMT
Oooh, this could be potentially big- Peterborough are in a league of their own when it comes to identifying the best non-league gems (particularly strikers) and selling them for big money. If they’ve bought a young Welsh forward from a conference club then that’s good enough for me to start thinking this lad has got potential. Will be interested in what happens to him.
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