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Post by quetzal on Nov 5, 2020 15:59:23 GMT
Geordies make lousy Welshmen. He’s from Northampton so not a Geordie. Dummett was a disaster though
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Post by mortillsy on Nov 5, 2020 16:13:45 GMT
Article posted on DS of Darlow interview with the daily mail saying that it’s his dream to get an England call up, and that he’s turned down Wales twice to keep open the possibility of achieving this dream For anyone that still thinks we should pursue him I think this clears things up. Whether he does or doesn’t play for them he clearly doesn’t fit into our ethos of being passionate for Cymru, and he clearly feels English. More power to him, we can move on Well that’s that then!! ... good luck to him. |
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Post by alarch on Nov 5, 2020 17:08:54 GMT
Article posted on DS of Darlow interview with the daily mail saying that it’s his dream to get an England call up, and that he’s turned down Wales twice to keep open the possibility of achieving this dream For anyone that still thinks we should pursue him I think this clears things up. Whether he does or doesn’t play for them he clearly doesn’t fit into our ethos of being passionate for Cymru, and he clearly feels English. More power to him, we can move on I agree, although can you say if that article is a recent one? |
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Post by dai on Nov 5, 2020 17:15:38 GMT
Well let's be realistic here, do we honestly believe that players like Ashley Williams, Chester, Moore, Steve Morrison, HRK etc haven't had dreams about playing for England? They all have been brought up as English.
In regards to Darlow, ship has sailed I think. Up to him to make himself available instead of chasing.
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Post by alarch on Nov 5, 2020 17:31:58 GMT
Well let's be realistic here, do we honestly believe that players like Ashley Williams, Chester, Moore, Steve Morrison, HRK etc haven't had dreams about playing for England? They all have been brought up as English. In regards to Darlow, ship has sailed I think. Up to him to make himself available instead of chasing. I agree, but I'm curious to know if that's a recent interview. Even if he had a change of heart it would still be tricky to select him if he's made unequivocal statements about wanting to represent England. |
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Post by wxmjames on Nov 5, 2020 17:49:58 GMT
Well let's be realistic here, do we honestly believe that players like Ashley Williams, Chester, Moore, Steve Morrison, HRK etc haven't had dreams about playing for England? They all have been brought up as English. In regards to Darlow, ship has sailed I think. Up to him to make himself available instead of chasing. I agree, but I'm curious to know if that's a recent interview. Even if he had a change of heart it would still be tricky to select him if he's made unequivocal statements about wanting to represent England. Dated yesterday so it is very recent it seems. Feels English, so I don't blame him for turning us down. Good luck to him |
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Post by caeboy on Nov 5, 2020 17:52:12 GMT
Have some dignity! He doesn't want to play for players, so stop asking him! We don't need another Dummett.
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Post by marsvolta on Nov 5, 2020 18:41:50 GMT
Have some dignity! He doesn't want to play for players, so stop asking him! We don't need another Dummett. We don’t need to stop asking him because as far as we know we haven’t kept asking him. As far as been reported, we asked him when he was 23 and again when we had a new manager but that’s it. Just because social media and apostle forums have been calling for him to be picked doesn’t mean the FAW keep asking him. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 5, 2020 19:18:51 GMT
Have some dignity! He doesn't want to play for players, so stop asking him! We don't need another Dummett. We don’t need to stop asking him because as far as we know we haven’t kept asking him. As far as been reported, we asked him when he was 23 and again when we had a new manager but that’s it. Just because social media and apostle forums have been calling for him to be picked doesn’t mean the FAW keep asking him. Yeah I'm pretty sure Giggs made contact with every man and his dog to see if they wanted to play under him. Ended up bringing Dummett back into the fold for a bit and finding a few like Moore & Vaulks, but Darlow said no. That's it & this most recent interview just confirms the view. Honestly he's closer than ever to an England call as well so if anything he'll be more and more against it now than he was back then |
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Post by dylanjunecymru on Mar 22, 2021 12:50:05 GMT
David ornestein reporting that he hasn’t shut the door on wales. And another reporter Chris Waugh saying that he may consider switching his allegiance to wales. If true, that could be big he’s a quality keeper and would be great if he wants to play for us.
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Post by gimli on Mar 22, 2021 13:02:15 GMT
David ornestein reporting that he hasn’t shut the door on wales. And another reporter Chris Waugh saying that he may consider switching his allegiance to wales. If true, that could be big he’s a quality keeper and would be great if he wants to play for us. No thanks. Never had a problem with him turning us down in the past if he feels English - that's fair enough, good for him - but if he now wants to switch just because an England call up doesn't look like it'll ever come for him then he can jog on. |
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Post by vaulksthrowfanclub on Mar 22, 2021 13:12:13 GMT
David ornestein reporting that he hasn’t shut the door on wales. And another reporter Chris Waugh saying that he may consider switching his allegiance to wales. If true, that could be big he’s a quality keeper and would be great if he wants to play for us. Not for me. 10000% no. The lad has rejected us numerous times and we are clearly his ‘back-up option’ after his 15 minutes of form has ended. If he wanted to play for us, he wouldn’t have rejected us. I believe he stated that he was ‘concentrating on being a starter for his club’ as the reason he rejected us (one of the several times) yet when he was starting for Newcastle in the November when we had a huge GK crisis, he was holding out for England. Saying what Darlow is, is a ploy to scare Southgate to cap him. Darlow will never be capped by anyone (hopefully not by us at any rate). |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 22, 2021 13:31:39 GMT
It's a no from me. He said he feels English & that it would be his proudest moment to get an England cap. As mentioned above, he has turned us down on multiple occasions to pursue this and I've backed him all the way on that if he feels English. He clearly doesn't feel Welsh and just sees us as an option for international football if all else fails. Not the type of player we should be bringing in at this point
Danny Ward & Adam Davies have travelled with us on many occasions throughout their career knowing that they are unlikely to play. They've done this because they're committed & they deserve to play when Hennessey finishes (unless a younger player comes through)
Respect to Darlow, I think he's a good keeper and would probably be our best keeper if he were committed. But he isn't so I wouldn't want him
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Post by insertname on Mar 22, 2021 13:31:46 GMT
David ornestein reporting that he hasn’t shut the door on wales. And another reporter Chris Waugh saying that he may consider switching his allegiance to wales. If true, that could be big he’s a quality keeper and would be great if he wants to play for us. Not for me. 10000% no. The lad has rejected us numerous times and we are clearly his ‘back-up option’ after his 15 minutes of form has ended. If he wanted to play for us, he wouldn’t have rejected us. I believe he stated that he was ‘concentrating on being a starter for his club’ as the reason he rejected us (one of the several times) yet when he was starting for Newcastle in the November when we had a huge GK crisis, he was holding out for England. Saying what Darlow is, is a ploy to scare Southgate to cap him. Darlow will never be capped by anyone (hopefully not by us at any rate). Good point. To me it reads like sensing which way the wind is blowing and thinking he could get a Euros appearance and be in a big shop window. But of course you are right that he could also be leveraging a chance to play for England too, although that is probably very wishful thinking with the greater options they have. |
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Post by vaulksthrowfanclub on Mar 22, 2021 13:40:10 GMT
Not for me. 10000% no. The lad has rejected us numerous times and we are clearly his ‘back-up option’ after his 15 minutes of form has ended. If he wanted to play for us, he wouldn’t have rejected us. I believe he stated that he was ‘concentrating on being a starter for his club’ as the reason he rejected us (one of the several times) yet when he was starting for Newcastle in the November when we had a huge GK crisis, he was holding out for England. Saying what Darlow is, is a ploy to scare Southgate to cap him. Darlow will never be capped by anyone (hopefully not by us at any rate). Good point. To me it reads like sensing which way the wind is blowing and thinking he could get a Euros appearance and be in a big shop window. But of course you are right that he could also be leveraging a chance to play for England too, although that is probably very wishful thinking with the greater options they have. 100% opportunistic bugger. Like Che Adams and Scotland. Would he have committed to them if they hadn’t qualified? He’d rejected them numerous times before. I’d feel dreadful if we were to lower ourselves to picking the Dum*etts of the world again! I’d argue Danny Ward (even Hennessey) is a better keeper anyway. . |
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Post by insertname on Mar 22, 2021 14:11:24 GMT
Good point. To me it reads like sensing which way the wind is blowing and thinking he could get a Euros appearance and be in a big shop window. But of course you are right that he could also be leveraging a chance to play for England too, although that is probably very wishful thinking with the greater options they have. 100% opportunistic bugger. Like Che Adams and Scotland. Would he have committed to them if they hadn’t qualified? He’d rejected them numerous times before. I’d feel dreadful if we were to lower ourselves to picking the Dum*etts of the world again! I’d argue Danny Ward (even Hennessey) is a better keeper anyway. . I totally agree with the principle but I feel that we’re in a tricky spot with the keeper situation. Having a solid keeper with a good future playing regular football is the corner stone of an international team short of resources such as a strong domestic league. Given that the next taxi off the rank after Hennessy (Ward) seems to have no appetite to play first team football I don’t see any problem in under cutting his international place. So in some ways I feel we could use Darlow in the same way he would undoubtedly wish to use us. I guess the issue to my mind is whether he would still commit to international football after the Euros and if we fell back into the doldrums of the Tosh years. It’s tricky. |
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Post by vaulksthrowfanclub on Mar 22, 2021 14:22:38 GMT
100% opportunistic bugger. Like Che Adams and Scotland. Would he have committed to them if they hadn’t qualified? He’d rejected them numerous times before. I’d feel dreadful if we were to lower ourselves to picking the Dum*etts of the world again! I’d argue Danny Ward (even Hennessey) is a better keeper anyway. . I totally agree with the principle but I feel that we’re in a tricky spot with the keeper situation. Having a solid keeper with a good future playing regular football is the corner stone of an international team short of resources such as a strong domestic league. Given that the next taxi off the rank after Hennessy (Ward) seems to have no appetite to play first team football I don’t see any problem in under cutting his international place. So in some ways I feel we could use Darlow in the same way he would undoubtedly wish to use us. I guess the issue to my mind is whether he would still commit to international football after the Euros and if we fell back into the doldrums of the Tosh years. It’s tricky. I’d just rather give a Welsh cap to a Welshman rather than an Englishman like Darlow. Both Ward and Davies are younger, and Davies looks to be Stoke’s no.1 again. Pre Dubravka’s injury, I’d have said Darlow was happy enough being no.2 at Newcastle similarly to Ward. Unfortunately for Ward Schmeichel’s a cyborg so doesn’t get injured. Darlow did have a good 3 months, but that’s all he really has had. He has now been dropped for Dubravka. Just a shame, as you say that Ward isn’t playing- otherwise the ‘Darlow for Wales’ subject wouldn’t crop up! |
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Post by insertname on Mar 22, 2021 14:46:15 GMT
I totally agree with the principle but I feel that we’re in a tricky spot with the keeper situation. Having a solid keeper with a good future playing regular football is the corner stone of an international team short of resources such as a strong domestic league. Given that the next taxi off the rank after Hennessy (Ward) seems to have no appetite to play first team football I don’t see any problem in under cutting his international place. So in some ways I feel we could use Darlow in the same way he would undoubtedly wish to use us. I guess the issue to my mind is whether he would still commit to international football after the Euros and if we fell back into the doldrums of the Tosh years. It’s tricky. I’d just rather give a Welsh cap to a Welshman rather than an Englishman like Darlow. Both Ward and Davies are younger, and Davies looks to be Stoke’s no.1 again. Pre Dubravka’s injury, I’d have said Darlow was happy enough being no.2 at Newcastle similarly to Ward. Unfortunately for Ward Schmeichel’s a cyborg so doesn’t get injured. Darlow did have a good 3 months, but that’s all he really has had. He has now been dropped for Dubravka. Just a shame, as you say that Ward isn’t playing- otherwise the ‘Darlow for Wales’ subject wouldn’t crop up! Ah I didn’t realise he’d been dropped. Okay that muddies the waters. If we had someone willing to commit who had a solid record of being number 1, especially at a premiership club, then for me that needs serious consideration even if they have previously turned us down. We should be learning from the likes of Moore and Chester that inspiration can come from the strangest of places and have profound effects in a way that mutually benefits us and the player even if they have something of a rather unorthodox claim to represent Wales. But having said all that if all we are doing is swapping one prem sub for another than there seems little gain there. I guess Davies has to be looked at if he is the one playing first team football. |
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Post by dai on Mar 22, 2021 14:54:16 GMT
I’d just rather give a Welsh cap to a Welshman rather than an Englishman like Darlow. Both Ward and Davies are younger, and Davies looks to be Stoke’s no.1 again. Pre Dubravka’s injury, I’d have said Darlow was happy enough being no.2 at Newcastle similarly to Ward. Unfortunately for Ward Schmeichel’s a cyborg so doesn’t get injured. Darlow did have a good 3 months, but that’s all he really has had. He has now been dropped for Dubravka. Just a shame, as you say that Ward isn’t playing- otherwise the ‘Darlow for Wales’ subject wouldn’t crop up! Ah I didn’t realise he’d been dropped. Okay that muddies the waters. If we had someone willing to commit who had a solid record of being number 1, especially at a premiership club, then for me that needs serious consideration even if they have previously turned us down. We should be learning from the likes of Moore and Chester that inspiration can come from the strangest of places and have profound effects in a way that mutually benefits us and the player even if they have something of a rather unorthodox claim to represent Wales.But having said all that if all we are doing is swapping one prem sub for another than there seems little gain there. I guess Davies has to be looked at if he is the one playing first team football. Difference between Darlow and those you mentioned, and others, is that they didn't turn us down to begin with. Darlow, like Dummett has turned us down quite a few times. Yes, they weren't England cap prospects like Darlow, but I think the ship has sailed on this one. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 22, 2021 15:10:03 GMT
Going to remind everyone of his comments in this article^ It's very clear where Darlow stands |
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Post by marsvolta on Mar 22, 2021 16:00:53 GMT
Without any encouragement from us, this story just seems to reappear every 6 months or so.
To be fair to Darlow, he doesn’t seem to do or say anything to prompt the rumour resurfacing either. We often make him out to be the bad guy but he’s simply stated that he is hoping for an England call up, which isn’t a crime considering he’s born In England.
We don’t really need to discuss this until Darlow is directly quoted as saying that he now wants to play for Wales and asks the FAW to sort out the paperwork.
I think we’re just destined to have click bait articles on this until he retires (and yes, I clicked on it too so I’m not helping)
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Post by impeachabull on Mar 22, 2021 16:53:39 GMT
I'm firmly in the no camp too. But, realistically, not many Wales managers are going to turn him down if he does make himself available, and he'll have my support if he does play for us.
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Post by impeachabull on Mar 22, 2021 16:56:49 GMT
Without any encouragement from us, this story just seems to reappear every 6 months or so. To be fair to Darlow, he doesn’t seem to do or say anything to prompt the rumour resurfacing either. We often make him out to be the bad guy but he’s simply stated that he is hoping for an England call up, which isn’t a crime considering he’s born In England. We don’t really need to discuss this until Darlow is directly quoted as saying that he now wants to play for Wales and asks the FAW to sort out the paperwork. I think we’re just destined to have click bait articles on this until he retires (and yes, I clicked on it too so I’m not helping)I'd usually agree, but Ornstein is a very credible journalist, and The Athletic's model of sports journalism is just about the opposite of 'click-bait'. |
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Post by hooky on Mar 22, 2021 19:34:38 GMT
We are a very small country. If we never want to qualify for anything then we can be precious but we need every resource we can to succeed.
James Chester was a great example of someone who held out on Wales until his late 20s either in hope of England coming calling or maybe he thought Wales had no chance of achieving anything before that? Would we have qualified for the Euros if he was not involved? Do we regret his involvement?
Do you think Mepham, Ampadu, Brooks, Moore, etc, all just wanted to play for Wales, Sure most joined us at an early stage but if they saw as much of an opportunity with England as they did with Wales at an early stage then would we be certain they would have chosen us. They each would have made the judgement that they had a massive chance to be a first choice.
Darlow obviously really wanted to play for England. He probably realises it will never happen now. If he is shallow and leaves after 6 months if he is not first choice then I agree that is wrong. However, if he joins fully committed then what is the problem? Lets be honest - it is hard committing if you are a goalkeeper unless you have a high level of confidence you will play? Any other position then there is a good chance you get some game time but a reserve keeper could see just see a couple of games over several years. Am not sure that is attractive if you are leaving your family behind for weeks over the course of a year but never actually play?
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Post by vaulksthrowfanclub on Mar 22, 2021 19:54:06 GMT
We are a very small country. If we never want to qualify for anything then we can be precious but we need every resource we can to succeed. James Chester was a great example of someone who held out on Wales until his late 20s either in hope of England coming calling or maybe he thought Wales had no chance of achieving anything before that? Would we have qualified for the Euros if he was not involved? Do we regret his involvement? Do you think Mepham, Ampadu, Brooks, Moore, etc, all just wanted to play for Wales, Sure most joined us at an early stage but if they saw as much of an opportunity with England as they did with Wales at an early stage then would we be certain they would have chosen us. They each would have made the judgement that they had a massive chance to be a first choice. Darlow obviously really wanted to play for England. He probably realises it will never happen now. If he is shallow and leaves after 6 months if he is not first choice then I agree that is wrong. However, if he joins fully committed then what is the problem? Lets be honest - it is hard committing if you are a goalkeeper unless you have a high level of confidence you will play? Any other position then there is a good chance you get some game time but a reserve keeper could see just see a couple of games over several years. Am not sure that is attractive if you are leaving your family behind for weeks over the course of a year but never actually play? He would've been in a great position to play (and full of confidence) if he declared/ accepted a call up in November. But no, he didn’t want to (again). Yes we are a smaller country (not too small though), but that shouldn’t mean selling our soul for a 30 year old back-up keeper, robbing a fully committed Welsh player of the chance to be part of his country’s set up. He would’ve undoubtedly have been called up as our 4th choice keeper were he to declare before the Latest squad selection. But where was he? Not interested. All this ‘keeping his options open’ rhetoric is to up his chances of an England cap. Embarrassing from Karl. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 22, 2021 20:59:00 GMT
As a smaller country a big part of our success comes in creating an ethos that players can buy into & having principles that give us a platform to succeed. My issue with Darlow isn't that he wanted to play for England - I'm sure a lot of our dual qualifieds did at some point in their lives
Rather, our dual qualifieds decided to buy into our ethos & principles when they were given the opportunity. Darlow hasn't come and seen our setup to see how he feels about us, he's been clear that he doesn't want to know & that England is the one for him. His perspective is completely valid, but it shows that he isn't the type of person who we want involved if we're going to create an ethos that will allow us to succeed
I was all for giving him a 2nd opportunity to join up with us when Giggs called him up, as enough time had passed for him to re-consider. However, once he said no and very publicly talked about how he'd rather wait and see with England because it would be his proudest moment, his time passed to ever represent us in my opinion
Give me a proud Welshman playing at a lower level over an average Premier League player who is settling for our colours
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Post by marsvolta on Mar 22, 2021 21:00:55 GMT
I'm firmly in the no camp too. But, realistically, not many Wales managers are going to turn him down if he does make himself available, and he'll have my support if he does play for us. It’s a no from me too but , I agree, everyone who plays for us will get my support. |
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Post by CrackityJones on Mar 22, 2021 22:11:16 GMT
Allez just summed up my thoughts, dim diolch.
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Post by marsvolta on Mar 23, 2021 4:40:37 GMT
Without any encouragement from us, this story just seems to reappear every 6 months or so. To be fair to Darlow, he doesn’t seem to do or say anything to prompt the rumour resurfacing either. We often make him out to be the bad guy but he’s simply stated that he is hoping for an England call up, which isn’t a crime considering he’s born In England. We don’t really need to discuss this until Darlow is directly quoted as saying that he now wants to play for Wales and asks the FAW to sort out the paperwork. I think we’re just destined to have click bait articles on this until he retires (and yes, I clicked on it too so I’m not helping) Here is a prime example of what I’m talking about. This article in The Sun (I know.I know) doesn’t contain any quotes from Wales, there’s zero comment from Darlow, nothing from his agent. Ziltch. Just a series of guesses and assumptions. The article is full of words like ‘could be set’, ‘opens the possibility’ and ‘may reach a point’ I challenge anyone to find any new solid information in this article that suggests that things have changed. If you break each paragraph down , it is a totally made up story but some Wales fans fall hook,line and sinker for it. This has made Darlow the subject of criticism with many Welsh fans on Twitter (again, I know) despite him not having anything to do with it. You may say that this is only the Sun and it’s only Twitter, but people read the Sun and people go on Twitter and Darlow is getting pelters from some Welsh fans for nothing. Oh well, see you all in six months when the same non-story does the rounds and Darlow becomes the bad guy again. www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/14420738/karl-darlow-wales-newcastle-steve-bruce/amp/?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_campaign=sunsporttwitter&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true |
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Post by welshiron on Mar 23, 2021 14:50:17 GMT
Karl Darlow can just feck off and watch the games with Dummett the muppet if he has any interest at all
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