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Post by dai on Jun 19, 2022 22:14:52 GMT
I was thinking about this after the top 10 greatest Welsh players thread.
I'm going to be controversial and only select players that I've seen play. I just think it would be daft of me to pick players like Charles, Allchurch, Meredith.
Not going to lie, quite a tough one to do and had to go with the 'old fashioned' 4-4-2 to fit the players I want in:
Hennessey
Neco Williams - Ashley Williams - Ben Davies - Speed
Bellamy - Allen - Ramsey - Giggs
Bale - Hughes
I know Ben Davies at CB isn't ideal. Neco is still relatively a newbie, but I think he could be our next big star, and I've seen enough from him. Like Roberts as well though, and I did think Mark Delaney was good too.
Giggs may be controversial to some, but he still played almost every qualifier he could and was pretty influential in most games.
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Post by jimexotic on Jun 19, 2022 22:56:19 GMT
In my living memory, here goes
Southall
Rodon - A. Williams - B. Davies
Delaney - N. Williams
Allen - Speed
Ramsey
Bellamy - Bale
I know Rodon might raise a few eyebrows but he's been very good for us on a number of occasions. Neco has starred more at left wing back than right wing back and as much as I like Conor Roberts I have to give the nod to Mark Delaney. The rest is easy although I did toy with Kieffer over Bellamy but it had to be the latter.
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Post by bale-droed on Jun 20, 2022 0:03:53 GMT
southall
Ratcliffe Charles Davies
Sherwood. Bale
Allen Ramsey
Cliff Jones Giggs
Rush
Ask me in 4 years and I’m sure Bale goes where Giggs is and Neco comes in.
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Post by walesgolfmadrid on Jun 20, 2022 2:36:14 GMT
N. Southall A. Sherwood - J. Charles - A. Williams - B. Davies T. Yorath A. Ramsey - I. Allchurch G. Bale - I. Rush - C. Jones Subs: W. Hennessey, K. Ratcliffe, M. England, J.Jones, G. Speed, J. Allen, B. Meredith, R. Giggs, M. Hughes, T. Ford |
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Post by marsvolta on Jun 20, 2022 2:40:01 GMT
I was thinking about this after the top 10 greatest Welsh players thread. I'm going to be controversial and only select players that I've seen play. I just think it would be daft of me to pick players like Charles, Allchurch, Meredith. Not going to lie, quite a tough one to do and had to go with the 'old fashioned' 4-4-2 to fit the players I want in: Hennessey Neco Williams - Ashley Williams - Ben Davies - Speed Bellamy - Allen - Ramsey - Giggs Bale - Hughes I know Ben Davies at CB isn't ideal. Neco is still relatively a newbie, but I think he could be our next big star, and I've seen enough from him. Like Roberts as well though, and I did think Mark Delaney was good too. Giggs may be controversial to some, but he still played almost every qualifier he could and was pretty influential in most games. I don’t think it’s controversial to only include players you’ve seen, to me that makes perfect sense. I can’t see how anyone can select a player for their greatest Wales starting 11 based on hearsay, legend and old black and white clips. |
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Post by morg on Jun 20, 2022 8:44:00 GMT
4-3-3
Southall
Delaney
Ratcliffe
Ben Davies
Speed (c)
Ramsey
Allen
Mark Hughes
Bale
Rush
Giggs
Don't know how they'd get on but would have loved them to be on the pitch together. That front three!
Remember seeing Sparky in midfield in a 3-1 win against Belgium in Cardiff. He was superb.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 20, 2022 10:57:56 GMT
Based only on players I've seen play regularly & using our current formation...
Hennessey
Gabbidon-Ash-B.Davies
S.Davies-Allen-Speed-Giggs
Ramsey
Bale-Bellamy
Yes I think Giggs & Davies could play the modern wing-back role
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Post by erasedcitizen on Jun 20, 2022 11:53:09 GMT
433 with your classic 5 subs.
Hennessey
Delaney
Gabbidon
Ash
Davies
Speed
Allen
Ramsey
Bale
Bellamy
Giggs
Bench: Ward, Rodon, Neco, S. Davies, Hartson
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Post by cadno on Jun 20, 2022 15:33:21 GMT
W.Hennessey
C.Roberts
J.Chester
A.Williams
B.Davies
A.Ramsey
J.Allen
J.Koumas
S.Davies
G.Bale
J.Williams
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Post by cadno on Jun 20, 2022 15:35:04 GMT
Based only on players I've seen play regularly & using our current formation... Hennessey Gabbidon-Ash-B.Davies S.Davies-Allen-Speed-Giggs Ramsey Bale-Bellamy Yes I think Giggs & Davies could play the modern wing-back role A question for you, Can Brennan or DJ play there? |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 20, 2022 17:28:01 GMT
Based only on players I've seen play regularly & using our current formation... Hennessey Gabbidon-Ash-B.Davies S.Davies-Allen-Speed-Giggs Ramsey Bale-Bellamy Yes I think Giggs & Davies could play the modern wing-back role A question for you, Can Brennan or DJ play there? DJ 1000% yes, Brennan no |
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Post by pclaude on Jun 20, 2022 20:16:28 GMT
Southall
David Phillps, Ashley Williams, Ratcliffe, Ben Davies
Yorath Allen
Ramsey
Bellamy Rush Bale
Suspect in 12 months Neco is RB, 24 months Ampadu somewhere
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Post by 1gwaunview on Jun 21, 2022 11:20:54 GMT
Only players I've actually seen in action (not on TV) for us over the years:
Neville Southall
Joey Jones, Mike England, Kevin Ratcliffe, Ben Davies
Terry Yorath, Joe Allen
Gareth Bale, Aaron Ramsey, Micky Thomas
Ian Rush
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Post by iot on Jun 21, 2022 12:15:16 GMT
Haven't seen lots of those play, but from what I've read I think Cliff Jones would make a good wing back. Davies is a fairly mediocre left back so wanted him in the middle. Allen, Speed and Ramsey would provide the perfect blend in midfield. Bale and Charles would run riot up front and I imagine their attributes would dovetail perfectly. Never watched Rush play, but understand he was an out and out poacher, so I think we'd be much more dynamic with this type of system and forward line. Yep, definitely thought about this way too long!
Southall
Ash Williams-Ratcliffe-Davies
Delayney-Allen-Speed-Cliff Jones
Ramsey
Bale-Charles
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Post by bracklablue72 on Jun 21, 2022 19:50:10 GMT
Southall
Delaney. A Williams. Ratcliffe. B Davies. N Williams
Allen. Speed
Ramsey
Hughes. Bale
Note: this is my ‘Early 80s onwards’ best 11
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Post by CymruFach on Jun 21, 2022 22:55:05 GMT
Possibly not the best, but some of my favourites
Dai Davies
Connor Roberts, John Charles, Ashley Williams, Ben Davies, Neco
Flynn,D James, Ramsey, Bale.
Sorba
Subs, Hennessey,Rodon, Allen, Yorath, Allchurch, M Hughes, L James, Toshack
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Post by cadno on Jun 22, 2022 11:18:41 GMT
A question for you, Can Brennan or DJ play there? DJ 1000% yes, Brennan no Ooh I wish we did try Dan James out as a wing back... but Neco and Connor have been doing a good job. Is neco someone that can play in midfield in the future? |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Jun 22, 2022 11:27:15 GMT
Ooh I wish we did try Dan James out as a wing back... but Neco and Connor have been doing a good job. Is neco someone that can play in midfield in the future? I could see Neco playing on the wing with RND at LWB. RND has come on leaps and bounds this year and if he continues to improve, will become difficult to leave out. I seem to recall Neco impressing in midfield against France too before his mental red card. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 22, 2022 11:29:26 GMT
Ooh I wish we did try Dan James out as a wing back... but Neco and Connor have been doing a good job. Is neco someone that can play in midfield in the future? I used to push for it more, but I can really see now that James does help us press from the front at the moment. I can see why we'd want to keep that, but there's certainly a place for him in the future as a wing-back, perhaps when he's lost a bit of pace - he could definitely do the transition, and I daresay if he was playing for a Premier League club who used wing-backs that I could see him making that transition at club level too In regards to Neco, I'm not entirely sure. A lot is made of England fans saying "Trent will play in midfield one day", or that they think he should be used in midfield because he's good at passing. To be honest, I find this argument a bit of a nonsense, positions don't really work like that When you play at right back you receive the ball with the game in front of you - you usually have time to pick your head up and play the ball you want. However, when you play in midfield you mostly receive the ball with your back to goal - a completely different dynamic, and skill set. You need to be able to have a picture of the game in your head and a brilliant awareness of what's around you, the ability to make decision based on that, and/or turn and not get tackled, whilst selecting the right passes - then executing. It's very different So to bring it back to the point - I'm not sure Trent has ever shown any reason to suggest he could be a decent CM. I highly doubt Klopp or the England manager will ever use him there. Re: Neco - I think he's shown that he's a fantastic inverted winger/wing-back. He can receive the ball in tight situations and turn, and keep the ball. And I think this makes him more of a threat on the left than the right - so I can see him becoming an inverted winger or wing-back at club level too. He'll certainly stay there for us I think. I can't see him becoming a CM, but his ability to turn in tight spaces makes me think he's actually more likely to be able to do it than someone like Trent |
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Post by cadno on Jun 22, 2022 12:01:17 GMT
Ooh I wish we did try Dan James out as a wing back... but Neco and Connor have been doing a good job. Is neco someone that can play in midfield in the future? I could see Neco playing on the wing with RND at LWB. RND has come on leaps and bounds this year and if he continues to improve, will become difficult to leave out. I seem to recall Neco impressing in midfield against France too before his mental red card. I forgot about Neco playing there against France, good shout! Yeah he was impressive. |
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Post by cadno on Jun 22, 2022 17:04:43 GMT
Ooh I wish we did try Dan James out as a wing back... but Neco and Connor have been doing a good job. Is neco someone that can play in midfield in the future? I used to push for it more, but I can really see now that James does help us press from the front at the moment. I can see why we'd want to keep that, but there's certainly a place for him in the future as a wing-back, perhaps when he's lost a bit of pace - he could definitely do the transition, and I daresay if he was playing for a Premier League club who used wing-backs that I could see him making that transition at club level too In regards to Neco, I'm not entirely sure. A lot is made of England fans saying "Trent will play in midfield one day", or that they think he should be used in midfield because he's good at passing. To be honest, I find this argument a bit of a nonsense, positions don't really work like that When you play at right back you receive the ball with the game in front of you - you usually have time to pick your head up and play the ball you want. However, when you play in midfield you mostly receive the ball with your back to goal - a completely different dynamic, and skill set. You need to be able to have a picture of the game in your head and a brilliant awareness of what's around you, the ability to make decision based on that, and/or turn and not get tackled, whilst selecting the right passes - then executing. It's very different So to bring it back to the point - I'm not sure Trent has ever shown any reason to suggest he could be a decent CM. I highly doubt Klopp or the England manager will ever use him there. Re: Neco - I think he's shown that he's a fantastic inverted winger/wing-back. He can receive the ball in tight situations and turn, and keep the ball. And I think this makes him more of a threat on the left than the right - so I can see him becoming an inverted winger or wing-back at club level too. He'll certainly stay there for us I think. I can't see him becoming a CM, but his ability to turn in tight spaces makes me think he's actually more likely to be able to do it than someone like Trent Good points, I'd like to see Neco play in midfield a few more times, he's certainly skilfull enough but like you say who knows about picking the right pass, recieving the ball in different angles, setting the tempo etc! I reckon he's got the skillset but not sure about the know-how at the top level! |
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