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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 27, 2023 9:23:03 GMT
What a great surprise, never saw that coming. As above, few positives except the result. At least they kept trying to the end as Croatia switched off. Neco, Dan James and to a lesser extent Wilson going backwards in their careers at the moment on that showing in my opinion. Neco is a right back, we're not utilising him playing him out of position like that At the moment Roberts is 1st choice, and that shows why playing at the top end of the Championship is better than being on the bench in the Premier League |
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Post by njdragon on Mar 27, 2023 9:33:23 GMT
What a great surprise, never saw that coming. As above, few positives except the result. At least they kept trying to the end as Croatia switched off. Neco, Dan James and to a lesser extent Wilson going backwards in their careers at the moment on that showing in my opinion. Neco is a right back, we're not utilising him playing him out of position like that At the moment Roberts is 1st choice, and that shows why playing at the top end of the Championship is better than being on the bench in the Premier League Neco has always played left back for us hasn't he, i think he's struggled every since the world cup qualifiers. Before that at left back he was so exciting, i can see a decline in the welsh shirt and this maybe due to confidence and he's in and out of the first side too. DJ for me - i used to love him, even before the world cup he had his haters but world cup he never played well. He couldnt even use his pace and since then he's really gone backwards in a welsh shirt. Pity as i think both as guaranteed starters normally i think they offer so much |
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Post by vaulksthrowfanclub on Mar 27, 2023 9:42:22 GMT
Neco is a right back, we're not utilising him playing him out of position like that At the moment Roberts is 1st choice, and that shows why playing at the top end of the Championship is better than being on the bench in the Premier League Neco has always played left back for us hasn't he, i think he's struggled every since the world cup qualifiers. Before that at left back he was so exciting, i can see a decline in the welsh shirt and this maybe due to confidence and he's in and out of the first side too. DJ for me - i used to love him, even before the world cup he had his haters but world cup he never played well. He couldnt even use his pace and since then he's really gone backwards in a welsh shirt. Pity as i think both as guaranteed starters normally i think they offer so much Neco’s played left-wing back for us. Allows him that attacking freedom and defensive cover, which he doesn’t necessarily get at left-back. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 27, 2023 9:55:17 GMT
Neco is a right back, we're not utilising him playing him out of position like that At the moment Roberts is 1st choice, and that shows why playing at the top end of the Championship is better than being on the bench in the Premier League Neco has always played left back for us hasn't he, i think he's struggled every since the world cup qualifiers. Before that at left back he was so exciting, i can see a decline in the welsh shirt and this maybe due to confidence and he's in and out of the first side too. DJ for me - i used to love him, even before the world cup he had his haters but world cup he never played well. He couldnt even use his pace and since then he's really gone backwards in a welsh shirt. Pity as i think both as guaranteed starters normally i think they offer so much Yeah he has normally played at LWB in an inverted role. It worked well in his first few games there - Belarus and Belgium he was great. But teams adjust and I think his trick of turning inside has been figured out Also as pointed out above, LWB has less defensive responsibilities than a LB. For that reason I'd like to have a more defensive player like Fox playing there against Latvia, to free up the likes of Broadhead in front (if we continue with a back 4) |
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Post by cymro on Mar 27, 2023 9:56:28 GMT
Unbelievable night mate, just unbelievable, will never ever forget it. What an amazing second half from the red wall. Non stop singing for pretty much 45 mins and goes to show what supporting your team to the very last minute can achieve. We deserved that last minute goal to celebrate and boy was that celebrated wildly. Pure joy. I actually thought we were quite quiet and low energy, around the bars pre match and in the first half and then that explosion of noise, a crescendo of Wales Away aha aha I like it to see us out at the end was magnificent. A real Wales away iconic moment that will stay with me. Similar to the half time rave at Belgium! A real moment and to get clapped back into the town was just lovely. This is no exaggeration although it sounds like it as I type it out but they lined the pavements, came out onto their balconies and clapped us all the way back for the mile walk in to Split..."Congratulations", "Well done", "Great Goal" accompanied by hand shakes, fist bumps and genuine warm smiles. Continued at the breakfast buffet in the morning. I think we made good friends out there, well done Y Wal Goch. Magic. Very proud to be a part of that travelling support. A great rendition of Calon Lan, Sing a song for Speedo and Brooks' song as well ,hope that came across well via the TV. Out of interest when did we start the Wales away song out there....I swear it started in the top right corner at about 73 mins and built from there....by about 78/80 mins it was in full swing, 90 mins....tottal chaos....pants man in sunglasses climbing the fence , tops off all round and images of scences that belong in the Louvre. Sounds like an away trip for the ages. When moments generate organically like that, pure magic! Well done all. |
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Post by iot on Mar 27, 2023 10:11:58 GMT
Just reading through this thread and your comments are all over the place, constantly contradicting yourself. Just before this post you complained about us going long too much; here you're complaining about too much sideways and backwards passing. You can't have it both ways. We either play a patient passing game, or a more direct approach. I felt we generally went with the latter last night because of Croatia's superiority in midfield and because of Moore's strength, so it was the right call. I'm not sure what you're expecting? We have to be realistic about the quality of players we have and you'll just have to accept we're not going to be playing like prime Barcelona, cutting teams open at will and playing through the thirds. Our best hope against quality sides is just to be dogged and attempt to nick something, which is what we did yesterday and like we used to do under Coleman. We simply can't go toe to toe with them on footballing ability. You also made another comment complaining how much poorer we were when the subs came on, and proceeded to say the starting line up was all wrong and that we should be playing those players that did come on (such as Bradshaw, who made very little impact) from the off on Tuesday. At least be consistent in your criticisms! I think you're just quite an emotional guy who manages stressful situations (and it can't get much more stressful than watching Wales play) by constantly shooting from the hip, which leads to all of these contradictions and persistent negativity. No offence, but it's the opposite we need in how Wales is managed. Some clear headed decision-making, not dropping players for inferior ones just because of the frustrations with some of the performances. We obviously need to only make changes where we think it will actually improve us. Our starting line-up yesterday was just about the best we had available - you can argue over a player or two (I would have gone for Lockyer instead of Wilson personally and play a different shape), but saying we should be starting lots of other inferior players just because they're different is wide of the mark imo. Right then, let's decipher this. 1. I don't recall complaining about going long? Think you've got my posts mixed up with someone else. So that's settled. 2. I don't expect us to have much of the ball, especially against Croatia, however I do expect us to be able to string a few passes together. Apart from a 20 minute spell in the second half, we couldn't even muster basic 1-2's, and lost the ball again and again. At the end of the day, these players are playing at a very good level, yet we look on the pitch like a pot 4 or 5 team at times. It is worrying. 3. Yes, I standby by comment that we became poorer after the triple substation. We were surprisingly, getting into the game a bit, and were having a bit of joy on the ball. Then the subs came, and we became a bit lost. The subs, again, can be questioned. It wasn't even tactical, it was basically, chuck those three on to save some legs. 4. And I also standby with my opinion that the line up was wrong. I personally think we needed some ball carriers and match fit players on the pitch from the get go - Cooper, Bradshaw (despite your predictable criticisms of him - I guess another one we can write off is it?) That starting line up, similar to all the ones during the WC, looked tired, leggy and unconfident. Moore should not have started as he's clearly off the pace, and his touch was very poor last night. Also hardly bothered in the air, which may be a habit now as he's afraid of getting penalised. Neco is definitely NOT a full back. WB maybe, but not a FB. Morgan Fox is playing well and regularly, why not play him? Giggs made big calls and gambles when he took charge, which eventually paid off, Page needs to start doing the same. 5. A bit naughty regarding the personality dig/assessment, emotional guy etc. For what it's worth, yes, I am quite an emotional person - if you've been through the personal shit that I have over the last 5 years, maybe you'd be a bit neurotic as well. But this forum isn't the place to discuss that. Lastly, I will add, that I don't enjoy watching us play anymore. We don't have an identity, or a style of playing. Riding our luck for 90 mins then score an equaliser is hardly a good watch is it? You could argue Coleman wasn't a master tactician, and we were still very average up top, however he built a team around a solid defence, and being a defender myself, I enjoyed watching us put on sound defensive displays where we conceded very few goals. Right now we have a fragile defence, a passive midfield and little firepower up top. Page has been in charge for quite a decent amount of time now, yet there has been little progress imo. But let's see what happens against Latvia. Hopefully we can put in a good performance, as well as get the goals needed. 'I standby by comment that we became poorer after the triple substation' Think you've missed the point there. I agree that we were poorer after the subs - we took off ramsey, wilson, james, and moore, and brought on broadhead, bradshaw, thomas, and burns. My point was the contradiction in you saying that we got the starting xi all wrong whilst simultaneously saying that we were much better with those starting than when the replacements came on. More to the point, the specific changes made are the ones that you were complaining about starting, and still think shouldn't start tomorrow. You're advocating for bradshaw over moore and for wilson and james to be dropped, even though you thought we played better with them. For me, this demonstrates a wider point. There's a populist point of view that we should always prioritise in-form and match fit players and, in this instance, to the point where you're advocating for us to rely on a League 1 / Championship level forward line to get this must-win. I just completely disagree, and think the evidence we saw on the pitch on Saturday supports that. For example, Wilson isn't playing well in the Premier League, but he's been good for 20+ goal contributions in almost every season he's had in the championship, so I think it would be ridiculous to drop him for a League 1 player who (obviously considering the level) happens to be in better form. Moore is a much better player than Bradshaw as he's shown over 3 or 4 seasons. He's been great for us in the vast majority of games. We had to go direct yesterday to take their midfield superiority out of the equation, so it would have been ridiculous not to start him. 'And I also standby with my opinion that the line up was wrong. I personally think we needed some ball carriers and match fit players on the pitch from the get go - Cooper, Bradshaw' See previous comment, and I don't think anyone could describe Bradshaw as a 'ball carrier'. I have a lot more sympathy for your point on Cooper, although he's definitely not an in-form player so sort of contradicts your other points. But I don't think many would have complained had he started instead of James for example. Think this goes back to the point I made, that we can all debate a player or two but to say that Page got the starting xi completely wrong, no lessons learnt from the WC etc. is just OTT nonsense imo. It was not more of the same as with the WC - the notion of having to rip everything up, replace our highest quality players with League 1/ championship standard just because things didn't go well in the WC is a nonsense. The main complaint at the WC was that we lacked energy. I think anyone saying the side we went with on Saturday lacked energetic players doesn't know what they're talking about. Say what you want about James, Rambo, Neco and Connor, but the one thing they can guarantee in every game is good energy. The main issue for me at the WC was how open we were. Again, I don't think that was the case on Saturday where we looked much more compact, hence how we largely restricted them to long distance efforts. 'A bit naughty regarding the personality dig/assessment, emotional guy etc.' Apologies for that, wasn't meant as a personal dig and really sorry to hear that you've had a lot of personal shit in recent years. I was just trying to understand where you're coming from with what I think are very inconsistent and overly negative views. I just find the persistent negativity frustrating to be honest. |
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Post by manulike on Mar 27, 2023 14:10:19 GMT
What an amazing second half from the red wall. Non stop singing for pretty much 45 mins and goes to show what supporting your team to the very last minute can achieve. We deserved that last minute goal to celebrate and boy was that celebrated wildly. Pure joy. I actually thought we were quite quiet and low energy, around the bars pre match and in the first half and then that explosion of noise, a crescendo of Wales Away aha aha I like it to see us out at the end was magnificent. A real Wales away iconic moment that will stay with me. Similar to the half time rave at Belgium! A real moment and to get clapped back into the town was just lovely. This is no exaggeration although it sounds like it as I type it out but they lined the pavements, came out onto their balconies and clapped us all the way back for the mile walk in to Split..."Congratulations", "Well done", "Great Goal" accompanied by hand shakes, fist bumps and genuine warm smiles. Continued at the breakfast buffet in the morning. I think we made good friends out there, well done Y Wal Goch. Magic. Very proud to be a part of that travelling support. A great rendition of Calon Lan, Sing a song for Speedo and Brooks' song as well ,hope that came across well via the TV. Out of interest when did we start the Wales away song out there....I swear it started in the top right corner at about 73 mins and built from there....by about 78/80 mins it was in full swing, 90 mins....tottal chaos....pants man in sunglasses climbing the fence , tops off all round and images of scences that belong in the Louvre. Sounds like an away trip for the ages. When moments generate organically like that, pure magic! Well done all. That is a totally fair description of events. Non stop rendition of Wales Away song for last 30 minutes until the goal and while police escorted back into town. That one mile walk back made me so so proud! The locals were stunning - fair play to them! |
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Mar 28, 2023 7:53:23 GMT
Unbelievable night mate, just unbelievable, will never ever forget it. What an amazing second half from the red wall. Non stop singing for pretty much 45 mins and goes to show what supporting your team to the very last minute can achieve. We deserved that last minute goal to celebrate and boy was that celebrated wildly. Pure joy. I actually thought we were quite quiet and low energy, around the bars pre match and in the first half and then that explosion of noise, a crescendo of Wales Away aha aha I like it to see us out at the end was magnificent. A real Wales away iconic moment that will stay with me. Similar to the half time rave at Belgium! A real moment and to get clapped back into the town was just lovely. This is no exaggeration although it sounds like it as I type it out but they lined the pavements, came out onto their balconies and clapped us all the way back for the mile walk in to Split..."Congratulations", "Well done", "Great Goal" accompanied by hand shakes, fist bumps and genuine warm smiles. Continued at the breakfast buffet in the morning. I think we made good friends out there, well done Y Wal Goch. Magic. Very proud to be a part of that travelling support. A great rendition of Calon Lan, Sing a song for Speedo and Brooks' song as well ,hope that came across well via the TV. Out of interest when did we start the Wales away song out there....I swear it started in the top right corner at about 73 mins and built from there....by about 78/80 mins it was in full swing, 90 mins....tottal chaos....pants man in sunglasses climbing the fence , tops off all round and images of scences that belong in the Louvre. has to be one of the best away atmospheres ever in the second half. i agree the singing started in some section and built and built to the whole place went into full carnage as the goal went in.... it was awesome. the singing carried on back into the town with Croatians high fives and applauding as we walked by great town great people great result awesome away days |
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Post by njdragon on Mar 28, 2023 8:47:02 GMT
Neco has always played left back for us hasn't he, i think he's struggled every since the world cup qualifiers. Before that at left back he was so exciting, i can see a decline in the welsh shirt and this maybe due to confidence and he's in and out of the first side too. DJ for me - i used to love him, even before the world cup he had his haters but world cup he never played well. He couldnt even use his pace and since then he's really gone backwards in a welsh shirt. Pity as i think both as guaranteed starters normally i think they offer so much Neco’s played left-wing back for us. Allows him that attacking freedom and defensive cover, which he doesn’t necessarily get at left-back. Yes sorry i meant generally on the left and he's been great there - i can't help think its a confidence thing now with his club and international form lacking |
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Post by cadno on Mar 28, 2023 9:56:07 GMT
Got back late Sunday. Superb result, surprised to see negative comments about the performance, we know how tough it is away to these sides especially Croatia, thought we were brave in possession knocked it about nicely at times, solid enough out of it apart from their goal where we were all over the shop. Overall it was a performance to be proud of and so much better than what we saw at the WC
Tough game tonight now, players will have to put the same determination and effort in again
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Post by fireboy0610 on Mar 28, 2023 10:05:22 GMT
What an amazing second half from the red wall. Non stop singing for pretty much 45 mins and goes to show what supporting your team to the very last minute can achieve. We deserved that last minute goal to celebrate and boy was that celebrated wildly. Pure joy. I actually thought we were quite quiet and low energy, around the bars pre match and in the first half and then that explosion of noise, a crescendo of Wales Away aha aha I like it to see us out at the end was magnificent. A real Wales away iconic moment that will stay with me. Similar to the half time rave at Belgium! A real moment and to get clapped back into the town was just lovely. This is no exaggeration although it sounds like it as I type it out but they lined the pavements, came out onto their balconies and clapped us all the way back for the mile walk in to Split..."Congratulations", "Well done", "Great Goal" accompanied by hand shakes, fist bumps and genuine warm smiles. Continued at the breakfast buffet in the morning. I think we made good friends out there, well done Y Wal Goch. Magic. Very proud to be a part of that travelling support. A great rendition of Calon Lan, Sing a song for Speedo and Brooks' song as well ,hope that came across well via the TV. Out of interest when did we start the Wales away song out there....I swear it started in the top right corner at about 73 mins and built from there....by about 78/80 mins it was in full swing, 90 mins....tottal chaos....pants man in sunglasses climbing the fence , tops off all round and images of scences that belong in the Louvre. has to be one of the best away atmospheres ever in the second half. i agree the singing started in some section and built and built to the whole place went into full carnage as the goal went in.... it was awesome. the singing carried on back into the town with Croatians high fives and applauding as we walked by great town great people great result awesome away days Did we meet you in one of the bars in split on the Saturday when you lent me your plug for my charger? |
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Post by fireboy0610 on Mar 28, 2023 10:10:13 GMT
Got back late Sunday. Superb result, surprised to see negative comments about the performance, we know how tough it is away to these sides especially Croatia, thought we were brave in possession knocked it about nicely at times, solid enough out of it apart from their goal where we were all over the shop. Overall it was a performance to be proud of and so much better than what we saw at the WC Tough game tonight now, players will have to put the same determination and effort in again Agree about the negative comments but there will always be people who are naturally pessimistic, I on the hand always try to look at the positives in everything and everyone, if it had stayed 1 nil I would have been happy as we didn't let Croatia overrun us but after the last 20 minutes of singing and the late equaliser bloody hell my head is still in the clouds, I just hope we play well tonight and get three points as Saturdays result will be worthless, imo the crowd will have a big factor, a full house with alot of passion can get us over the line and I'm sure someone else will become a hero ala Nathan. |
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Post by cadno on Mar 28, 2023 10:35:52 GMT
Best away I’ve been to in a long time! Lovely city and locals were so friendly and welcoming, they were chilled and nice after the game too
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Mar 28, 2023 13:31:23 GMT
has to be one of the best away atmospheres ever in the second half. i agree the singing started in some section and built and built to the whole place went into full carnage as the goal went in.... it was awesome. the singing carried on back into the town with Croatians high fives and applauding as we walked by great town great people great result awesome away days Did we meet you in one of the bars in split on the Saturday when you lent me your plug for my charger? i cant f@.king remember much about saturday , i woke up sunday didnt know where the hell i was .  |
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Post by fireboy0610 on Mar 28, 2023 13:57:20 GMT
Did we meet you in one of the bars in split on the Saturday when you lent me your plug for my charger? i cant f@.king remember much about saturday , i woke up sunday didnt know where the hell i was . Now why doesn't that surprise me 🤣 |
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