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Post by gimli on Jan 31, 2023 10:08:42 GMT
Cardiff set to lose another promising youngster, this time to Man City:
Looked really good when he stepped up to play for the U21s a few weeks ago. Big and good with his feet. One to look out for in a couple of years.
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Post by fiveattheback on Jan 31, 2023 10:25:47 GMT
That's 3 in 6 months and probably more to come. Can't blame the young lads for going but Cardiff will get ~£250k for each after years of development. It's wrong.
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Post by dragonsoccer on Jan 31, 2023 10:32:41 GMT
Bridgend born as previously posted - and currently has not officially been in any Wales Boys/Youth squad
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Post by gimli on Jan 31, 2023 10:36:51 GMT
That's 3 in 6 months and probably more to come. Can't blame the young lads for going but Cardiff will get ~£250k for each after years of development. It's wrong. Yeah it's a deeply unfair system. The Matondo transfer still pisses me off to this day. Losing him for a pittance at 16 after developing him for the best part of a decade, then Man City sell him on two years later and pocket the ~£15m for themselves. It's a disgrace really. |
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Post by fiveattheback on Jan 31, 2023 10:39:45 GMT
That's 3 in 6 months and probably more to come. Can't blame the young lads for going but Cardiff will get ~£250k for each after years of development. It's wrong. Yeah it's a deeply unfair system. The Matondo transfer still pisses me off to this day. Losing him for a pittance at 16 after developing him for the best part of a decade, then Man City sell him on two years later and pocket the ~£15m for themselves. It's a disgrace really. Which they only do to get around FFP rules Like I said though, can't bame the lads, allegedly Crew at Leeds is on more than Colwill & Davies |
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Post by gimli on Jan 31, 2023 10:48:14 GMT
Yeah, the players have to do what's best for them, so good luck to them.
If Cardiff actually had a clear pathway to the first team for the youth, I'm sure that'd go a long way to keeping some of them. I know people will claim that there is now because of Colwill and Davies, but the only reason they got their chance was out of desperation, and even then, only because Mick went out of his way to promote them, not because of some system or philosophy at the club. Mick was a dinosaur but the one thing I'll give him credit for is his willingness to give the youth a chance. Since his sacking none of the other U21s have had a look in.
Crew's probably closer to Leeds' first team now than he would have been to ours under Morison and Hudson had he stayed. Really hope Sabri gives the youth players a chance.
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Post by hooky on Jan 31, 2023 11:29:02 GMT
Maybe they should link a portion of a young player's first subsequent transfer fee to the club that developed them depending how many years they spent at the academy - maybe you could have a threshold so if you say get less than £1mn to £2mn you get the right to x% based on y years of development? Why can't this happen?
That would surely encourage all clubs to develop youngsters and lead to better England, Wales, Scotland and Ireland teams and squads in the future, as more would be invested in them at a young age? It will also deter big teams treating kids like commodities where they know their is 1% chance of them breaking through but 80% chance of a profit, while the player themselves waste a year or two of playing U23 football?
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Post by fiveattheback on Jan 31, 2023 11:34:45 GMT
Because the Premier League don't want it to happen. They want to do what Man City did with Matondo, sign a kid for next to nothing and sell him on for millions a few years later so you can sign a shiny new superstar without breaking FFP
At present it's something like £20k for each year at the selling club, that's peanuts considering an academy costs millions to run each year.
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Post by hooky on Jan 31, 2023 11:37:59 GMT
but if the Championship and other clubs got together a collective agreement and formula on this and held the line then surely the Premier League clubs would have no choice and as I said its better for the league and international teams if there is an incentive there for clubs to invest more in developing talent?
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Post by gimli on Jan 31, 2023 11:42:32 GMT
Yeah, it'll never happen because it's not in the PL's interest for it to happen, but the fairest system would be to have a mandatory sell on clause that splits the transfer fee according to the number of years spent at each respective club. So with Matondo for example, 10 years at Cardiff and 2 years at Man City, Cardiff would have gotten £12.5m of the £15m, and Man City would have gotten £2.5m. It would discourage the big clubs from poaching because they're wouldn't be any financial incentive to do so.
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Post by fiveattheback on Jan 31, 2023 11:54:26 GMT
but if the Championship and other clubs got together a collective agreement and formula on this and held the line then surely the Premier League clubs would have no choice and as I said its better for the league and international teams if there is an incentive there for clubs to invest more in developing talent? Why would they have no choice? Premier League hold all the cards |
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Post by rushy on Jan 31, 2023 13:59:58 GMT
Where are the English FA and EFL on this , what is the point of lower league clubs scouting kids , bringing them through the system from early age only for EPL clubs to take them for virtually nothing , that can't be right.
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Post by welwyn on Jan 31, 2023 14:04:45 GMT
This is the FA system. Called EPPP (Elite Player Performance Pathway), it's literally the FA's rules.
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Post by rushy on Jan 31, 2023 14:13:46 GMT
This is the FA system. Called EPPP (Elite Player Performance Pathway), it's literally the FA's rules. Ridiculous ! |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jan 31, 2023 18:39:17 GMT
The idea is that it's as easy as possible for top English talent to train at top clubs/facilities
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Post by jimexotic on Jan 31, 2023 18:55:56 GMT
If you're a young goalkeeper why would you join a club that only go for the best in the World in every position? Seems a rather silly move and 99% of the time it never works. He can buy a Barratt home now though.
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Post by fiveattheback on Jan 31, 2023 19:01:04 GMT
Would you rather learn from Ederson or Ryan Allsop?
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Post by jimexotic on Jan 31, 2023 19:07:50 GMT
I'd rather play at some point to be honest, he's just going to spend years watching other keepers come in until he's sold to a club probably lower than Cardiff.
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Post by fiveattheback on Jan 31, 2023 19:13:16 GMT
He'll be training with better coaches, players and facilities, he'll have the pick of loan deals and get paid a fair bit more as a result. It's a no brainer really for a young player
Cardiff are in a downward spiral, I don't blame any youngster leaving. How likely is he to play? We've just signed two keepers on 3 year deals, he plays in a position where managers (who are already extremely unlikely to play youngsters) are always going to favour experience.
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Post by insertname on Jan 31, 2023 19:37:52 GMT
Yeah the goalkeeper position is a special case. Bristol Rovers have had keeper issues, despite having a highly rated youth keeper who has performed impressively in the few appearances he’s made the club have taken a keeper of Brentford’s on loan and this story is not unusual. So there are no guarantees of when a youth keeper will get a game even when playing at a lower level. Can’t really blame him for taking an offer from Man City. If anything he’s more likely to make first team appearances on loan higher up the pyramid because he is at a big name club than he is if he had just stayed at Cardiff.
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Post by gimli on Jan 31, 2023 20:10:17 GMT
Yeah the vast vast majority of youth players don't make it at the club they come through at. If you play for Man City's academy and get released, your second chance is likely to be in the Championship or League One, whereas if you get released from Cardiff City's academy, your second chance will be at League Two at best, or more likely much further down the pyramid. Can't blame the player at all for jumping at the opportunity.
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Post by jimexotic on Jan 31, 2023 20:22:41 GMT
We'll see how this thread and his career develops over the next few years but I always find it very underwhelming when kids leave academies to join Man City's or Chesea's.
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Post by jimexotic on Feb 1, 2023 0:21:41 GMT
One thing that gets me, Man City have spent millions and millions on their youth set up and yet they're pinching kids from Cardiff City. Why can't teams just get kids from their area and nurture them, surely that's what all the money on thee set ups is meant to be doing, developing the local young talent with the hope of some of them progressing to the first team. I know the game has changed and the catchment area is the World these days but it doesn't sit right with me, especially when they've spent so much money on their youth set up. After nearly 15 years of Middle East money Phil Foden is the only kid that's come through and kept his place in their matchday squads. Cosmic.
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Post by fiveattheback on Apr 21, 2023 15:45:20 GMT
Interesting article here primarily about youngsters Japhet Matondo & Tanatswa Nyakuhwa, however an interesting line about Lewys Benjamin: roathboy.com/tanatswa-nyakuhwa-and-japhet-matondo-are-the-next-in-line/"Lewys Benjamin was all set to join the exodus, but reported complications relating to his Manchester City medical have seen him remain in South Wales, but seemingly only temporarily, with Wolves keen to push through a summer move." Now Manchester City I understand, but is Wolves a huge step up? Cardiff's keepers are terrible & Benjamin's made the bench for City in the FA Cup, there's a real possibility he could get into the Cardiff team |
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Post by jimexotic on Apr 21, 2023 17:36:01 GMT
He won't get a sniff at Wolves, they'll always go with an experienced guy in goal. Stay put, break into the Cardiff side and play well to progress your career, one way or another (either helping Cardiff back to the Premier League or earning a move to a Prem side as number one).
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