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Post by toshfan on Mar 30, 2023 22:43:36 GMT
In theory number of speakers should increase over time as Welsh Government increase the percentage of schools in Wales that are Welsh medium Yes and like Joe Allen and Iwan Morgan a majority of future Welsh speakers in the squad will come from homes where Welsh is not spoken. Our football scene will reflect the success of Welsh Medium Education. This is very different to the profile of Welsh speaking footballers from the 80s. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 31, 2023 0:07:52 GMT
According to the census it's declining but according to the ONS it's increasing. If you take an average of both estimates the overall number of speakers is probably slightly higher than it was pre-Devolution I'd bet I think it's something like 40% of Welsh speakers are aged under 35, so I think over the coming decades we will see an increase in overall percentage. The decline of the 20th century has definitely been halted at the very least - we're not bleeding speakers anymore I've also read a piece of research that said in 200-300 years time all of Wales will be bilingual and I do believe that. If we can get above 50% speakers nation wide the language will become more self-sufficient as well Anyway I'm going on now, interesting topic to me fel dysgwyr iaith! I live in West Wales and while the number of kids going through Welsh Education is increasing, however it’s my belief we’re losing lots of youngsters who go on to Uni etc and move away as there aren’t the opportunities down here for them. There are also lots of people moving in to Wales from the other side of the Dyke, some are Welsh retiring back to Wales after a career elsewhere and others are English moving down here after retiring as there’s a quieter and “better” quality of life here. my post isn’t meant to be political or controversial or anti anything, I’m just expressing my opinion from my experience. I know Ceredigion well and I've seen that. But also feels like attitudes towards Welsh are more positive than they have been. Definitely positives and negatives for the language at the moment for sure |
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Post by conwy10 on Apr 1, 2023 6:22:13 GMT
Coming for Gwynedd, surely Hennessey speaks Welsh too? No, he doesn't. Now if we had capped Jiws or Les! According to his Wikipedia he's fluent Welsh speaker. Also knows nothing about World War 2 🤷 I'm sure there's plenty in the squad who have a good level of Welsh, but mistakes in Welsh are met with ridicule not seen by any other country. |
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Post by bale-droed on Apr 1, 2023 8:05:32 GMT
No, he doesn't. Now if we had capped Jiws or Les! According to his Wikipedia he's fluent Welsh speaker. Also knows nothing about World War 2 🤷 I'm sure there's plenty in the squad who have a good level of Welsh, but mistakes in Welsh are met with ridicule not seen by any other country. Having a welsh language education I can relate. 2 years of the battle of 1066 followed in year 9 by kings and queens. Didn’t take it for my GCSE. When I was 19 I started reading a book on Welsh history and now all I do is tell people about all the local history in my hometown that they don’t know. Every child in Wales in year 7 should be learning about the local area they call home and developing a sense of pride for the place they call home .,,, instead of the shit English curriculum in Welsh. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Apr 1, 2023 11:09:07 GMT
No, he doesn't. Now if we had capped Jiws or Les! According to his Wikipedia he's fluent Welsh speaker. Also knows nothing about World War 2 🤷 I'm sure there's plenty in the squad who have a good level of Welsh, but mistakes in Welsh are met with ridicule not seen by any other country. He was Welsh medium educated until he was about 14 I think, and then he moved to either England to an English speaking school for football reasons. I'd bet he can understand a fair amount, but is rusty with his speaking to the point he doesn't give interviews in Welsh |
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Post by CrackityJones on May 5, 2023 18:48:55 GMT
Confident lad:
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Post by jimexotic on May 5, 2023 19:31:51 GMT
I love that attitude, I'm not sure if Swansea fans will like listening to that though, doesn't sound like he has any intention of sticking around, at least he's showing more ambition than the club!
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Post by fiveattheback on May 5, 2023 20:42:51 GMT
I love that attitude, I'm not sure if Swansea fans will like listening to that though, doesn't sound like he has any intention of sticking around, at least he's showing more ambition than the club! Ambition is critical! |
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Post by hooky on May 6, 2023 9:42:39 GMT
Arrogant but driven, full of joy, respectful to his country and especially his family!
Think he stood out a bit for our U17s so hopefully he can reach the top.
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Post by robin1864 on May 6, 2023 19:00:48 GMT
It's refreshing to see a lad with ambition who backs himself and his ability. More of this confidence throughout our teams would likely see more aggressive performances and yield better results.
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Post by manulike on May 7, 2023 17:50:06 GMT
Very much looking forward to seeing him out in Budapest.
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Post by iot on Sept 1, 2023 22:20:36 GMT
Gone to Brentford. They must rate him highly having splashed out a 6-fgure sum for a 17yo.
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Post by bale-droed on Sept 2, 2023 5:06:33 GMT
Gone to Brentford. They must rate him highly having splashed out a 6-fgure sum for a 17yo. I did not see this coming. I honestly thought this season Swansea would start playing him regularly and I thought they'd start him in cup games. This is a huge blow for Swansea. In a couple of years we might look at Brentford and say that was signing of the summer. |
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Post by zserty on Sept 2, 2023 6:57:01 GMT
Gone to Brentford. They must rate him highly having splashed out a 6-fgure sum for a 17yo. I did not see this coming. I honestly thought this season Swansea would start playing him regularly and I thought they'd start him in cup games. This is a huge blow for Swansea. In a couple of years we might look at Brentford and say that was signing of the summer. Not that i begrudge him going (hadn't really heard too much about him untill yesterday) but is Brentford really the best place to develop, they scrapped their entire academy setup as they didnt value it. First team football is vital for any youngster and Swansea have given loads their chance a lot of them going on to better things having developed and with a lot more experience. |
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Post by trippinbillie on Sept 2, 2023 9:07:52 GMT
As a Swans fan, I would say I'm disappointed in him leaving, unfortunately like most youth players the clubs hands were tied, the word was he refused a contract and was never really seeing the club as his future. He was definitely well thought of and if signed a pro contract with the club would have had a few opportunities. Hopefully for Wales's sake his development isn't hampered at the Bee's and he can push on from here. The feeling was that moving him to the U'21's this season would have swayed him but alas he made the decision to leave.
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Post by walesgolfmadrid on Sept 2, 2023 9:37:47 GMT
Gone to Brentford. They must rate him highly having splashed out a 6-fgure sum for a 17yo. I did not see this coming. I honestly thought this season Swansea would start playing him regularly and I thought they'd start him in cup games. This is a huge blow for Swansea. In a couple of years we might look at Brentford and say that was signing of the summer. He turned down our pro deal, and we probably knew this was coming during the summer. He may have had more of an opportunity in cup games had he signed a contract, and I think he would have started to get games at some point this season had he signed a deal but there's little point if he's got his mind set on a Premier League move. It's effectively the consequence of us being a Championship club, we've got to accept that all of our top talents (first-team and academy) will move on if a Premier League move is on the table. |
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Post by garynysmon on Sept 2, 2023 10:02:09 GMT
It does seem like a risky move from his point of view.
If he ends up being loaned out this season then fine, but if he's going to play in the U18's or 23's then I'd suggest he'd have seen more 'men's football' staying with Swansea and playing in the Welsh League Cup or being on the cusp of a first team spot.
Not convinced that reserve/U23 football is any good tbh.
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Post by jimexotic on Sept 2, 2023 13:02:57 GMT
Didn't see this coming. I think Brentford is quite a good move though, this isn't a stockpile signing.
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Post by dai on Sept 2, 2023 20:57:29 GMT
Swansea should have been integrating him into the first team last year.
Look at Evan Ferguson, 18 years old, same sort of age, has been becoming a VERY good striker at Brighton.
I've seen Iwan play a few times for Wales (youth ages) and he's looked more than ready for a stab at first team action in the championship. I wrote on here that he reminded me of Rooney at that age. All the other players looked like boys, yet this guy looks like a fully grown man already.
Big shame for Swansea this.
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Post by evans1282 on Sept 3, 2023 0:21:06 GMT
No, he doesn't. Now if we had capped Jiws or Les! According to his Wikipedia he's fluent Welsh speaker. Also knows nothing about World War 2 🤷 I'm sure there's plenty in the squad who have a good level of Welsh, but mistakes in Welsh are met with ridicule not seen by any other country. I think the ridicule thing is a thing of the past |
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Post by conwy10 on Sept 6, 2023 17:57:35 GMT
According to his Wikipedia he's fluent Welsh speaker. Also knows nothing about World War 2 🤷 I'm sure there's plenty in the squad who have a good level of Welsh, but mistakes in Welsh are met with ridicule not seen by any other country. I think the ridicule thing is a thing of the past It isn't, trust me. At least not in the Conwy Valley. Any slight mistake in an otherwise perfect sentence is publicly laughed at. I'm almost fluent but still trip up on things, at this point would rather pretend I don't speak it. |
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Post by surge on Sept 6, 2023 19:23:35 GMT
I think the ridicule thing is a thing of the past It isn't, trust me. At least not in the Conwy Valley. Any slight mistake in an otherwise perfect sentence is publicly laughed at. I'm almost fluent but still trip up on things, at this point would rather pretend I don't speak it. This isn't good to read. What age of people are publicly laughing? Are they 60+ and therefore more likely to be "a thing of the past" or are there younger who are being so self-defeating? |
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Post by dai on Sept 6, 2023 21:19:54 GMT
It isn't, trust me. At least not in the Conwy Valley. Any slight mistake in an otherwise perfect sentence is publicly laughed at. I'm almost fluent but still trip up on things, at this point would rather pretend I don't speak it. This isn't good to read. What age of people are publicly laughing? Are they 60+ and therefore more likely to be "a thing of the past" or are there younger who are being so self-defeating? I would say if there is ridicule, it comes from the older, snobby generation of Welsh speakers. They are very few and far between though. I have seen some friends belittled on facebook for writing posts in Wenglish or slang Welsh. But this is rare and usually from the same culprits. |
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Post by cogancoronation31 on Sept 6, 2023 21:23:56 GMT
Pob lwc yn Brentford, Iwan!
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Post by allezlesrouges on Sept 6, 2023 21:44:32 GMT
As a learner from Cardiff living in Cardiff I have to say my attempts have always been received positively. Although I guess I get a pass for obviously not sounding like a native speaker, whereas someone who sounds fluent will get teased more for making an error (same happens in English - although I'm not defending either) One piece of advice I had early on that helped my confidence to try and speak Welsh was to remember that there are dickheads in every language. Just because some dickheads made you feel negative for trying doesn't mean all speakers will do the same, and should a few dickheads really put us off doing our bit to protect our beautiful language? No! conwy10 gobeithio ti'n parhau defnyddio'r iaith - pob un siaradwyr yn bwysig i'r dyfodol o Gymru a phobl Celtaidd |
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Post by conwy10 on Sept 7, 2023 10:25:16 GMT
It isn't, trust me. At least not in the Conwy Valley. Any slight mistake in an otherwise perfect sentence is publicly laughed at. I'm almost fluent but still trip up on things, at this point would rather pretend I don't speak it. This isn't good to read. What age of people are publicly laughing? Are they 60+ and therefore more likely to be "a thing of the past" or are there younger who are being so self-defeating? Worst for it is men in their 60's and females in their 20/30's I'd say. Usually in group settings too. I don't mind too much as it's just individuals, but when people dismiss it happens it's just not correct. |
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Post by conwy10 on Sept 7, 2023 10:38:22 GMT
As a learner from Cardiff living in Cardiff I have to say my attempts have always been received positively. Although I guess I get a pass for obviously not sounding like a native speaker, whereas someone who sounds fluent will get teased more for making an error (same happens in English - although I'm not defending either) One piece of advice I had early on that helped my confidence to try and speak Welsh was to remember that there are dickheads in every language. Just because some dickheads made you feel negative for trying doesn't mean all speakers will do the same, and should a few dickheads really put us off doing our bit to protect our beautiful language? No! conwy10 gobeithio ti'n parhau defnyddio'r iaith - pob un siaradwyr yn bwysig i'r dyfodol o Gymru a phobl Celtaidd With myself I have one Welsh word for everything. So Yes for me is always ia, I never say do, oes, ydw etc which makes it fine in my eyes but not in others. Another is when I'm talking Welsh I'll throw in one or two English words without realising. I also think theres regional differwnces that make absolutely no geographical sense. Milk was always Llefrith to us, but not even North-South some use Llaeth in other communities right next door. Ice is Iâ, rhew is frost. Ask someone in a pub if they want iâ in their drink is always getting a laugh. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Sept 7, 2023 12:07:10 GMT
As a learner from Cardiff living in Cardiff I have to say my attempts have always been received positively. Although I guess I get a pass for obviously not sounding like a native speaker, whereas someone who sounds fluent will get teased more for making an error (same happens in English - although I'm not defending either) One piece of advice I had early on that helped my confidence to try and speak Welsh was to remember that there are dickheads in every language. Just because some dickheads made you feel negative for trying doesn't mean all speakers will do the same, and should a few dickheads really put us off doing our bit to protect our beautiful language? No! conwy10 gobeithio ti'n parhau defnyddio'r iaith - pob un siaradwyr yn bwysig i'r dyfodol o Gymru a phobl Celtaidd With myself I have one Welsh word for everything. So Yes for me is always ia, I never say do, oes, ydw etc which makes it fine in my eyes but not in others. Another is when I'm talking Welsh I'll throw in one or two English words without realising. I also think theres regional differwnces that make absolutely no geographical sense. Milk was always Llefrith to us, but not even North-South some use Llaeth in other communities right next door. Ice is Iâ, rhew is frost. Ask someone in a pub if they want iâ in their drink is always getting a laugh. I always say "ie" so I do the same thing, unless it's really obvious to me which response is required I go with "ie". I have to throw in English too as my vocab isn't native level, and nowadays I hear plenty of native speakers do the same - more common to hear that in the south I think compared to the north west where Welsh is very lived in and minimal English is used At the end of the day even if my Welsh is bad it's better than never using it imo |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Sept 7, 2023 12:15:32 GMT
Absolutely.
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Post by neverever on Aug 28, 2024 20:05:34 GMT
On the bench tonight for Brentford's fixture.
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