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Post by jon6a on Aug 26, 2010 9:37:21 GMT
He's got to be the main reason Spurs are in the CL. With his efforts in Spurs "impossible run" towards the end of last season and the way he played last night, top class.
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Post by georgetm1 on Aug 26, 2010 10:07:33 GMT
After reading the interview with Harry Redknapp, why would you want Bale to go back into left back position? It does'nt make sense he's a kick arse attacker and set up four goals. Is he going to stick Crouch in goal because he is tall?
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Post by ericyoung on Aug 26, 2010 16:32:51 GMT
Bale was absolutely superb last night. He is so a left-sided midfielder.
Wales start to look very tasty in attack when you look at Bale on the left,
Bellars on the right, and Morison up front.
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Post by flynnfan on Aug 26, 2010 18:22:08 GMT
I watched it on ITV too and found the commentator very strange. Bale stood out for me as the best player on the pitch by miles and yet he was hardly mentined in comparison to someone like Hudlestone. Then after, Gareth Southgate said something about Spurs wide players- Lennon and Bale- not being at their best tonight (?!) Well, if setting up all 4 goals in a massive champions league qualifier isn't being at his best then let's hope he'll be at his best against Montenegro ...maybe he'll set up 6 goals!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2010 18:31:25 GMT
He does look the sort though, doesnt he ;D |
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Post by scoop76 on Aug 26, 2010 20:01:17 GMT
I agree with the above posts. I thought the ITV summarisers were very harsh on Bale, those comments at half and full time about how "he could play better". He was outstanding, as his 4 assists prove. Had Huddlestone or Lennon provided assists for each and every goal, as Bale did, Townsend and Southgate would have been wetting themselves with excitement.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2010 20:12:36 GMT
I agree with the above posts. I thought the ITV summarisers were very harsh on Bale, those comments at half and full time about how "he could play better". He was outstanding, as his 4 assists prove. Had Huddlestone or Lennon provided assists for each and every goal, as Bale did, Townsend and Southgate would have been wetting themselves with excitement. ITV are a joke, as are all 'British' media outlets. All of them will cheer every little thing that the English guy does and play down the rest. Like Arsenal on Sky the other day with Gray and co banging on about Wilshere being Arsenals future in midfield with no mention of Ramsey. So one-eyed its unbelievable. |
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Post by llannerch on Aug 26, 2010 21:47:04 GMT
Ramsey's done sweet f.a. for months  |
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Post by walrus on Aug 27, 2010 7:24:17 GMT
Bale is interesting as his strengths are so good they seem to shine too bright a light for his weaknesses to be seen. Superb athlete super power nice sensible haircut at last and a terrific left foot.
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Post by llannerch on Aug 31, 2010 22:09:01 GMT
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Post by caradocevans on Sept 1, 2010 11:08:03 GMT
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Post by medibot on Sept 1, 2010 15:25:03 GMT
Obviously as most of you guys don't live in London like me you won't come across many Spurs fans but when I bump into their fans on my travels (most recently after they'd knocked out Young Boys Bern) all I need to do is mention that I go to Wales games and love Gareth Bale and they get hilariously excited and enthusiastic about him. I've never seen people so enthusiastic about any Welsh player. Everybody respects Giggs but nobody ever talked him up like Bale. I also know somebody who has a bit of a man crush on the lad and has offered to let him sleep with his girlfriend. To find cynical Spurs fans getting excited about anything is quite an achievement  |
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Post by Tim P on Sept 2, 2010 17:38:07 GMT
interesting mention of giggs.
at the end of this season, i suggest that in terms of goals and assists, bale will have bettered ryan giggs' best ever season for utd.
giggs is a myth.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2010 19:18:01 GMT
interesting mention of giggs. at the end of this season, i suggest that in terms of goals and assists, bale will have bettered ryan giggs' best ever season for utd. giggs is a myth. You're not starting to get into the Bale is world class camp Trendy are you? Also I know he's been more committed to MU than Wales but that does seem a tad harsh. |
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Post by Tim P on Sept 2, 2010 19:46:11 GMT
nah, i don't think he's 'world class' (and by that i mean one of the best one or two in his position in the world over a sustained period of time) yet.
however, i do think that he may well go on to be a far more productive player than giggs has ever been. and by productive i mean contributing goals and assists - hard facts, as opposed to the romance of the odd wonder goal every decade (not to mention the luck of falling under the wing of the best manager of all time).
bale should move at the end of the season to a genuine giant where he can become part of a legacy.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2010 20:14:25 GMT
I am pretty sure Giggs has a stack load of assists accredited to him during his career as well as 150+ goals.
And if you are saying he only won 12 league titles, 4 FA cups, 3 League cups and 2 European cups because of the luck of playing under a certain manager then I would have to say this is ludicrous - also how do you play for MU 850 times by contributing the odd wonder goal once every ten years and play for them over 19 years in their more successful period ever and be lucky?
I know he never took Wales to a finals and never performed for us when it really mattered (Romania/Russia) but he deserves a better footnote than 'myth'.
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Post by Tim P on Sept 2, 2010 20:36:46 GMT
yeah, i agree - he has achieved an awful lot. just like phil thompson did at liverpool.
for me, he's an ultimate squad man rather than the world beater that some mythologise about. fergusson has never build a team around him (like he did with cantona, keane, van nistelrooy, attempted to but abandoned with scholes, ronaldo, and now rooney). indeed, ferguson has tried to replace giggs on several occasions - a popular policy with many utd fans throughout the late 90s and 2000s.
what giggs has given is total comittment to the cause, no dissent, and a decent level of consistent quality. - with the potential, however irregular, of doing something outstanding.
but giggs as a true fantasy player in the mould of genuine modern greats like zidane, figo, ronaldinho? never.
how many goals or assists has giggs made in major finals?
how many years ago did giggs last single-handedly destroy a top team?
how far back would you need to go for giggs to be selected in a 1st choice team for a vital game?
aside from utd, would giggs have made the 1st 11 of any of the other top4 sides last season?
the media are largely to blame, with their ludicrous overestimation of his performances over the last two seasons. like scholes, every time that giggs comes up against a decent team, he will be steamrollered - if he even plays that is.
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Post by caradocevans on Sept 2, 2010 21:01:08 GMT
There's only one negative with Bale at the moment - he's completely lost his mojo when it comes to taking free-kicks. Let's hope he smashes one in tomorrow.
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Post by saints19 on Sept 3, 2010 1:30:01 GMT
how many goals or assists has giggs made in major finals? In fairness you can't really blame him for this one, considering we failed to qualify for a thing while he played for us. |
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Post by scoop76 on Sept 3, 2010 3:34:24 GMT
Gareth Bale currently 25/1 with Betfair to be the first goalscorer in the Montenegro match. Reasonable odds there.
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Post by walrus on Sept 3, 2010 7:50:22 GMT
Between the ages of 18 and 28 Giggs was superb. You don't normally build a team around wide players. You build the spine first. Leaving aside any petty club rivalries, A look at Giggs in that 10 year period will show you a wonderful talent.
For Wales: well it's a different story of course.
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Post by Tim P on Sept 4, 2010 10:04:12 GMT
how many goals or assists has giggs made in major finals? In fairness you can't really blame him for this one, considering we failed to qualify for a thing while he played for us. apologies, i phrased that badly. i meant goals/assists in major domestic/european finals. |
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Post by Tim P on Sept 4, 2010 10:13:51 GMT
Between the ages of 18 and 28 Giggs was superb. You don't normally build a team around wide players. You build the spine first. Leaving aside any petty club rivalries, A look at Giggs in that 10 year period will show you a wonderful talent. For Wales: well it's a different story of course. knowing a few lifelong season ticket holders from my time in manceinion as i do - i can't see them agreeing that giggs was 'superb' during that period. the main complaint seems to be that in the years following his breakthrough, there was next to no end product - and that includes his woeful corners/crossing. it is a fact, and i personally don't agree with the act of booing your own players, but he was pretty unpopular in the stands in the late 90s. even as recently as last season, he was given almighty stick for some pretty useless displays. i agree that you don't normally build teams around wide players. but then again, you normally don't build teams around any player. unless they are special, it is a recipe for disaster. but, ferguson did build a team around ronaldo, a wide player, and it was a fantastic side. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2010 14:12:32 GMT
yeah, i agree - he has achieved an awful lot. just like phil thompson did at liverpool. for me, he's an ultimate squad man rather than the world beater that some mythologise about. fergusson has never build a team around him (like he did with cantona, keane, van nistelrooy, attempted to but abandoned with scholes, ronaldo, and now rooney). indeed, ferguson has tried to replace giggs on several occasions - a popular policy with many utd fans throughout the late 90s and 2000s. what giggs has given is total comittment to the cause, no dissent, and a decent level of consistent quality. - with the potential, however irregular, of doing something outstanding. but giggs as a true fantasy player in the mould of genuine modern greats like zidane, figo, ronaldinho? never. how many goals or assists has giggs made in major finals? how many years ago did giggs last single-handedly destroy a top team? how far back would you need to go for giggs to be selected in a 1st choice team for a vital game? aside from utd, would giggs have made the 1st 11 of any of the other top4 sides last season? the media are largely to blame, with their ludicrous overestimation of his performances over the last two seasons. like scholes, every time that giggs comes up against a decent team, he will be steamrollered - if he even plays that is. Giggs never played in a major finals Remember his dismantling Roma 7-1 with 5 assists a couple of years back Every major game to date included last season Yes - all of them THINK we could have used Giggs last night - big mistake from Toshack. |
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Post by Tim P on Sept 4, 2010 14:46:13 GMT
as i said, i meant goals/assists in the finals of domestic/european club games
giggs got three assists in that game. and, were roma a top team back in 2007?
i'll give you the one about giggs starting against the 'big 4' last season, albeit not every game - but can't help but notice that they lost twice to chelsea and once to liverpool. funnily enough, they did beat liverpool in the return at old trafford - with giggs on the bench.
come now, you are not for one moment suggesting that ryan giggs would get into chelsea's team are you? or arsenal's? would he make the spuds team? not likely.
i think we'll agree to disagree on this one, otherwise we'll be digging up all manner of stats and results from the past twenty years.
i'll always accept that giggs has been a marvellous club man for utd. but in terms of match winning talent, he's not in the top five of utd players from the last ten years - let alone the rest of europe.
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