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Post by jbt95 on Oct 31, 2023 9:49:16 GMT
Seems Saudi Arabia will win the bid to host unopposed.
No doubt it’ll be another winter World Cup - personally I didn’t mind it last year, but many will moan.
Saudi is one country I definitely would not visit.
Would be typical for us to qualify for this edition and miss out on the two before!
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Post by surge on Oct 31, 2023 10:17:03 GMT
I don't know if it's happened yet but it will be interesting to read a report on how the World Cup going to Qatar changed the culture for minorities - whether having a spotlight forced the government to improve things (and whether improvements were lasting or just until world media moved on) or whether they just rode out the storm supported by FIFA officials.
2034 is a long way away but the idea of having World Cups hosted now almost exclusively by countries where minorities aren't safe to attend openly is troubling.
Of course it's very possible to argue that there are USA states where it's not safe for minorities so not simply a West versus East mindset.
Just as long as the money is there, eh?
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 31, 2023 12:13:19 GMT
Seems quite soon to be going back to the middle east
2014: South America
2018: Eastern Europe
2022: Middle east
2026: North America
2030: South America/North Africa/Southern Europe (joke of a tournament)
2034: Middle east
As an aside Morocco are apparently planning to build a 113,000 seat stadium for the 2030 world cup, which would be the 2nd biggest stadium in the world. I can't imagine what they will do with that after the tournament ends?!
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Post by fiveattheback on Oct 31, 2023 12:43:17 GMT
Ridiculous stitch up.
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Post by cogancoronation31 on Oct 31, 2023 13:00:58 GMT
Won't be going to Saudi (if that's where it ends up being in 2034), even if I'm still around then!
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Post by welshrover on Oct 31, 2023 13:31:38 GMT
It's gonna come down to which country can afford it.
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Post by jbt95 on Oct 31, 2023 13:40:16 GMT
Seems quite soon to be going back to the middle east 2014: South America 2018: Eastern Europe 2022: Middle east 2026: North America 2030: South America/North Africa/Southern Europe (joke of a tournament) 2034: Middle east As an aside Morocco are apparently planning to build a 113,000 seat stadium for the 2030 world cup, which would be the 2nd biggest stadium in the world. I can't imagine what they will do with that after the tournament ends?! I don’t see the issue with 2030. It’s 3 games to mark the centennial anniversary. If we qualify and somehow got Argentina in the first match, nobody would complain! Morocco may do what Qatar did and take tiers off it later on. |
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Post by abercymru on Oct 31, 2023 14:20:53 GMT
I'm not sure about that. It'd be great to play Argentina there, but from a travel, time and cost perspective it's not exactly great to be going there then back to North Africa / South Europe.
I'd have preferred they held it in one or the other personally.
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Post by jbt95 on Oct 31, 2023 14:25:56 GMT
We can only assume not enough of the South American countries wanted to fully co-host a 48 team tournament.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 31, 2023 14:39:50 GMT
Uruguay, Argentina & Paraguay bid for the tournament together. I don't know why FIFA didn't give it to them given the significance of it being the 100 year anniversary, they have the stadia ready for that one and having multiple games in Uruguay/Paraguay would be great in particular
Honestly I can see no real reason not to do it there? It's obvious what has happened is FIFA made it clear they wouldn't win and have offered them the first games as a take it or leave it offer
I don't know why they couldn't do South America for 2030, Spain/Portugal/Morocco 2034, and Saudi 2038
When will China or Australia get a look in now? Not until the 2040s now
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Post by jbt95 on Oct 31, 2023 15:05:09 GMT
Australia want to host the 2029 Club World Cup.
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Post by fiveattheback on Oct 31, 2023 16:42:34 GMT
We can only assume not enough of the South American countries wanted to fully co-host a 48 team tournament. I think it's pretty obvious why Fifa plan to spread the tournament across 3 continents after one in North America |
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Post by surge on Oct 31, 2023 16:54:50 GMT
Australia want to host the 2029 Club World Cup. Is that still a thing?? More football, all the time, more travel, more football and with no concern to the players, fans or climate. |
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Post by jbt95 on Oct 31, 2023 17:07:00 GMT
Australia want to host the 2029 Club World Cup. Is that still a thing?? More football, all the time, more travel, more football and with no concern to the players, fans or climate. Not only is it still a thing, from 2025 it’s being expanded to a 32 team tournament played in June/July. 2025 it’s being held in the USA. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 31, 2023 17:49:11 GMT
Is that still a thing?? More football, all the time, more travel, more football and with no concern to the players, fans or climate. Not only is it still a thing, from 2025 it’s being expanded to a 32 team tournament played in June/July. 2025 it’s being held in the USA. I mean the current CWC is a bit of a joke, the only reason it's considered a "major honour" is because the UCL winners are almost guaranteed to win it, so they can add to their list of "major trophies" without much effort How does this effect the Nations League finals that will also be held in June 2025? Is it conceivable that a player could play in Euro 2024, Nations League finals 2025, Club World Cup 2025, World Cup 2026, Nations League finals 2027, Euro 2028, Club World Cup 2029, World Cup 2030 and on and on...it looks like there will be a summer competition every summer moving forwards? Crazy! Currently qualified there is: Chelsea, Man City, Real Madrid, UCL winner 24 Based on current UEFA rankings these clubs will also qualify (if we imagine that Bayern win the UCL 23/24): PSG, Liverpool, Man United, Inter Milan, RB Leipzig, Roma, Sevilla & Juventus It would be interesting to watch those clubs go up against the south american clubs, and could lead to more clubs improving world wide to have a bigger competition. I'd like to watch it, but it sounds like a lot to be asking of the players |
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Post by manulike on Oct 31, 2023 19:49:57 GMT
Seems Saudi Arabia will win the bid to host unopposed. No doubt it’ll be another winter World Cup - personally I didn’t mind it last year, but many will moan. Saudi is one country I definitely would not visit. Would be typical for us to qualify for this edition and miss out on the two before! There is a wee thread about some of my Saudi experiences last year. I won’t repeat it all. Just wanted to emphasize that I personally found my nine days in Saudi really eye opening. A total opposite of my bad experience in Qatar. Really felt welcome and not just tolerated... Also felt that everyone I met was very open minded and accepting. Again. The total opposite of Qatar. |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Oct 31, 2023 20:01:49 GMT
Unless you're gay, then would that experience mean that much?
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Post by jbt95 on Oct 31, 2023 20:16:39 GMT
Not only is it still a thing, from 2025 it’s being expanded to a 32 team tournament played in June/July. 2025 it’s being held in the USA. I mean the current CWC is a bit of a joke, the only reason it's considered a "major honour" is because the UCL winners are almost guaranteed to win it, so they can add to their list of "major trophies" without much effort How does this effect the Nations League finals that will also be held in June 2025? Is it conceivable that a player could play in Euro 2024, Nations League finals 2025, Club World Cup 2025, World Cup 2026, Nations League finals 2027, Euro 2028, Club World Cup 2029, World Cup 2030 and on and on...it looks like there will be a summer competition every summer moving forwards? Crazy! The Nations League Finals are scheduled when there’s due to be qualifiers anyway, which in an ‘even’/international tournament year are the dates for international friendlies before the tournament begins, so I would assume the Club World Cup would begin a week or so after all the internationals are over. There would be a tournament 3 out of every 4 years. The expanded CWC is replacing the slot that was held by the Confederations Cup, albeit it with 4 times the amount of teams. |
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Post by llan123 on Oct 31, 2023 20:17:45 GMT
Uruguay, Argentina & Paraguay bid for the tournament together. I don't know why FIFA didn't give it to them given the significance of it being the 100 year anniversary, they have the stadia ready for that one and having multiple games in Uruguay/Paraguay would be great in particular Honestly I can see no real reason not to do it there? It's obvious what has happened is FIFA made it clear they wouldn't win and have offered them the first games as a take it or leave it offer I don't know why they couldn't do South America for 2030, Spain/Portugal/Morocco 2034, and Saudi 2038 When will China or Australia get a look in now? Not until the 2040s now They gave it to South America, Africa and Europe as a creative way to knock all those continents out of being able to host a World Cup in 2034 and allow for Asia to host again. Its pretty absurd really but very creative of them. Saudi Arabia is infinitely more deserving and has far more football and non-football culture than Qatar ever has, I had nothing against and Arab world cup, I just found it mind boggling it was Qatar that got the nod (£££). China now know what to do to get it, suck up to to FIFA like the Saudis have and they will get it very soon, the Aussies have no chance. There's not many countries with the infrastructure left to host it now who haven't since 1990? Can only think of England, Australia, India and China? Colombia and Nigeria could probably have a go. |
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Post by jbt95 on Oct 31, 2023 20:18:55 GMT
Seems Saudi Arabia will win the bid to host unopposed. No doubt it’ll be another winter World Cup - personally I didn’t mind it last year, but many will moan. Saudi is one country I definitely would not visit. Would be typical for us to qualify for this edition and miss out on the two before! There is a wee thread about some of my Saudi experiences last year. I won’t repeat it all. Just wanted to emphasize that I personally found my nine days in Saudi really eye opening. A total opposite of my bad experience in Qatar. Really felt welcome and not just tolerated... Also felt that everyone I met was very open minded and accepting. Again. The total opposite of Qatar. Fair enough maybe I am a bit ignorant but have not heard good things about Saudi Arabia. Personally, I had an amazing time in Qatar. |
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Post by janglingjack on Nov 1, 2023 13:57:40 GMT
I suppose the Aussies withdrew their bid because there’s no point spending money on it if a wealthy opponent can just buy the FIFA delegates like Qatar and Russia did? when they are announced as the hosts i think football will be done for me,i will always love it from afar like that ex you never quite forget but i will concentrate on other things i like in life, i guess most of you went to Qatar so don't really understand peoples petty morals and conscience as football trumps everything.
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Post by surge on Nov 1, 2023 18:28:58 GMT
There is a wee thread about some of my Saudi experiences last year. I won’t repeat it all. Just wanted to emphasize that I personally found my nine days in Saudi really eye opening. A total opposite of my bad experience in Qatar. Really felt welcome and not just tolerated... Also felt that everyone I met was very open minded and accepting. Again. The total opposite of Qatar. Fair enough maybe I am a bit ignorant but have not heard good things about Saudi Arabia. Personally, I had an amazing time in Qatar. With respect, if you had the money and time to go to Qatar it's unlikely you'd be seen as a minority in that country. You'd be seen as a potential ambassador who can speak about the good times out there whereas the migrant workers (for example) were reportedly not treated with same respect. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 2, 2023 15:46:11 GMT
Uruguay, Argentina & Paraguay bid for the tournament together. I don't know why FIFA didn't give it to them given the significance of it being the 100 year anniversary, they have the stadia ready for that one and having multiple games in Uruguay/Paraguay would be great in particular Honestly I can see no real reason not to do it there? It's obvious what has happened is FIFA made it clear they wouldn't win and have offered them the first games as a take it or leave it offer I don't know why they couldn't do South America for 2030, Spain/Portugal/Morocco 2034, and Saudi 2038 When will China or Australia get a look in now? Not until the 2040s now Saudi Arabia is infinitely more deserving and has far more football and non-football culture than Qatar ever has, I had nothing against and Arab world cup, I just found it mind boggling it was Qatar that got the nod (£££). China now know what to do to get it, suck up to to FIFA like the Saudis have and they will get it very soon, the Aussies have no chance. There's not many countries with the infrastructure left to host it now who haven't since 1990? Can only think of England, Australia, India and China? Colombia and Nigeria could probably have a go. This makes so much sense and I now understand this in a different way. Completely cynical, and very very FIFA! |
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Post by jimexotic on Nov 3, 2023 0:42:55 GMT
So by 2034 it will be 28 years since a decent European hosted World Cup. Russia 2018 was bad, terrible choice. Basically since Germany 2006 it's just been a series of bad to terrible decisions and seemingly nothing has been learned.
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Post by jbt95 on Nov 3, 2023 7:44:35 GMT
So by 2034 it will be 28 years since a decent European hosted World Cup. Russia 2018 was bad, terrible choice. Basically since Germany 2006 it's just been a series of bad to terrible decisions and seemingly nothing has been learned. 2030 is Spain Portugal Morocco? |
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Post by welshrover on Nov 3, 2023 9:40:05 GMT
So by 2034 it will be 28 years since a decent European hosted World Cup. Russia 2018 was bad, terrible choice. Basically since Germany 2006 it's just been a series of bad to terrible decisions and seemingly nothing has been learned. 2030 is Spain Portugal Morocco? Plus some games in South America I'm sure I read. |
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Post by jbt95 on Nov 3, 2023 10:12:44 GMT
2030 is Spain Portugal Morocco? Plus some games in South America I'm sure I read. Yeah but only 3 opening games. Only really is an issue for 3 countries. The majority of the tournament will be held in Spain. |
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Post by welshrover on Nov 3, 2023 11:30:51 GMT
Plus some games in South America I'm sure I read. Yeah but only 3 opening games. Only really is an issue for 3 countries. The majority of the tournament will be held in Spain. Thanks for clarifying. We could have a massive away following if all the people from Patagonia go to the game 😊 |
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Post by vvm on Nov 3, 2023 11:37:29 GMT
Desperate to qualify for Euro 24 now, feels like it's got the potential to be the first decent tournament in a while (Everything since 2016 has been questionable) and potentially the last for a while too (although World cup 2026 has potential).
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