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Post by toshfan on Sept 11, 2024 10:09:01 GMT
Nations League regulationsWith 6 players having picked up a yellow card in the 1st 2 fixtures, it is worth being aware of the Competition Disciplinary Procedures. If any of these collect another, they will be suspended for 1 match. 58.01 As a rule, a player or a team official sent off the field of play and/or its immediate surroundings, including the technical area, is automatically suspended for the next match in the competition. In the event of a serious offence, the UEFA Control, Ethics and Disciplinary Body is entitled to augment this punishment, including by extending it to other competitions. 58.02 During the league phase, players and team officials are suspended for the next competition match after two cautions and any subsequent even-numbered caution (e.g. fourth, sixth). 58.03 Cautions and pending yellow-card suspensions expire at the end of a team's involvement in the competition. 58.04 For the finals, cautions that have not resulted in a suspension and pending yellow-card suspensions expire on completion of the quarter-finals.
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Post by toshfan on Sept 11, 2024 10:25:27 GMT
The following players have picked up cautions thus far: Wilson, Johnson, Ampadu, Neco, Jordan James, Mepham.
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Post by rangers15 on Sept 11, 2024 11:23:52 GMT
Amapadu and JJ being the biggest concerns... based on the position they play (and how they play) they will pick up another yellow soon. lets hope its not in the same game!
Still annoyed about Ampadu's booking within the first couple of minutes. whilst i can understand it being a yellow for stopping a potential counter attack, as others have mentioned, the lack of cards after that was astonishing.
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Post by 1gwaunview on Sept 11, 2024 11:28:31 GMT
The ref was poor again the other night, just as he was for the Armenia game.
Very inconsistent.
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Post by toshfan on Sept 11, 2024 11:29:26 GMT
Amapadu and JJ being the biggest concerns... based on the position they play (and how they play) they will pick up another yellow soon. lets hope its not in the same game! Still annoyed about Ampadu's booking within the first couple of minutes. whilst i can understand it being a yellow for stopping a potential counter attack, as others have mentioned, the lack of cards after that was astonishing. I agree with all of that. I watched the match with 3 other referees and we were split on the promising attack question. My own view is that a caution for unsporting behaviour could be justified regardless of whether a promising attack was stopped. But the inconsistency of approach from the referee was very disappointing to see. Montenegro got a way with an awful lot. I would expect that the UEFA Observer will have captured this in their report. |
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Post by toshfan on Sept 11, 2024 11:33:28 GMT
The ref was poor again the other night, just as he was for the Armenia game. Very inconsistent. You have a good memory. I had forgotten that he was the Referee against Armenia. I do not remember him being poor that day (maybe because it was such a bad game for Wales) but he had a bad day at the office on Monday. |
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Post by dai on Sept 11, 2024 11:33:34 GMT
Amapadu and JJ being the biggest concerns... based on the position they play (and how they play) they will pick up another yellow soon. lets hope its not in the same game! Still annoyed about Ampadu's booking within the first couple of minutes. whilst i can understand it being a yellow for stopping a potential counter attack, as others have mentioned, the lack of cards after that was astonishing. After like 85 mins, Montenegro had conceded 17 fouls and us 6, then we racked up 4 more. Yet they had 2 yellows to our 4. Its hard to watch the match back without spiking your blood pressure in anger. To awful yellow card tackles on Koumas and Neco in the first half which went unpunished. Neco was also purposely kicked by a winger in the second half, no foul. The ref was either bought or completely useless. Atrocious at any level of football |
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Post by toshfan on Sept 11, 2024 11:35:13 GMT
Also, Dai, the lack of caution for the foul on Cooper just outside the area and, arguably, the foul on Wilson a few seconds before. I could not believe the lack of sanction for the former.
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Post by iot on Sept 11, 2024 12:20:24 GMT
The ref was poor again the other night, just as he was for the Armenia game. Very inconsistent. You have a good memory. I had forgotten that he was the Referee against Armenia. I do not remember him being poor that day (maybe because it was such a bad game for Wales) but he had a bad day at the office on Monday. I really disliked the way he refed both games. It wasn't just that he made bad, completely inconsistent and at times unjustifiable decisions, it was that he seemed to want to make it about him. I don't think it's any surprise that there were so many momentum swings in both matches - a lot of that was to do with the way the games were refed imo. His demeanour also irked - he had a completely unsympathetic approach. Polar opposite from the ref on Friday night, who I thought did a good job. |
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Post by toshfan on Sept 11, 2024 12:26:13 GMT
Polar opposite from the ref on Friday night, who I thought did a good job. I'd say that he was superb. One of the finest Referee performances at the CCS in years. I generally enjoy the firmer application of law from Continental Referees and he is a yardstick in that regard. The cautions that led to the sending off were on the money and, unfortunately for us, his spot of the Johnson unsporting behaviour was hugely impressive from a Refereeing standpoint. Personally, I do not have an expectation of player empathy but I do have an expectation of True Consistency within a game and that is my issue with Monday's referee. |
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Post by dragon64 on Sept 11, 2024 19:05:16 GMT
Polar opposite from the ref on Friday night, who I thought did a good job. I'd say that he was superb. One of the finest Referee performances at the CCS in years. I generally enjoy the firmer application of law from Continental Referees and he is a yardstick in that regard. The cautions that led to the sending off were on the money and, unfortunately for us, his spot of the Johnson unsporting behaviour was hugely impressive from a Refereeing standpoint. Personally, I do not have an expectation of player empathy but I do have an expectation of True Consistency within a game and that is my issue with Monday's referee.This 100% |
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Post by toshfan on Oct 13, 2024 8:19:57 GMT
Danny Ward, Connor Roberts, Jordan James, Brennan Johnson and Kiefer Moore all picked up cautions in the game against Iceland. James and Johnson will miss the game tomorrow evening. Both are huge losses.
I do hope that one lesson from the Nations League thus far is that discipline needs to improve. The 2 cautions from Johnson are unacceptable (I heard more than one person say that the 2nd one was deliberate as we need him against Turkey - I'm not so sure). I'm less frustrated with James as in a physical game, bad tackles will happen. I thought that he was fortunate to avoid a straight red card but the lack of force probably made it more reckless than serious foul play.
With no Amps or Jordan James in the middle and our lack of pace up front, tomorrow's game will be tough. It will be a big test.
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Post by ddirpytnop on Oct 13, 2024 18:45:57 GMT
I thought Brennan was a bit unlucky. It was a natural reaction to someone deliberately trying to wind him up. Should have shown more self control but there's no way he planned it. JJ's yellow card was deserved because it was deliberate foul designed to prevent his opponent gaining possesion in a dangerous area of the field. But there was nothing remotely dangerous about the tackle itself and it was never worthy of a red card
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Post by winsumluzsum on Oct 14, 2024 7:35:39 GMT
But why knock the ball out of his opponent's hand when we're two nil up? A stupid needless provocation.
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Post by winsumluzsum on Oct 14, 2024 7:37:33 GMT
I thought Brennan was a bit unlucky. It was a natural reaction to someone deliberately trying to wind him up. Should have shown more self control but there's no way he planned it. JJ's yellow card was deserved because it was deliberate foul designed to prevent his opponent gaining possesion in a dangerous area of the field. But there was nothing remotely dangerous about the tackle itself and it was never worthy of a red card James caught his opponent on the inside of the leg with his studs. I agree it didn't merit a red card because of the lack of force, but some refs might have dished out a red card. Not a clever challenge. |
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Post by johnoster on Oct 14, 2024 9:27:28 GMT
Are Montenegro missing any players due to suspension?
Looks like Brnovic and Osmajic. Both came off the bench against Turkey and got their second yellow cards of the tournament.
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Post by toshfan on Oct 14, 2024 13:10:10 GMT
Are Montenegro missing any players due to suspension? Looks like Brnovic and Osmajic. Both came off the bench against Turkey and got their second yellow cards of the tournament. I confess that I have not monitored this but it is true that this strict provision of 2 cautions leading to a suspension will hit other sides too. I will keep a tighter eye on this when the World Cup qualifiers begin. But what makes this thread so important is that the previous World Cup Qualifier regulations stated: "If a player receives two cautions in two different matches, he will be automatically suspended from his team’s subsequent match." |
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Post by johnoster on Oct 14, 2024 13:19:59 GMT
Thanks Toshfan.
Not looking to derail your thread, but it seems that Osmajic was the guy who got an 8 game domestic ban for biting Owen Beck.
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Post by rushy on Oct 14, 2024 16:39:37 GMT
Two yellows and a ban is serious for us, as tonight shows, many cautions are plain needless.
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Post by toshfan on Oct 15, 2024 9:21:16 GMT
No cautions at all last night. Get in!
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Post by surge on Oct 15, 2024 9:32:22 GMT
No cautions at all last night. Get in! What did you think of the ref last night, Toshfan? |
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Post by toshfan on Oct 15, 2024 9:35:33 GMT
No cautions at all last night. Get in! What did you think of the ref last night, Toshfan? I thought that he was fine, though Montenegro will be very unhappy with the penalty. When I saw it in real time, I thought penalty. It is not so clear with the benefit of a replay. He was firm with Montenegro players when required. On the whole it was a normal game whereas the Turkey game was challenging which made the performance of that referee one of the best in many years. |
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Post by surge on Oct 15, 2024 9:50:46 GMT
What did you think of the ref last night, Toshfan? I thought that he was fine, though Montenegro will be very unhappy with the penalty. When I saw it in real time, I thought penalty. It is not so clear with the benefit of a replay. He was firm with Montenegro players when required. On the whole it was a normal game whereas the Turkey game was challenging which made the performance of that referee one of the best in many years. Thank you, always good to get your (and others with referee grounding) opinion on these things. I couldn't see what potentially led to VAR check on penalty in the ground so will need another look. |
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Post by johnoster on Oct 15, 2024 10:35:21 GMT
According to my calculations, only Kenan Yildiz will be suspended for our game against Turkey.
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Post by toshfan on Nov 20, 2024 13:05:23 GMT
I am unable to find the World Cup Regulations but as I indicated above previous World Cup Qualifier regulations stated:
"If a player receives two cautions in two different matches, he will be automatically suspended from his team’s subsequent match."
Brennan Johnson picked up 4 cautions during this round of Nations League fixtures. All of these were very poor ones to pick up. Last night for example, the referee was on the verge of cautioning an Icelandic player for an infringement and rather than let him get on with it, Johnson got involved. There was no need.
Discipline is hugely important.
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Post by winsumluzsum on Nov 20, 2024 13:09:12 GMT
Yeah, he should have stayed out of things, although I don't think he did much that warranted a yellow card. Rodon was far more aggressive, and he was on a yellow for dissent from the Turkiye game. A bit more self-discipline required.
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Post by toshfan on Nov 20, 2024 14:08:52 GMT
Yeah, he should have stayed out of things, although I don't think he did much that warranted a yellow card. Rodon was far more aggressive, and he was on a yellow for dissent from the Turkiye game. A bit more self-discipline required. Brennan Johnson adopted an aggressive attitude and, I think, pushed his opponent. A clear C1 Unsporting Behaviour. |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Nov 20, 2024 14:16:27 GMT
He was first to get involved which is probably why he was carded. But Rodon was more aggressive. Players need to learn to control themselves better, as they know what's coming.
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Post by morg on Nov 20, 2024 14:26:59 GMT
4 bookings in 5 NL games. Joint top for bookings in the tournament. Usually needless. Noticed even Danny Ward trying to warn him off last night. Would have missed first play off if results had been different. Sorba had a needless one late on too.
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Post by jimexotic on Nov 20, 2024 14:35:25 GMT
Some of the yellows we've had shouldn't have been given, the one on Sorba last night was a bit much, one of their players wiped out Cullen last night, from behind, with no attempt to play the ball, that could have easily been a red if you go by the law, a slide tackle from behind that's late.
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