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Post by morg on Nov 20, 2024 14:54:54 GMT
Tackle on Cullen was a bad one.
Some of the refs are over fussy but we've got to allow for that. Ben Davies has played every minute of the NL, made some crunching tackles and has zero yellows. We've seen in the past that suspensions can really hurt us. Don't get me wrong sometimes taking a yellow can be a match winner. JJ has had one or two of those, but to get them for petulance is just a waste.
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Post by dai on Nov 20, 2024 17:03:01 GMT
Some tackles can be considered borderline assault though, no wonder players get wound up and aggressive. You would too if you saw a team mate or colleague get kicked around.
Iceland were very physical last night, almost bullying us in the first half, and I'm glad we stood up to them in the 2nd half.
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Post by toshfan on Nov 20, 2024 18:23:16 GMT
Some tackles can be considered borderline assault though, no wonder players get wound up and aggressive. Which tackles are you referring to? I have had a look at the one on Wilson (70:30 minutes) and it is a reckless tackle. It does not pass the test of being Serious Foul Play. Nonsense. Leave it to the referee especially with continental referees who apply laws firmly. We played better in the 2nd half and it is nothing to do with standing up to anyone. |
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Post by dai on Nov 20, 2024 18:40:53 GMT
Some tackles can be considered borderline assault though, no wonder players get wound up and aggressive. Which tackles are you referring to? I have had a look at the one on Wilson (70:30 minutes) and it is a reckless tackle. It does not pass the test of being Serious Foul Play. Nonsense. Leave it to the referee especially with continental referees who apply laws firmly. We played better in the 2nd half and it is nothing to do with standing up to anyone. Not referring to any tackles specifically, just talking generally. It's not nonsense, it's in human nature to be protective of one another. Obviously, I'd rather players avoided confrontation, but if you see a team mate kicked/tackled cynically, with the possibility of causing a serious injury, of course some are going to react. It's an emotional response after all, these are not robots on the pitch. I will disagree with your last statement too, we were a lot more aggressive and in their faces in the second half and it paid off. |
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Post by toshfan on Nov 21, 2024 11:38:27 GMT
Not referring to any tackles specifically, just talking generally. So "borderline assault" did not apply. There should not be a need to react when it is obvious that the referee is dealing with the matter. We need discipline and emotional intelligence. These fine margins matter. Brennan Johnson will be no good to us if he is suspended. |
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Post by morg on Nov 21, 2024 11:53:49 GMT
[/quote]We need discipline and emotional intelligence. These fine margins matter. Brennan Johnson will be no good to us if he is suspended.[/quote]
Particularly in an 8 match qualifying group and possible play offs thereafter.
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Post by winsumluzsum on Nov 21, 2024 12:03:43 GMT
Will Johnson be suspended for the first game of the World Cup qualifiers? Or will his suspension happen when we next play Nations league fixtures.
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Post by surge on Nov 21, 2024 12:08:31 GMT
There was a period of time towards the end of his spell with Cardiff where Peter Whittingham would foul at least once per game to slow down a counter-attack but not be booked because of his clean reputation.
I like that Brennan stands up for his team mates but it feels like refs are keeping an eye out for him and giving him yellows other players wouldn't get. I haven't seen the replay from Tuesday but it felt very harsh in the ground when others more involved.
Part of his development, indeed us as a whole squad, will be being a bit smarter about these things.
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Post by toshfan on Nov 21, 2024 12:34:40 GMT
Will Johnson be suspended for the first game of the World Cup qualifiers? Or will his suspension happen when we next play Nations league fixtures. We do not lose him for either because of the following competition regulation: 58.03 Cautions and pending yellow-card suspensions expire at the end of a team's involvement in the competition. |
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Post by toshfan on Nov 21, 2024 12:40:38 GMT
I like that Brennan stands up for his team mates but it feels like refs are keeping an eye out for him and giving him yellows other players wouldn't get. It was excellent refereeing to spot the infringement in the home game against Turkey. A clear caution away at Iceland. I cannot remember the one last weekend out in Turkey. You are reading way too much into it if you think referees are looking out for him. Continental Referees are just stricter in their application of law than we are used to watching the EPL or Championship. As soon as he got involved (he was the 1st Welsh player to do so) I knew that a caution was coming. Yes, the referee could have cautioned Rodon also but when lots happen the minimum expected - in order to maintain control - is to get the initial aggressors. The referee did so. |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Nov 21, 2024 13:49:49 GMT
I like that Brennan stands up for his team mates but it feels like refs are keeping an eye out for him and giving him yellows other players wouldn't get. It was excellent refereeing to spot the infringement in the home game against Turkey. A clear caution away at Iceland. I cannot remember the one last weekend out in Turkey. You are reading way too much into it if you think referees are looking out for him. Continental Referees are just stricter in their application of law than we are used to watching the EPL or Championship. As soon as he got involved (he was the 1st Welsh player to do so) I knew that a caution was coming. Yes, the referee could have cautioned Rodon also but when lots happen the minimum expected - in order to maintain control - is to get the initial aggressors. The referee did so. What did you think about the original challenge on Wilson? Borderline red card for the way he launched himself from behind at Wilson with the sole objective of bringing him down. There was also a challenge on Cullen from behind that didn't even result in a free kick when to my mind it should have been a yellow. |
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Post by dai on Nov 21, 2024 14:31:20 GMT
Not referring to any tackles specifically, just talking generally. So "borderline assault" did not apply. There should not be a need to react when it is obvious that the referee is dealing with the matter. We need discipline and emotional intelligence. These fine margins matter. Brennan Johnson will be no good to us if he is suspended. Yes you do need discipline and emotional intelligence, however, like I stated, these players are only human. The challenge on Wilson was a nasty foul which could have badly injured him. It's a normal human reaction to be angry when a colleague, friend etc gets hurt cynically. Dont get me wrong, Brennan has got himself in trouble for completely mindless things like the booking against Turkey, and that's very frustrating, however you cannot expect players to be completely emotionless and non-reactive. Do you sit in the stands without getting angry or frustrated all game? |
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