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Post by conwy10 on Nov 30, 2022 12:11:22 GMT
Not sure if too early, but would be interesting to see how everyone thinks we should approach it.
Hennessey (Ward) not sure if suspended.
Neco Mepham Rodon Davies
Ampadu Allen
Johnson Ramsey James
Moore
Sub keeper
Roberts
Cabango
RND
Morrell
Levitt
Colwill
Wilson
Bale
Harris
Probably prefer Bale off the bench against tiring defenders. I don't think I've been brutal enough in the team selection but there's not many forcing their way in either.
I think we need to make clear we aren't having people along for the ride anymore. Having 23 year olds in the squad hoping they develop will have us back where we were. If you aren't a teenager you've got to be mentally strong enough to make a contribution when called on. Everyone can have a bad day but we got lads on 10/15 caps who've just come on and played a few good passes.
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Post by scarfer on Nov 30, 2022 12:33:37 GMT
I think a few of those guys will retire shortly. I agree about the passengers (Joniesta mainly)...they must not be picked anymore
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Post by talyfan on Nov 30, 2022 12:33:46 GMT
Think you've got a scrutinize every single player on that list. Building a core is important but some of that core have not turned up for us recently.
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 30, 2022 12:39:26 GMT
Think you've got a scrutinize every single player on that list. Building a core is important but some of that core have not turned up for us recently. Completely agree, but who replaces them. There was all the talk that Johnson will replace Bale, Johnson will replace James so both have to pick it up but when he's got the chance Johnson hasn't grabbed it. At CB I'd love to keep Rodon and Mepham on their toes but Cabango doesn't seem to be knocking on any doors. Every player who's underperformed has got someone who equally doesn't perform as competition. It gets to a point where instead of giving people a run out to show they should be in the team we just have to throw stuff at a wall and hope something sticks. |
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Post by talyfan on Nov 30, 2022 12:52:35 GMT
I'd agree it's tough and a tall order to actually find suitable replacements.
Think one of things for me is you've got to give players coming in more than the game or 45 minutes.
I'd like to give Cabango/Lockyer and Rodon a run out personally.
Regarding Dan James I'd call up someone like Ryan Hedges whose starting week in week out at the moment for a top Championship side, who would offer just as much as Dan at the moment. He might be nowhere near the level but it's just to prove no place in the squad is a gimme.
Page talks about how little our lads play every time we lose, he's got to walk the walk instead of being all talk by calling up lads that do actually play in my opinion.
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Post by rushy on Nov 30, 2022 13:10:26 GMT
Think you've got a scrutinize every single player on that list. Building a core is important but some of that core have not turned up for us recently. It's the end of an era imo, the reliance on the achievements of 2016 to keep momentum going for Wales has now run out of steam, that was probably the reason why the likes of Gunter and Joniesta were included in this WC squad to maintain that . However it's time to find a new mentality for the next squad, which will hopefully be with a new manager who can inspire and play a system that gets the best out of players, otherwise I don't see real positives in keeping Page if we mean to move forward. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 30, 2022 14:19:23 GMT
My instinct for this one is 4-4-2...
Ward
Neco-Mepham-Rodon-Davies
Brooks-Ampadu-Morrell-James
Brennan-Moore
With Brooks, James and Brennan we might actually be able to break quickly and counter effectively. Moore being the platform. 2 banks of 4 and the strikers sitting on Brozovic
If we play 3 CMs they will get played around by their midfield, and they will find gaps in wide areas. 4-4-2 prevents them being able to switch and limits the amount of running we have to do
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Post by jimexotic on Nov 30, 2022 14:33:19 GMT
Just over three years ago we drew with an arguably better Croatia with this team
Hennessey
Roberts Lockyer Rodon Davies
Ampadu
Allen Jonny
Bale James
Moore
Morrell, Wilson and Tyler came on.
That team played with heart, determination and a confidence about them that saw us able to keep the ball against one of the best and most technical sides in the World at the time. We still needed a bit of class from Bale and he was fantastic that game but we can field a side that's equally as strong as that man for man right now, we just need the right balance and the right attitude.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 30, 2022 17:16:51 GMT
Problem is, European teams tend to play with a mid-block defensive style, and that usually allows us time to play out from the back. That particularly happened in the last Croatia game
But after Iran & the USA showed how poor we are when pressed high, I fear whether other teams will see it as a blueprint to beat us
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Post by iot on Dec 1, 2022 11:08:13 GMT
We had 36% possession in that game and had been completely outplayed all game with the fans getting on the players' backs until Bale pulled off that piece of brilliance. I'm seeing so much revisionism across these threads on how things actually were under Giggs compared to how they are now. Incidentally, Lockyer also had a bit of a shocker for the goal Croatia scored. Also worth pointing out that Cabango's had a few clangers for the Swans since he last played for us against Poland. On that basis, I think it would be a strange decision to ditch a premier league defender who's in good form for one of those.
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Post by iot on Dec 1, 2022 11:17:17 GMT
Think this will be unpopular because of recent performances, but I would go with:
Ward
Mepham Rodon Davies
Roberts Ampadu Allen Neco
Ramsey
Moore James
A slight tweak on the system used in the first two WC games, with two sitting midfielders rather than having Ampadu on his own. This is what we used against Belgium home and Czech away in the WC qualifiers. There's plenty of energy in that side with Moore, James and Ramsey able to provide a high press + a counterattacking threat, and hopefully the combination of Ampadu and Allen providing more protection. That should address some of the main issues we had in the WC. I still think this is the best way forward against good sides.
I would definitely bring Brennan in for the Latvia home game a few days later, and possibly Brooks if he's fit and performing. Could change to a back 4 for that one.
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Post by talyfan on Dec 1, 2022 11:33:12 GMT
Whose more clinical out of the pair Dan James or Mark Harris? Just thinking we'll probably get next to nothing this game in terms of chances, Dan James needs about 10 shots before getting one on target at the moment.
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Post by bale-droed on Dec 1, 2022 11:42:26 GMT
Mentioned several times by another poster. Kris Hedges could be a better option
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Post by fiveattheback on Dec 1, 2022 13:16:01 GMT
We had 36% possession in that game and had been completely outplayed all game with the fans getting on the players' backs until Bale pulled off that piece of brilliance. I'm seeing so much revisionism across these threads on how things actually were under Giggs compared to how they are now. Incidentally, Lockyer also had a bit of a shocker for the goal Croatia scored. Also worth pointing out that Cabango's had a few clangers for the Swans since he last played for us against Poland. On that basis, I think it would be a strange decision to ditch a premier league defender who's in good form for one of those. The constant disrespect Mepham gets is totally baffling. He was decent at the World Cup and Euros and like you say actually plays in the Premier League. I'd say he's our second best defender behind Davies Rodon gets away with so much more for some reason |
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Post by cadno on Dec 1, 2022 13:34:39 GMT
Hennessey
Connor Lockyer Ampadu Davies
Ramsey Allen Morrell
Johnson Bradshaw MHarris
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Post by rushy on Dec 1, 2022 13:41:01 GMT
I don't know what happened to Rodon in this tournament he just didn't seem right mentally and played average, Mepham is just an ok CB imo, but I'm hoping Joe can regain his form and show the potential he once had.
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Post by jimexotic on Dec 1, 2022 14:31:42 GMT
We had 36% possession in that game and had been completely outplayed all game with the fans getting on the players' backs until Bale pulled off that piece of brilliance. I'm seeing so much revisionism across these threads on how things actually were under Giggs compared to how they are now. Incidentally, Lockyer also had a bit of a shocker for the goal Croatia scored. Also worth pointing out that Cabango's had a few clangers for the Swans since he last played for us against Poland. On that basis, I think it would be a strange decision to ditch a premier league defender who's in good form for one of those. I must admit I watched it drunk in a pub in Riga and the first 20 minutes or so I missed a lot of it but I do remember watching us in the second half and thinking that we looked decent for the team we had out and deserved the draw. I was also overly positive about us back when I saw the line up so as long as we didn't lose I was always going to view it as a good result and performance. On Cabango, I'm with you 100%, he scares me, he's got to cut that stuff out if he's ever going to be reliable for us because at the minute our Achilles heel appears to be the lads at the back messing around with it although I appreciate that's often to do with the way we've been set up. Mepham is decent, he's 25 and developing into a very good top flight defender, he's arguably our best centre back. Rodon simply needs to play week in week out for a length of time so that he can develop, 71 career league starts for a player of his age is quite frankly ridiculous. |
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Post by underwood on Dec 1, 2022 16:20:46 GMT
Any chance of a Modric or Perisic red card this afternoon please?
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Post by conwy10 on Dec 1, 2022 17:11:59 GMT
Hennessey Connor Lockyer Ampadu Davies Ramsey Allen Morrell Johnson Bradshaw MHarris That would be an overhaul, especially no Neco. |
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Post by CrackityJones on Dec 1, 2022 17:13:21 GMT
I think he must have had a go at Rodon's bag of spice
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Post by dai on Dec 1, 2022 17:19:05 GMT
Croatia would still walk all over us going by what I watched this afternoon. Modric incredible at 37yrs of age.
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Post by jimexotic on Dec 1, 2022 17:36:13 GMT
We're going to need Dan James against Croatia, we're going to need Dan James more than ever now.
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Post by garynysmon on Dec 1, 2022 17:39:27 GMT
Not sure why people are talking about Modric, he’s retiring from international football after this.
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Post by dai on Dec 1, 2022 17:47:48 GMT
Nope, he's backtracked and is playing on until the 2024 Euro's! Lucky us.
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Post by cadno on Dec 1, 2022 17:53:33 GMT
Neco / Connor is a closer call. Rodon and Mepham have been pulled apart again and again. Time to give someone else a chance, Lockyer / Ampadu / Cabango / Chester!
We’ve been useless in the opposition box too, let’s give harris / Bradshaw / cooper / hedges and others a chance!
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Post by iot on Dec 1, 2022 18:51:58 GMT
Well, if we want to give up on any realistic prospect of qualifying for what's set to be a great Euros in Germany, then sure, why not!
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Post by fiveattheback on Dec 1, 2022 18:58:53 GMT
Neco is a far better player than Roberts, not a close call at all. Roberts is fortunate we don't have a natural left wing back option. I don't really understand the logic behind dropping a defender who's playing well in the Premier League either
I assume you're kidding with that front 3 you posted?
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Post by cadno on Dec 1, 2022 19:23:10 GMT
Attacking wise yes, defensively that’s up for debate! Both have room to improve.
Not really kidding, Bale Moore James have shown us close to nothing in this tournament. I can think of a handful of times we’ve caused opposition trouble in this tournament, something has got to change.
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Post by cadno on Dec 1, 2022 19:31:48 GMT
Well, if we want to give up on any realistic prospect of qualifying for what's set to be a great Euros in Germany, then sure, why not! Surely you must admit we’ve been the worst team in this tournament. If trying new players out isn’t the answer then what needs to change? Because at the moment the defence we’ve been picking have been ripped apart by decent teams and conceded loads when it matters, and we haven’t been scoring enough goals! |
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Post by fiveattheback on Dec 1, 2022 19:32:38 GMT
Attacking wise yes, defensively that’s up for debate! Both have room to improve. Not really kidding, Bale Moore James have shown us close to nothing in this tournament. I can think of a handful of times we’ve caused opposition trouble in this tournament, something has got to change. Williams is better defensively, which is saying something! His defending has certainly improved whilst Roberts has never convinced defensively for me I don't think the attack can be blamed too much when they've been carrying a player whilst also having no midfield to build off. Playing worse players there will not help at all. As much as I like Mark Harris I don't think you can justify starting him ahead of Moore and James or even someone like Ryan Hedges. Bradshaw's ship sailed long ago |
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