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Post by tai33stashon on Aug 29, 2010 10:43:32 GMT
letiser would of bn CLASS for us end of the day wear all BRItish THREE LIONS so who cares?
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Post by ericyoung on Aug 29, 2010 11:10:37 GMT
What?? Anyway, does anyone know if Collison has actually been capped competitively for us yet? If not, get a move on Tosh!!
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Post by saints19 on Aug 29, 2010 11:37:44 GMT
Collison could still play for England. He has 6 or 7 caps, but all in friendlies. However, at present, I don't see England calling him up and if they do I can't see Collison accepting, it would farcical for a guy who has several caps for one country to turn out for another.
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Post by llannerch on Aug 31, 2010 21:56:28 GMT
i never realised how many welsh player were schooled in england. a few to add to the ones with welsh grannies Yet most people on this and the DS board are in favour of the schooling rule  |
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Post by marsvolta on Aug 31, 2010 22:58:07 GMT
i never realised how many welsh player were schooled in england. a few to add to the ones with welsh grannies Yet most people on this and the DS board are in favour of the schooling rule ive got a feeling this schooling rule is going to come back and bite us.since this rule has come in,all we've done is gain a championship defender who tosh has already left out of the squad 2 or 3 times.scotland pushed the rule through to get driver to play for them and then found out that he still wasnt eligible.the only other player knocking around is ryan shawcross who's as popular with the welsh fans as a fart in a chilean mine. i can see us losing a top player who has moved to manchester or london aged 11 to sign for a top club and therefore schooled there.(dont forget that this rule would have meant giggs could play for england) i really dont believe there is much to be gained for us in this rule. on the subject of shawcross,i think its funny that he snubbed wales cos his head was turned (by tony pulis of all people) that he could be going to the world cup,only to find that capello preferred an injury prone player that cannot even train then dug a one paced carthorse out of retirement instead.thats not counting the fact that the likes of upson were already ahead of him and when they got an injury,dawson got called up.now gary cahill is getting the nod,i cant see the need for shawcross to keep his mobile on when the england squad gets announced,ha ha. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2010 0:32:04 GMT
Yet most people on this and the DS board are in favour of the schooling rule ive got a feeling this schooling rule is going to come back and bite us.since this rule has come in,all we've done is gain a championship defender who tosh has already left out of the squad 2 or 3 times.scotland pushed the rule through to get driver to play for them and then found out that he still wasnt eligible.the only other player knocking around is ryan shawcross who's as popular with the welsh fans as a fart in a chilean mine. i can see us losing a top player who has moved to manchester or london aged 11 to sign for a top club and therefore schooled there.(dont forget that this rule would have meant giggs could play for england) i really dont believe there is much to be gained for us in this rule. on the subject of shawcross,i think its funny that he snubbed wales cos his head was turned (by tony pulis of all people) that he could be going to the world cup,only to find that capello preferred an injury prone player that cannot even train then dug a one paced carthorse out of retirement instead.thats not counting the fact that the likes of upson were already ahead of him and when they got an injury,dawson got called up.now gary cahill is getting the nod,i cant see the need for shawcross to keep his mobile on when the england squad gets announced,ha ha. Then they would be players who did not want to play for us and would rather play for England. No loss in my view. |
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Post by llannerch on Sept 1, 2010 11:23:58 GMT
Surely:
the more dilutedor varied the eligibility criteria
= the more tenuous Wales's footballing independence ?
In which case tai33stashon is right, we may as wel all line upp beehind teh THREE LIONS cus wer'e al British
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Post by marsvolta on Sept 1, 2010 22:27:09 GMT
Surely: the more dilutedor varied the eligibility criteria = the more tenuous Wales's footballing independence ? In which case tai33stashon is right, we may as wel all line upp beehind teh THREE LIONS cus wer'e al British i think we all get a bit carried away when a foreign player gets a british passport. as i said in a previous thread,there has been no mention from any 'foreign' player who has played in england for 5 years that he would like to play for wales nor has the welsh fa or any of the management team said they are considering asking any 'foreign' players to play but for some reason we all start saying that its a disgrace that arteta,almunia,n'zogbia,etc might be playing for wales. in fact,i'm struggling to think of any foreign player who has ended up playing for any of the home nations after moving to britain for the sole reason that he got transferred to a british club. seriously,has it ever happened?? i dont mean players like john barnes or jeremy goss and all,i mean someone who has moved here in his 20s to play football,stayed 5 years,got a british passport and then chose which one of the four home nations to play for. if it turns out that it has never,ever happened i think we can stop panicking for the moment. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2010 23:25:38 GMT
Surely: the more dilutedor varied the eligibility criteria = the more tenuous Wales's footballing independence ? In which case tai33stashon is right, we may as wel all line upp beehind teh THREE LIONS cus wer'e al British i think we all get a bit carried away when a foreign player gets a british passport. as i said in a previous thread,there has been no mention from any 'foreign' player who has played in england for 5 years that he would like to play for wales nor has the welsh fa or any of the management team said they are considering asking any 'foreign' players to play but for some reason we all start saying that its a disgrace that arteta,almunia,n'zogbia,etc might be playing for wales. in fact,i'm struggling to think of any foreign player who has ended up playing for any of the home nations after moving to britain for the sole reason that he got transferred to a british club. seriously,has it ever happened?? i dont mean players like john barnes or jeremy goss and all,i mean someone who has moved here in his 20s to play football,stayed 5 years,got a british passport and then chose which one of the four home nations to play for. if it turns out that it has never,ever happened i think we can stop panicking for the moment. Thats because its a relatively modern phenomenon and will become more commonplace with the foreign influence in the prem. Im surprised its not happened sooner since foreigners have been packing out the prem clubs since roughly 96/97. Almunia, Arteta...I expect it will be more of an issue in future and we need to decide which side of the fence we are on. Interestingly, the debate amongst the English on the 606 board is not whether Arteta should be allowed to play for England, its whether he is good enough for England. Its all about opinions I guess. |
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Post by marsvolta on Sept 1, 2010 23:33:19 GMT
i think we all get a bit carried away when a foreign player gets a british passport. as i said in a previous thread,there has been no mention from any 'foreign' player who has played in england for 5 years that he would like to play for wales nor has the welsh fa or any of the management team said they are considering asking any 'foreign' players to play but for some reason we all start saying that its a disgrace that arteta,almunia,n'zogbia,etc might be playing for wales. in fact,i'm struggling to think of any foreign player who has ended up playing for any of the home nations after moving to britain for the sole reason that he got transferred to a british club. seriously,has it ever happened?? i dont mean players like john barnes or jeremy goss and all,i mean someone who has moved here in his 20s to play football,stayed 5 years,got a british passport and then chose which one of the four home nations to play for. if it turns out that it has never,ever happened i think we can stop panicking for the moment. Thats because its a relatively modern phenomenon and will become more commonplace with the foreign influence in the prem. Im surprised its not happened sooner since foreigners have been packing out the prem clubs since roughly 96/97. Almunia, Arteta...I expect it will be more of an issue in future and we need to decide which side of the fence we are on. Interestingly, the debate amongst the English on the 606 board is not whether Arteta should be allowed to play for England, its whether he is good enough for England. Its all about opinions I guess. the other point people seem to ignore is that it is very unlikely that almunia and arteta would choose us over england anyway. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2010 0:28:55 GMT
Thats because its a relatively modern phenomenon and will become more commonplace with the foreign influence in the prem. Im surprised its not happened sooner since foreigners have been packing out the prem clubs since roughly 96/97. Almunia, Arteta...I expect it will be more of an issue in future and we need to decide which side of the fence we are on. Interestingly, the debate amongst the English on the 606 board is not whether Arteta should be allowed to play for England, its whether he is good enough for England. Its all about opinions I guess. the other point people seem to ignore is that it is very unlikely that almunia and arteta would choose us over england anyway. Yes that is true, but what I am driving at is I would like to see players who may, say, move to cardiff at 20 odd, stay there over 5 years and then want to play for wales to have the opportunity- so long as they actually want to. If you pay into a countries economy for a long time then hell, shouldnt you have that right to claim a passport from that country? Note I said as long as they actually WANT to. So Im not really advocating a find a foreigner to join us at all costs approach. If people want to play for us as they feel part of Wales having lived there for x number of years. Then I am all for it. Just my opinion on the matter. |
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Post by cilmeri on Sept 2, 2010 9:36:12 GMT
Anyone see the latest on Arteta? Not eligible as he didn't have a UK passport when he played U21s or whatever for Spain. Interesting twist to the saga that could affect us in future with other possible players, but I doubt it!
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