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Post by vvm on Feb 15, 2024 14:42:38 GMT
Moving to a summer league would improve attendances. Local fans are way more likely to attend local games when they can have a beer in the sun rather than hunkering down in the cold, dark nights of winter. We won't be competing with the English leagues for spectators either.
Media coverage needs to improve, it can be tough to even find the scores sometimes. A Welsh match of the day on S4C maybe?
I don't think the structure of the Cymru Premier is too bad, almost every team has something to play for right through the season. The Cyrmu North/South feel like they're basically all decided by Christmas with only one promotion spot.
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Post by gimli on Feb 15, 2024 14:53:31 GMT
The FAW need to prioritise the proper clubs that have actual fanbases and engage with their local communities like Colwyn Bay, Caernarfon, Barry etc. They need to do whatever they're legally able to do to replace the likes of Connah's Quay, TNS and Cardiff Met, who offer nothing to the league, with proper clubs from further down the pyramid like Bangor, Rhyl, Llanelli, Carmarthen etc.
These soulless teams have been clogging up the league for too long now and have shown no sign of improving their gates or of building any fanbase whatsoever. I saw an interaction on Twitter the other day when TNS thought they'd beaten the Guinness World Record where Mike Harris basically said football isn't about the fans, it's about the players and the staff. He's clueless and out of touch. The sooner we get rid of TNS the better. I'd rather a lower quality, fully semi-pro league, than than have this artificial team dominate year on year, suffocating the rest of the league and blocking any other clubs from developing naturally.
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Post by surge on Feb 15, 2024 17:00:56 GMT
There is some precedent to League's relegating/promoting club with the English FA promoting Man City's women and relegating Doncaster...but it was wrong then and it would be wrong now. If you can't swap positions in a couple of years with greater fan number and greater facilities, then you shouldn't have the spot handed to you.
There is a Cymru football app which makes it as easy as possible for those with smart phones to follow the league and S4C do really good work.
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Post by zserty on Feb 15, 2024 18:49:00 GMT
The Cyrmu North/South feel like they're basically all decided by Christmas with only one promotion spot. Both look pretty close this year, both could go right to the wire. In the south Ferry and Llanelli play on the last day in what could be a winner takes all.
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Post by aberbeeg on Feb 15, 2024 22:50:06 GMT
It’s a sad indictment that most posts now seem to agree that the league is really struggling and by the sound of most replies it’s probably heading backwards.
SOS to the FAW and Mooney
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Post by derynglas on Feb 15, 2024 23:55:38 GMT
On a positive note,we have a club in the final of the Scottish challenge cup. Will Evans scoring goals for fun in league 2,the most non pen goals in the top 4 divisions, will probably go higher,think we might have found one there. The C international at Stebo next month will no doubt again show our players are on a par with the National league,with a 4-0 win,a draw and 2 narrow defeats in the series. Last year Airbus finished on negative points,relegated at Christmas,will be quite a battle this year against relegation and for the play off place,the league is a bit stronger all round this season from what ive seen.
So i dont share the view its going backwards or stagnating but i do share the frustration at the seeming lack of info at the so called road map for the league. Ive been lobbying for a bigger league since about 2012.An increase to 14 would be a great start, nearly happened after the covid curtailed season but the idea was nobbled for some reson. As we saw with Colwyn Bay who swept all before them in the Cymru north but have struggled, its quite a step up to the top divisio.Alot of people would like to see Colwyn stay up but clubs often go straight back down. A bigger league would give clubs more of a chance to stabilise and stay there for much longer.
Im not a fan of the north/south split mooted for the first phase if we went to 16, its a national league ,not a regional league,and you should have to play all the clubs to be champions. Travel problems have been over hyped since 1992,we started off with 20 clubs and 38 games. Has it become more difficult to travel from north to south and vice versa in the meantime? Colwyn Bay had to make 23 trips into the north of England before,their travel has decreased dramatically.Its a nonsense IMO and has always been used by oponents of the league.
In the south,a resurgent Llanelli could again become a force to be reckoned with, if they can overhaul Briton Ferry this this season. So yes,over to the FAW.Weve all heard the promises.
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Post by zserty on Feb 16, 2024 7:40:10 GMT
Some good points. Although im not sure too many on here would class TNS as one of our clubs haha.
In regard to teams coming up there is a big financial barrier to the Prem having spoken to some in the Cymru south they have the view that promotion could be financially detrimental to the club as their costs would go up tenfold yet their income would not (even going as far as to say they either wouldnt apply for the licence or would fail it).
Think no matter what the ideas people on here just want the league to improve and succeed and realistically there need to be some meaningful changes if that is to be the case.
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Post by vvm on Feb 16, 2024 15:23:30 GMT
faw.cymru/news/faw-to-invest-over-6million-into-jd-cymru-premier/Think somebody has been listening to us. Noel Mooney, FAW CEO, said: “A huge amount of work has gone into the consultation process of formulating the JD Cymru Premier strategy. We are very excited to reveal our timelines for fundamental change to raise the profile of our top-flight league. “This is significant funding and the biggest commitment to the JD Cymru Premier in its 32-year history." Sounds promising, hopefully there are a few drastic changes they intend to implement.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Feb 16, 2024 20:55:54 GMT
faw.cymru/news/faw-to-invest-over-6million-into-jd-cymru-premier/Think somebody has been listening to us. Noel Mooney, FAW CEO, said: “A huge amount of work has gone into the consultation process of formulating the JD Cymru Premier strategy. We are very excited to reveal our timelines for fundamental change to raise the profile of our top-flight league. “This is significant funding and the biggest commitment to the JD Cymru Premier in its 32-year history." Sounds promising, hopefully there are a few drastic changes they intend to implement. This is brilliant news, let's hope the funding is put into the right areas.
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Post by zserty on Feb 16, 2024 22:01:14 GMT
Maybe they can up the prize money for places 2nd to 12th. The league is pretty much never going to improve untill TNS are denied top.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Feb 16, 2024 22:10:17 GMT
Maybe they can up the prize money for places 2nd to 12th. The league is pretty much never going to improve untill TNS are denied top. Hope that wanker Mike Harris doesn't see a penny.
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Post by zserty on Feb 16, 2024 22:34:33 GMT
Maybe they can up the prize money for places 2nd to 12th. The league is pretty much never going to improve untill TNS are denied top. Hope that wanker Mike Harris doesn't see a penny. That would be nice too haha, dont be too mean though their 4 fans will be after you.
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Post by robin1864 on Feb 20, 2024 11:57:10 GMT
Facility improvement grants, a summer league to prolong the quality & life of those improvements and a shared, centralised administrative function to reduce overheads would be a start.
It's the biggest scandal in our system that second-division clubs must seriously consider if promotion is financially worth it.
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Post by zserty on Feb 22, 2024 13:27:44 GMT
Facility improvement grants, a summer league to prolong the quality & life of those improvements and a shared, centralised administrative function to reduce overheads would be a start. It's the biggest scandal in our system that second-division clubs must seriously consider if promotion is financially worth it. Im desperate to see where this £6m goes, some clubs are barely scraping by. This might not be popular with some but I'd like to see the leagues moved to the summer and grass pitches reinstated. Some of the 4g pitches are a bit of a farce.
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Post by welshrover on Feb 24, 2024 0:23:56 GMT
Here we go again,
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Post by zserty on Feb 24, 2024 12:50:58 GMT
From Mooneys recent tweets it seems the vast majority of the money will be spent in trying to bring in VAR. What is the point? Our league is so far behind and thatbis not down to not having var. Pathetic stuff.
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Post by vvm on Feb 27, 2024 11:23:03 GMT
From Mooneys recent tweets it seems the vast majority of the money will be spent in trying to bring in VAR. What is the point? Our league is so far behind and thatbis not down to not having var. Pathetic stuff. Oh Christ, seriously?!
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Post by zserty on Feb 28, 2024 0:19:51 GMT
From Mooneys recent tweets it seems the vast majority of the money will be spent in trying to bring in VAR. What is the point? Our league is so far behind and thatbis not down to not having var. Pathetic stuff. Oh Christ, seriously?! Interpret it for yourself but this is what he said "the vast majority of countries in Europe’s now have VAR … or atleast a light version that identifies clear errors … for example Estonia, Latvia & Lithuania have recently introduced… for our match officials also to progress they need to experience VAR so whenever We introduce, it will be to develop our match officials who are important stakeholders. Equally, will link with our TV production to improve the product."
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Post by surge on Feb 28, 2024 6:57:15 GMT
Interpret it for yourself but this is what he said "the vast majority of countries in Europe’s now have VAR … or atleast a light version that identifies clear errors … for example Estonia, Latvia & Lithuania have recently introduced… for our match officials also to progress they need to experience VAR so whenever We introduce, it will be to develop our match officials who are important stakeholders. Equally, will link with our TV production to improve the product." TBF, it's a sensible point to make. We don't have a game without refs and so there needs to be investment in the referee department as well. Not sure this is the investment I would think of but will allow others to debate that. Warren Gatland's point about investment into infrastructure and systems first is one which the Cymru leagues could also take notice of.
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Post by zserty on Feb 28, 2024 21:31:06 GMT
Interpret it for yourself but this is what he said "the vast majority of countries in Europe’s now have VAR … or atleast a light version that identifies clear errors … for example Estonia, Latvia & Lithuania have recently introduced… for our match officials also to progress they need to experience VAR so whenever We introduce, it will be to develop our match officials who are important stakeholders. Equally, will link with our TV production to improve the product." TBF, it's a sensible point to make. We don't have a game without refs and so there needs to be investment in the referee department as well. Not sure this is the investment I would think of but will allow others to debate that. Warren Gatland's point about investment into infrastructure and systems first is one which the Cymru leagues could also take notice of. But does it tackle the main problems with the league. Mainly structure and team expenditure. When the top flight have less fans through the gate than North/South games surely thats a sign that it is broken. Add to that the fact that a lot of teams don't want to get promoted out of the 2nd tier. Var isnt a fix for that unfortunately.
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Post by aberbeeg on Feb 29, 2024 8:54:09 GMT
I don’t think VAR is suddenly going to increase the quality of the league or bring more fans through the gates. Rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic springs to mind.
The league has been fundamentally flawed/broken for years yet very little seems to have changed.
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Post by surge on Feb 29, 2024 9:01:31 GMT
Know we're biased on this site and speak predominantly from a fans perspective but we're not the only ones involved. We need to invest in referees as well.
It seems unlikely that after such a detailed consultation period that there is one answer. We probably should wait and see what happens.
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Post by zserty on Feb 29, 2024 14:09:41 GMT
Know we're biased on this site and speak predominantly from a fans perspective but we're not the only ones involved. We need to invest in referees as well. I've got at least another year of Cymru south to enjoy so im not too bothered. Got no desire for the club to go up at the minute.
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Post by CrackityJones on Mar 19, 2024 21:41:46 GMT
Great win for Cymru C tonight. Crackin start to a week of International football
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Post by surge on Mar 19, 2024 21:43:02 GMT
Great win for Cymru C tonight. Crackin start to a week of International football Fantastic outcome. Maybe a few League Two teams keeping an eye on proceedings?
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Post by CrackityJones on Mar 19, 2024 21:47:31 GMT
No doubt. Bradley and Absalom the stand outs
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Post by surge on Mar 19, 2024 22:14:30 GMT
Sion Bradley's free-kick is reminding me of Kavangah against Leeds United so many years ago.
Not sure Kav fixed his hair after celebrating mind!!
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 19, 2024 22:33:53 GMT
Caught the 2nd half, great result! Sion Bradley certainly had a lot of energy and seemed to be the danger man, just lacking quality at times, but obviously showed quality for his brilliant goal. Just goes to show the Cymru Premier is at the very least on a par with the National League, and I hope that means League Two clubs continue to look to pick up players from the Cymru Prem
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Post by rncfc on Mar 20, 2024 17:48:11 GMT
I'll try and get over for the Welsh Cup final this year seeing as it's in Newport. As a County fan my views on the WPL are obviously clouded somewhat, but I personally think the league just needs to be clear on what it's role is.
Unless the big Welsh sides are forced to join it would be better served as a feeder for the English system, and the Welsh clubs in it. If the clubs had an aim of delivering players to the Welsh EFL clubs, and everyone was behind that goal, surely it would be better for the national side?
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Post by zserty on Mar 20, 2024 18:53:03 GMT
I'll try and get over for the Welsh Cup final this year seeing as it's in Newport. As a County fan my views on the WPL are obviously clouded somewhat, but I personally think the league just needs to be clear on what it's role is. Unless the big Welsh sides are forced to join it would be better served as a feeder for the English system, and the Welsh clubs in it. If the clubs had an aim of delivering players to the Welsh EFL clubs, and everyone was behind that goal, surely it would be better for the national side? To become a feeder league would make the leagues even worse than they already are. Nobody would be bothered about watching English teams reserves (just as nobody watches their respective U21 sides). The leagues need work, but as this week has shown they can hold their own Vs National league opposition and thats without any of the TNS players.
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