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Post by iot on Jun 14, 2022 12:28:28 GMT
Good read this: www.fourfourtwo.com/us/features/ranked-the-10-best-welsh-players-everCan't say I know enough about some of these players, but would certainly have Rambo in the top 10 personally. Sentiment aside, he should definitely be ahead of Speed. Yorath was before my time, but I've never heard him rated as highly as this. 8th on the list for me. Joe Allen may have a case ahead of Speed and Yorath too. |
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Post by saturn9 on Jun 14, 2022 12:58:20 GMT
It's all about personal opinions obviously. But Bellers over Giggs for me, list seems decent otherwise.
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Post by bale-droed on Jun 14, 2022 13:02:24 GMT
Really enjoyed reading that. Nice to see the world talking about us isn't it? I wonder if we re did this list in 8 years if Ben Davies would make it? The clearance behind Ward v Slovakia, goalmouth clearance v Belgium Euro 2016, Committed, keeps other players grounded, leads by examples and is a future permanent captain, the performance v Ukraine. Hes been amazing for some years now but he's getting better and better and better. He also came within one game of winning the champions league and in 2016 Tottenham could've won the prem. Overshadowed by other players and club and country but when he's gone Tottenham and us will miss him.
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Post by welshrover on Jun 14, 2022 13:23:42 GMT
No Jason Koumas???
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 14, 2022 17:37:42 GMT
Really enjoyed reading that. Nice to see the world talking about us isn't it? I wonder if we re did this list in 8 years if Ben Davies would make it? The clearance behind Ward v Slovakia, goalmouth clearance v Belgium Euro 2016, Committed, keeps other players grounded, leads by examples and is a future permanent captain, the performance v Ukraine. Hes been amazing for some years now but he's getting better and better and better. He also came within one game of winning the champions league and in 2016 Tottenham could've won the prem. Overshadowed by other players and club and country but when he's gone Tottenham and us will miss him. 100% agree, and I actually think his best years are still ahead of him. Conte loves him & he's really found his role as a LCB - which most teams require nowadays. He'll join the 100 cap club for sure & could still play at another 2 tournaments for us. If he were to play at 4 or 5 tournaments for us that might be a difficult record to beat If you don't count John Charles then there's a case to say he's our greatest ever CB |
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Post by welwyn on Jun 15, 2022 14:26:11 GMT
Don't think we need to stress too much about Joško Gvardiol signing either. With Spurs in Europe, pretty sure Ben will play plenty either way.
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Post by jimexotic on Jun 15, 2022 21:48:40 GMT
I know it doesn't really need saying but despite what was written for his bit Ryan Giggs shouldn't be in there. His attitude to Wales stunk and I hope when he sees what Gareth Bale has achieved for country he sits back and regrets what he did, but I doubt he will and that's another crying shame. I will give him credit for some of the work he did as manager but that is all, he let us down as a player and players that let us down don't deserve to be in there.
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Post by welwyn on Jun 17, 2022 7:42:23 GMT
I know it doesn't really need saying but despite what was written for his bit Ryan Giggs shouldn't be in there. His attitude to Wales stunk and I hope when he sees what Gareth Bale has achieved for country he sits back and regrets what he did, but I doubt he will and that's another crying shame. I will give him credit for some of the work he did as manager but that is all, he let us down as a player and players that let us down don't deserve to be in there. I'm sorry but the list is the 10 best WELSH players of all time. Not the 10 best WALES players of all time. Huw has made that abundantly clear both in the article and on twitter. Frankly, I think he has been weighted down in 4th purely because of national team issues. |
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Post by jimexotic on Jun 17, 2022 21:23:38 GMT
I know it doesn't really need saying but despite what was written for his bit Ryan Giggs shouldn't be in there. His attitude to Wales stunk and I hope when he sees what Gareth Bale has achieved for country he sits back and regrets what he did, but I doubt he will and that's another crying shame. I will give him credit for some of the work he did as manager but that is all, he let us down as a player and players that let us down don't deserve to be in there. I'm sorry but the list is the 10 best WELSH players of all time. Not the 10 best WALES players of all time. Huw has made that abundantly clear both in the article and on twitter. Frankly, I think he has been weighted down in 4th purely because of national team issues. I get what you're saying and did note that in my post but I just don't like seeing him in there. He achieved great things as a player for Man Utd and was fortunate enough to have such a great manager to play for that he prolonged his career by having something of a passengers role late in his career (it really wasn't as breathtaking as people made out, John O'shea could play that role too), probably down to playing less for Wales than he should have done. I think the national team issues should have weighed him further down the list than fourth, it was quite simply not on what he did, you shouldn't be allowed to pick and choose like he did. In hindsight, considering that we achieved nothing in his time with the national side I wish a manager would have been firm with him and told him you either turn up or you're not picked again in the future. |
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Post by marsvolta on Jun 17, 2022 22:52:37 GMT
These lists are always debatable, especially when most people under 70 have never seen some of these players play and just go on hearsay and rare video clips, but it always makes a good read.
Certainly no arguments from me about the ones I did see play, Bale, Rush, Giggs, Speed, Southall, Hughes and (the end of the career of) Yorath.
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Post by mrpicton79 on Jun 18, 2022 1:38:02 GMT
Yeah the list is based more on club careers sadly. Ironically he's still put Bale at No.1 despite him not maximising what he could have achieved at club level.
A list of the best Wales players of all time would surely look pretty different. I always thought Ashley Williams was a colossus for us, definitely worthy of a mention. Agree with the post above re: Ben Davies, he is becoming a Welsh ATG. Also, no love for Dean Saunders? He was really superb for us for years. Good pace and workrate allied to great finishing ability.
I realise I'm pushing it here but I'd have Hennessey over Southall too. How many times has he saved our bacon in massive games? Yes Nev had a much better club career and was arguably more "talented" but (and I hate saying this) he often bottled it in big occasions for Wales.
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Post by iot on Jun 18, 2022 8:18:54 GMT
These lists are always debatable, especially when most people under 70 have never seen some of these players play and just go on hearsay and rare video clips, but it always makes a good read. Certainly no arguments from me about the ones I did see play, Bale, Rush, Giggs, Speed, Southall, Hughes and (the end of the career of) Yorath. As someone who never watched Yorath, and didn't see much of Speed in his prime, would you say they were both better players than Ramsey. For me, people will disagree with this, but at times in his career Ramsey has truly been World class. Can we say the same about Yorath and Speed? |
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Post by marsvolta on Jun 18, 2022 10:41:47 GMT
These lists are always debatable, especially when most people under 70 have never seen some of these players play and just go on hearsay and rare video clips, but it always makes a good read. Certainly no arguments from me about the ones I did see play, Bale, Rush, Giggs, Speed, Southall, Hughes and (the end of the career of) Yorath. As someone who never watched Yorath, and didn't see much of Speed in his prime, would you say they were both better players than Ramsey. For me, people will disagree with this, but at times in his career Ramsey has truly been World class. Can we say the same about Yorath and Speed? Yeah, Ramsey is better than Speed and Yorath in my opinion. Will bow to any option from someone who saw Yorath more than me, I only saw him on TV as a youngster and didn’t see him live. |
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Post by dai on Jun 18, 2022 10:47:28 GMT
I never saw Yorath live so can't comment. However Speed was solid as hell, rarely had a bad game and was versatile. Played a few midfield roles (mainly LM) then LB in his latter years for Wales. I would say he was far more consistent than Ramsey, but Ramsey on his day, could be and has been a match winner. Both world class imo, and a tough call. Maybe Ramsey edges it purely for his ability to influence a game more and score match winning goals.
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Post by jimexotic on Jun 18, 2022 21:30:27 GMT
Imagine Speed in our current set up
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Post by zakbaby on Jun 19, 2022 0:40:13 GMT
Yorath was a great player. Hard as nails, under rated passer of a ball because he was a hard man.The kind of player that every team needs. These lists are always about opinion. Myself, I think Gary Speed wasn't world class and not in the top 10. Versatile yes, ahead of his time in regards to conditioning etc, yes but I feel his tragic passing clouds some people's judgement on his ability. Very good player, but not an all time great in my humble opinion.
Ramsey definatly a better player.
Other options, Kevin Ratcliffe, John Mahoney(very underrated ) Leighton James, Brian Flynn, Mike England.
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Post by walesgolfmadrid on Jun 19, 2022 8:08:03 GMT
Ivor Allchurch has to be considered.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 19, 2022 16:32:36 GMT
Ivor Allchurch has to be considered. Yep sounds like he was the real star of the 1958 qualification and finals performance |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 19, 2022 16:34:17 GMT
Imagine Speed in our current set up Where do you think he'd be used? Wing back or CM? I'm guessing CM next to Allen he'd be best used, as we could then play Ampadu at the back and Ramsey in front |
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Post by jimexotic on Jun 19, 2022 21:28:37 GMT
Imagine Speed in our current set up Where do you think he'd be used? Wing back or CM? I'm guessing CM next to Allen he'd be best used, as we could then play Ampadu at the back and Ramsey in front Yeah I think he'd do a great job next to Allen, he'd also make Ramsey's role a lot easier for him. |
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Post by iot on Jun 19, 2022 22:02:51 GMT
Ramsey-Allen-Speed would have a lovely balance to it
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