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Post by toshfan on Nov 10, 2022 23:07:50 GMT
Acknowledgement 1: Twitter does not necessarily mean real life
Acknowledgement 2: It is no way comparing the worst excesses of the 80s and 90s
Today I saw more Interclub Rivalry stupidity on Twitter than I have seen for years. I saw it from Swansea supporters and I saw it from Cardiff supporters. Most of the tweets came from younger supporters which made me feel especially sad and concerned.
My view is that we should never be complacent and we must never do denial. If supporters are comfortable about posting interclub rivalry motivated tweets when discussing our national side on social media then I believe that the risk of it impacting home and away fixtures in the future should be taken seriously.
Anyone else notice it? For what it is worth, I did not see anything negative during the Nations League, indeed the last interclub nonsense I observed was out in Slovakia when some silly comments were made on the bus to the ground.
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Post by 30yearwait on Nov 10, 2022 23:21:31 GMT
I really hope not
It has led to some of my most depressing moments following Wales
Together Stronger was such an inspired motto, we must protect that at all costs.
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Post by jbt95 on Nov 10, 2022 23:42:43 GMT
I think it’s just this post covid society where everybody thinks they can do as they like, Belgium away was an example of that.
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Post by marsvolta on Nov 10, 2022 23:49:56 GMT
The vast majority keep club rivalry to the league games, where it should be.
I can’t see anyone trying to undo the great atmosphere we have for international games getting very far.
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Post by walesgolfmadrid on Nov 11, 2022 3:11:23 GMT
It's on twitter, it's not really a reflection of match going fans.
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Post by CrackityJones on Nov 11, 2022 5:42:56 GMT
In a nutshell no. The people from twitter you are echoing by dedicating a thread to them probably don’t go to Wales games. They’re just squabbling over one of their own being picked or not, that’s twitter. You get one or two trying it in here but they tend to stop when asked to.
There have always been isolated incidents, even during Euro16, but I haven’t seen an increase.
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Post by jackanapes on Nov 11, 2022 7:24:39 GMT
On the one hand it’s just Twitter, which is a forum which basically rewards morons for shitposting. The problem is that the toxicity starts to seep out into normal life. I’m not sure you can do much about it. What I would like to see is a conspicuous effort by both fans groups and the FAW to maintain the Together Stronger spirit. There’s a danger of taking it for granted.
There’s also a danger in turning a blind eye to bad behaviour in general. Toshfan has mentioned all the littering and pissing in the park outside the stadium, we’ve had groups of youngsters jumping queues at turnstiles and pushing people out of the way, and on the walk to almost every game I”ve seen people acting like twats, pissing in people’s gardens and acting aggressively. One or two incidents are inevitable, but I’ve had a feeling over the last couple of years that things are drifting in the wrong direction. It would be a lot easier to nip it in the bud rather than wait till things get really bad.
The club rivalry disgusts me. As a Swans fan I always want to beat Cardiff and a bit of banter around the derbies is fine, but there’s always some dicks who build their entire identity around this rivalry. The most depressing thing about the last derby was the failure to observe a minute’s silence for the victims of Aberfan. Arseholes were shouting during the introduction and we ended up with a minute’s applause which is grotesque. If commemorating the deaths of so many children isn’t enough to get people to behave and shut up for a minute, we have a serious problem.
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Post by CrackityJones on Nov 11, 2022 7:42:10 GMT
I don’t think anyone is taking the culture of our fan base for granted but we are celebrating it right now for obvious reasons. I agree we should deal with any increase in club rivalry but I don’t think it’s returning any more than the last decade.
What you mention is abhorrent, worse than anything I have witnessed at a game. I hope those people were reported. That rivalry will always be at club level sadly but I’m pretty confident those types do not attend Wales games and if they do, they don’t act like that because it isn’t tolerated.
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Post by garynysmon on Nov 11, 2022 8:39:29 GMT
All club rivalries are tedious as hell to anyone that doesn't follow one of the clubs involved.
I've lost count of the number of boring and never ending exchanges online between fans of Celtic/Rangers, Wrexham/Chester and Cardiff/Swansea etc which always go down a rabbit hole because, essentially (like all football fans) they're just different sides of the same coin really.
There were times, watching Wales in the mid naughties, when Cardiff City fans used to be pretty annoying as it felt they were trying to "dominate" (for want of a better word) Wales away trips, but that seems to have calmed down now and you don't see anywhere near as many club shirts at games. They probably still are the single biggest supported club on most trips, but aren't the majority (if that makes sense?).
But the supposed outrage over an uncapped lad not being called up for Wales is a weird one. Surely these Swansea fans can't have genuinely expected Oli Cooper to be called up to the WC when he hasn't even been in a senior squad before?!
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Post by toshfan on Nov 11, 2022 10:12:57 GMT
The people from twitter you are echoing by dedicating a thread to them probably don’t go to Wales games. In the 10 years that I have been on Apostle, I have never seen any interclub rivalry at all. I felt safe in raising this thread in view of that. |
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Nov 11, 2022 11:42:35 GMT
The people from twitter you are echoing by dedicating a thread to them probably don’t go to Wales games. In the 10 years that I have been on Apostle, I have never seen any interclub rivalry at all. I felt safe in raising this thread in view of that. 🙈 |
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Post by bringbackelmo on Nov 11, 2022 11:46:52 GMT
I did see a bit interclub stuff for the first time in a decade or more at the last Nation's League game. I was sitting near some teenage lads, Cardiff fans, in the corner of the Canton and they'd stuck a Cardiff sticker on the barrier. A Swans fan sitting next to them took exception and ripped it off and it prompted a bit of back and forth - that only calmed down when one of the Cardiff lads revealed that he actually plays for one of the Swans youth teams.
I do wonder about the Streisand effect - I know you were drawing attention to it on Twitter yesterday toshfan and obviously felt the need to mention it here. Not necessarily a criticism of you, but drawing attention to it may make it seem bigger than it is? I'd probably take an 'ignore it and it'll go away approach', particularly where it is a) kids and b) Twitter.
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Post by CrackityJones on Nov 11, 2022 12:04:35 GMT
and c) isolated incidents not really worth mentioning
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Post by fiveattheback on Nov 11, 2022 13:04:56 GMT
It's just Twitter point scoring by people with far too much time on their hands, it's an endless back and forth on there between people who wouldn't say a thing to each other in real life. I imagine the majority of Cardiff and Swansea fans (who are aware of it) find it totally embarrassing, I know I do. What I'd be more worried about is what toshfan has pointed out in the past regarding behaviour at games, I remember before one of the Nations League home games (I think it was) seeing fans absolutely hammered in the streets. I've no issue with drinking before games, but there is a limit and at a certain it becomes intimidating for non-fans and even those going to the match. |
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Post by njdragon on Nov 11, 2022 14:18:20 GMT
I remember not too long ago swansea players getting off the coach at the Cardiff city stadium and being booed.
Lots of arguments on twitter now over the inclusion of Colwill over cooper.
Im from swansea and lets be fair Colwill has been around the squad for a long time and cooper hasn't so deserves a place in the squad, plus i thought he was excellent coming on against Poland with him, DJ and neco linking up
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Post by majorraglan on Nov 12, 2022 0:02:00 GMT
I really hope not It has led to some of my most depressing moments following Wales Together Stronger was such an inspired motto, we must protect that at all costs. Totally agree. When we were out in Toulouse, we stayed at a place where there were several nationalities including a fair few Welsh. One of my mates is a Swans fan and was there with his 8 ear old son. There were a few groups of Cardiff fans and most were good as gold, but there was one guy in his 50’s always gobbing off and he was itching for trouble. His mates seemed to be embarrassed by his behaviour. The lowest point for me though was back in 1991 when Wales played Belgium in Brussels. We decided to stay out of the way in Ostend thinking we’d be out of the inter club rivalry - bad call. Ostend was jammed with Welsh fans and there were groups of fans roaming around town hunting down fans from the other Welsh clubs. I didn’t go away for a long time after that. |
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Post by welshrover on Nov 12, 2022 8:05:59 GMT
I witnessed similar scenes in Zurich in the late 90's. It really was depressing and not something we want to see coming back.
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Post by CrackityJones on Nov 12, 2022 8:26:16 GMT
It’s not coming back. Just like it’s not coming home for them lot next door
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Post by njdragon on Nov 12, 2022 11:25:32 GMT
It’s not coming back. Just like it’s not coming home for them lot next door Lots of new kids supporting wales, older heads need to stamp It out. I’ve noticed some of the wales support having more of an edge to them, the last year or so… |
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Post by CrackityJones on Nov 12, 2022 11:40:00 GMT
I’ve been to every away game since the pandemic and haven’t noticed anything. In fact it’s been a great craic every trip. Like I said, there’s isolated incidents when drinking is involved but that’s no reason to blow it out of proportion.
I agree with the sentiment though that we shouldn’t be complacent. Im confident the bulk of our support are against it so when the odd spat crops up, it will quickly die down.
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Post by jimmytaff on Nov 12, 2022 23:59:16 GMT
It’s not coming back. Just like it’s not coming home for them lot next door Lots of new kids supporting wales, older heads need to stamp It out. I’ve noticed some of the wales support having more of an edge to them, the last year or so… Some of the older fans are the problem. The only really poor behaviour I saw in Brussels was from a bloke in his 30s (who was smashed but I think a bit puddled anyway) and a bloke in his 50s pissing while on the tube. Like others have said they'll always be a few isolated issues and hopefully it doesn't go beyond that. |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Nov 13, 2022 12:22:25 GMT
Most of this inter-club stuff on Twitter will stay on Twitter. I've been to most aways in the past few years and haven't seen any inter-club BEEF since Cyprus away in 2015, where some Cardiff fans tried to take down a Swansea flag and got a swift telling off by pretty much everyone else there.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Nov 13, 2022 12:24:35 GMT
There has barely been any poor behaviour too, and police are pretty much always complimentary of the way Wales fans have behaved abroad but there's a number of you on here who think otherwise because you've witnessed one or two isolated incidents, or incidents that wouldn't be uncommon on pretty much every night out anywhere in the world (besides those countries that don't drink!)
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