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Post by cadno on Dec 21, 2022 19:00:55 GMT
Is it possible for the FAW to work alongside the Welsh Government and push for a new stadium to be built as part of the euro 2028 bid? Not that I want the euros to be hosted here, but if it does then we might as well push to get something out of it.
I know it seems a bit ambitious for us Welsh maybe, but instead of it being the ‘national football stadium’ I’m thinking a 10/15k seater in central wales, built for friendlies, some nations league games, all age groups, mens, womens etc. It could be used to host Welsh Cup finals, European games for some of our Welsh Prem clubs…
Alongside this the Welsh gov could push to improve transport networks in Wales, new roads /railway connecting North-West-South. Hopefully the racecourse gets work done on it and we can start taking games around wales again, The racecourse, CCS, Swansea.com and central wales stadium!
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Post by 1gwaunview on Dec 21, 2022 20:07:07 GMT
Nice idea, but I doubt the Labour government in Cardiff would approve. Been reports they've almost put a stop to any new roads recently ( anti-car lobby, global warming etc..).
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Post by llan123 on Dec 21, 2022 20:42:16 GMT
Nowhere in Mid Wales has anywhere near the infrastructure for something like this. It would be a white elephant. The population or the sports teams aren't there for a stadium of that size. It would end up being a money pit for the FAW/Welsh govt/local authority.
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Post by majorraglan on Dec 21, 2022 22:12:32 GMT
As Llan123 has said Mid Wales doesn’t have the infrastructure or the facilities, the largest town in mid or North Powys is Newtown with a population of about 11,000. Road network defo needs upgrading, moving games around Wales could be done, but I suspect it would only work for friendlies as reallocating seats for tournament ticket holders etc would be a logistical nightmare. .
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Post by allezlesrouges on Dec 21, 2022 22:14:31 GMT
It is a nice idea in theory, but I think it would be far too expensive to justify if we're not even planning to use it as our main stadium. I would like to see a development centre in mid-Wales tho
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Post by insertname on Dec 21, 2022 22:44:41 GMT
You’re not going to have a 10/15k stadium for the Euros!
Something on that smaller scale would have to be funded by the FAW and/or grants and private investment. As previous posters have mentioned you’ve then got infrastructure costs to boot which would probably tip it over the edge of the cost/benefit precipice
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Post by robin1864 on Dec 21, 2022 23:18:16 GMT
I've had a bit of thought over the last few days having read the Cymru Premier thread, and now I'd prefer the FAW to build several "football super-hubs" in and around the population centres of Wales instead of a national stadium in the middle of nowhere.
Multiple 4G pitches, a couple of grass pitches, an indoor futsal hall and indoor 4G pitch, classrooms, changing rooms and gym facilities.
All would be available and accessible for local grassroots clubs to play at for a game, season or training purposes at a reasonable rent, which should in theory make the finances of a grassroots club easier to manage when several are pooling together for access to facilities.
I don't think I need to explain how beneficial it would be for grassroots clubs to train and play at professional facilities, which would put many of these clubs at an advantage over clubs of a similar level elsewhere in Europe. The gym facilities could also be open to the general public on a membership basis. 8 of them dotted around the country should be fine with places like Clwyd, Gwynedd, Dyfed, Powys, Glamorgan, Gwent and the valleys all being covered etc.
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Post by bobbyghoul on Dec 22, 2022 8:02:45 GMT
I like your idea. But take Dyfed for example. Where is the centre located? Carmarthen? Llanelli? Ammanford?
Maybe smaller scale facilities across a greater number of population centres is the way forward.
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Post by majorraglan on Dec 22, 2022 8:33:33 GMT
Dyfed is the old county and was comprised of the Counties of Ceredigion, Pembrokeshire and Carmarthenshire, it’s a huge area. Ammanford and Llanelli wouldn’t work if it was Dyfed, Carmarthen could but it would leave kids from places like Aber with a round trip of 2.5 hours to get to the centre. Kds I’m Pembs could also have long journeys.
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Post by jbt95 on Dec 22, 2022 9:45:50 GMT
Strange you don’t want the Euros to be held in Wales cadno |
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Post by jimbo82 on Dec 22, 2022 10:05:06 GMT
Strange you don’t want the Euros to be held in Wales cadno I can't speak for others, but personally the excitement of qualifying for a tournament is all about getting on the plane (or boat) and going off to another country. It'll be exciting for Wales to be a host in 2028, but 3 games in the Principality Stadium doesn't get me excited in the same way as a trip to Germany, Italy, Spain, etc would. |
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Post by aberbeeg on Dec 22, 2022 11:03:37 GMT
Considering the FAW have always pleaded poverty plus the non existent infrastructure and lack of population in Mid Wales it wouldn’t even get off the ground.
They could probably help Wrexham in updating the Racecourse and maybe play a few more friendlies there.
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Post by fiveattheback on Dec 22, 2022 11:07:45 GMT
I'm sorry and don't mean to sound harsh, but that sounds like a big waste of money. The focus of FAW spending should be player development, not a white elephant in the middle of nowhere, especially when we already have stadiums more than capable of hosting games and are in the country's major population centres
Also 10/15k is far too small to be part of a major tournament bid. It would have to be 35k+. We really don't need more stadiums and it would be a huge drain on FAW finances for very little in return
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Post by bobbyghoul on Dec 22, 2022 11:17:43 GMT
I like your idea. But take Dyfed for example. Where is the centre located? Carmarthen? Llanelli? Ammanford? Maybe smaller scale facilities across a greater number of population centres is the way forward. Dyfed is the old county and was comprised of the Counties of Ceredigion, Pembrokeshire and Carmarthenshire, it’s a huge area. Ammanford and Llanelli wouldn’t work if it was Dyfed, Carmarthen could but it would leave kids from places like Aber with a round trip of 2.5 hours to get to the centre. Kds I’m Pembs could also have long journeys. I was just using the terminology originally used. Even if you take Sir Gar as an example it's too big for a central football academy imo. |
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Post by jbt95 on Dec 22, 2022 11:57:31 GMT
Strange you don’t want the Euros to be held in Wales cadno I can't speak for others, but personally the excitement of qualifying for a tournament is all about getting on the plane (or boat) and going off to another country. It'll be exciting for Wales to be a host in 2028, but 3 games in the Principality Stadium doesn't get me excited in the same way as a trip to Germany, Italy, Spain, etc would. 10 years ago you’d have bitten the hand off to host and potentially automatic qualification. Yes it’s nice to go away but I’d love a tournament where the only cost of travel for me is a 12 min train journey and sleeping in my own bed. Hopefully our wallets need a break by 2028 and we’d be able to play more friendlies if we can get automatic qualification, against non euro teams too, everybody is a winner. |
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Post by superunknown on Dec 22, 2022 12:14:36 GMT
I could probably get cheaper flights and accommodation going somewhere in Europe than the amount it costs getting to and from Cardiff then the hotels on match day.
It’s just a way for England to get yet another home tournament without the negative connotations of ‘just England’ after the Euro 2020 fiasco.
I’ve not looked into it too much but would we even get automatic qualification if there’s 5 teams? Would take up a big chunk of the spots available, can’t see the other teams being too happy about that, especially given 4 of the teams don’t qualify every time.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Dec 22, 2022 13:09:58 GMT
Would be more of a home game for me and most of North Wales if a Euros game's played at Everton's ground.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Dec 22, 2022 13:22:04 GMT
Dyfed is the old county and was comprised of the Counties of Ceredigion, Pembrokeshire and Carmarthenshire, it’s a huge area. Ammanford and Llanelli wouldn’t work if it was Dyfed, Carmarthen could but it would leave kids from places like Aber with a round trip of 2.5 hours to get to the centre. Kds I’m Pembs could also have long journeys. One in Carmarthen for the south-west and one somewhere in mid-Wales like either Aber/Newtown. Simples |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Dec 22, 2022 13:25:45 GMT
I could probably get cheaper flights and accommodation going somewhere in Europe than the amount it costs getting to and from Cardiff then the hotels on match day. It’s just a way for England to get yet another home tournament without the negative connotations of ‘just England’ after the Euro 2020 fiasco. I’ve not looked into it too much but would we even get automatic qualification if there’s 5 teams? Would take up a big chunk of the spots available, can’t see the other teams being too happy about that, especially given 4 of the teams don’t qualify every time. I think I've seen something about qualifying taking place as usual, with either 2 or 3 automatic spots being saved for any countries that don't make it. On recent form you'd say us, England & Scotland are likeliest to qualify via top 2 in group route, which would then mean Ireland & N.I would get the automatic spots if they missed out If 4 or 5 of us miss out I'm not sure how it would be decided. I'd guess Nations League ranking but that is pure speculation |
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Post by robin1864 on Dec 22, 2022 17:58:45 GMT
I like your idea. But take Dyfed for example. Where is the centre located? Carmarthen? Llanelli? Ammanford? Maybe smaller scale facilities across a greater number of population centres is the way forward. Micro'ing it for Dyfed seems fair enough. Stick one halfway between Haverfordwest & Carmarthen, one up in Aberystwyth and one in Ammanford, although realistically Ammanford/Llanelli would likely fall under Swansea. Either way, I think the way "out" of the player development rut is by the FAW providing professional facilities to grassroots, rather than producing meaningless documents and strategies that we expect financially destitute clubs to implement. |
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Post by cadno on Dec 22, 2022 19:55:53 GMT
I've had a bit of thought over the last few days having read the Cymru Premier thread, and now I'd prefer the FAW to build several "football super-hubs" in and around the population centres of Wales instead of a national stadium in the middle of nowhere. Multiple 4G pitches, a couple of grass pitches, an indoor futsal hall and indoor 4G pitch, classrooms, changing rooms and gym facilities. All would be available and accessible for local grassroots clubs to play at for a game, season or training purposes at a reasonable rent, which should in theory make the finances of a grassroots club easier to manage when several are pooling together for access to facilities. I don't think I need to explain how beneficial it would be for grassroots clubs to train and play at professional facilities, which would put many of these clubs at an advantage over clubs of a similar level elsewhere in Europe. The gym facilities could also be open to the general public on a membership basis. 8 of them dotted around the country should be fine with places like Clwyd, Gwynedd, Dyfed, Powys, Glamorgan, Gwent and the valleys all being covered etc. This sounds like a better idea than mine! We need to improve the football culture in Wales, and it’s a real shame that our biggest clubs compete in England. Had Swansea, Cardiff etc been part of a Welsh League 100 years ago, we’d have a stronger league, maybe competing more consistently in Europe, and have more of an emphasis on bringing local players through the ranks maybe? Too late for that now though, so hopefully Noel Mooney is a man of his word and puts things in place to improve our national league & infrastructure from grassroots up. |
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Post by cadno on Dec 22, 2022 19:57:14 GMT
Strange you don’t want the Euros to be held in Wales cadno I can't speak for others, but personally the excitement of qualifying for a tournament is all about getting on the plane (or boat) and going off to another country. It'll be exciting for Wales to be a host in 2028, but 3 games in the Principality Stadium doesn't get me excited in the same way as a trip to Germany, Italy, Spain, etc would. Agree, a few games at the principality doesn’t excite me! I hope somewhere better hosts it. But Germany in 2024 will be difficult to beat! |
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Post by rushy on Dec 22, 2022 21:41:41 GMT
Spend it in the north for a change and I'd say , good idea !
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Post by jbt95 on Dec 23, 2022 0:02:10 GMT
I can't speak for others, but personally the excitement of qualifying for a tournament is all about getting on the plane (or boat) and going off to another country. It'll be exciting for Wales to be a host in 2028, but 3 games in the Principality Stadium doesn't get me excited in the same way as a trip to Germany, Italy, Spain, etc would. Agree, a few games at the principality doesn’t excite me! I hope somewhere better hosts it. But Germany in 2024 will be difficult to beat! Only two bids are the Uk & Ireland or Turkey. |
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Post by insertname on Dec 23, 2022 9:26:05 GMT
Agree, a few games at the principality doesn’t excite me! I hope somewhere better hosts it. But Germany in 2024 will be difficult to beat! Only two bids are the Uk & Ireland or Turkey. And then bear in mind that the only bid for 2020 was Turkey and UEFA were so desperate not to have them as hosts that they came up with the idea of distributing the Euros round Europe. |
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Post by talyfan on Dec 23, 2022 9:41:57 GMT
Spend it in the north for a change and I'd say , good idea ! Here here! Annex the South give it to the wurzels |
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Post by conwy10 on Dec 23, 2022 10:03:51 GMT
I've had a bit of thought over the last few days having read the Cymru Premier thread, and now I'd prefer the FAW to build several "football super-hubs" in and around the population centres of Wales instead of a national stadium in the middle of nowhere. Multiple 4G pitches, a couple of grass pitches, an indoor futsal hall and indoor 4G pitch, classrooms, changing rooms and gym facilities. All would be available and accessible for local grassroots clubs to play at for a game, season or training purposes at a reasonable rent, which should in theory make the finances of a grassroots club easier to manage when several are pooling together for access to facilities. I don't think I need to explain how beneficial it would be for grassroots clubs to train and play at professional facilities, which would put many of these clubs at an advantage over clubs of a similar level elsewhere in Europe. The gym facilities could also be open to the general public on a membership basis. 8 of them dotted around the country should be fine with places like Clwyd, Gwynedd, Dyfed, Powys, Glamorgan, Gwent and the valleys all being covered etc. I like the idea, but to expand on it, instead of football hubs maybe community hubs. We've had so many "super schools" built around us with a grass pitch and a concrete MUGA. If the FAW were to almost champion change in the way new schools are built to be the centre of the community, or community builds in general, they might not have to fully fund anything but make money available. Say instead of the grass pitch a 3G/4G is built, they could use it for school activities and have a money generator. Have better parking facilities for staff and parents. The building could be used at evenings and weekends. The school hall could even be made to host indoor sports. I just never understood why a community has to have a school, a football club, a rugby club, community centre, gym all with the absolute basic facilities when they could save a lot of money and have amazing shared facilities by having it all in on place. |
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Post by cadno on Dec 24, 2022 16:29:54 GMT
Agree, a few games at the principality doesn’t excite me! I hope somewhere better hosts it. But Germany in 2024 will be difficult to beat! Only two bids are the Uk & Ireland or Turkey. Turkey please!! |
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Post by jbt95 on Dec 25, 2022 16:27:56 GMT
Only two bids are the Uk & Ireland or Turkey. Turkey please!! Just had some. Very nice. 😝 |
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