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Post by hooky on Mar 25, 2021 11:42:30 GMT
Last night was a good example of why we should not stick our nose up at Darlow
3 keepers, 2 of which don't seem to have much ambition to be a #1 at their clubs.
Ward was dreadful last night - he had 3 shots at him and not only were there 3 goals but I would argue his efforts were poor:
1st goal - got nowehere near
2nd - could have done better as it was at his height and not in the corner
3rd - OK its a penalty but you knew there was zero chance of a save
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Post by vaulksthrowfanclub on Mar 25, 2021 11:54:11 GMT
Last night was a good example of why we should not stick our nose up at Darlow 3 keepers, 2 of which don't seem to have much ambition to be a #1 at their clubs. Ward was dreadful last night - he had 3 shots at him and not only were there 3 goals but I would argue his efforts were poor: 1st goal - got nowehere near 2nd - could have done better as it was at his height and not in the corner 3rd - OK its a penalty but you knew there was zero chance of a save Incredibly harsh. First one was a well placed goal, second he was probably caught off guard by Roberts’ slip, was a decent enough header by Hazard anyway imo. Ward is actually really adept at saving penalties.... not that he should be blamed for not saving it. the reaction save prior to the penalty was impressive too. I haven’t seen anything sustained from Darlow to suggest he’d have done any better. Particularly as he wouldn’t have actually turned up to the game as he ain’t interested. |
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Post by CrackityJones on Mar 25, 2021 12:04:46 GMT
Last night was a good example of why we should not stick our nose up at Darlow 3 keepers, 2 of which don't seem to have much ambition to be a #1 at their clubs. Ward was dreadful last night - he had 3 shots at him and not only were there 3 goals but I would argue his efforts were poor: 1st goal - got nowehere near 2nd - could have done better as it was at his height and not in the corner 3rd - OK its a penalty but you knew there was zero chance of a save Hilarious. No one on this thread is sticking their nose up to Darlow, if anything he is doing it to us. DARLOW DOES NOT WANT TO PLAY FOR WALES |
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Post by fiveattheback on Aug 25, 2024 9:40:23 GMT
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Post by marsvolta on Aug 25, 2024 9:42:26 GMT
This will be strange if true.
Nearly 34 and not even playing for Leeds so yet another non-playing keeper (though it could be argued that he’s got more chance of playing this season than our current choices)
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Post by CrackityJones on Aug 25, 2024 9:49:08 GMT
FFS
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Post by melynwy on Aug 25, 2024 12:33:19 GMT
Welll, I guess no-one saw that coming!
Still, if committed, he’s still one of the best options available to us I guess. Not concerned about his age to be honest- not everything has to be about the future. The here and now is also important. If he can play a role for a couple of years, fine by me.
Having said that, seeing as he’s not playing, on paper he’s a similar option to the rest of our senior keepers.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Aug 25, 2024 12:51:45 GMT
If he's committed, he's easily in our best 3 options. Likely our 2nd choice behind Davies. I'm a little surprised by the backlash given the dire situation with goalkeepers.
Ward has ruined it for himself. I get why, the pay, but still doesn't invalidate my point. I'd be tempted to call up Evans ahead of him to give him a well-needed kick up the arse. At 31 it isn't too late to get a good few years in as our number 1.
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Post by surge on Aug 25, 2024 13:15:38 GMT
It will be interesting to hear why he's ready now as opposed to previous opportunities, however clearly a player more than one Welsh manager has wanted to call up so a small feather in Bellamy's cap. It's an interesting and exciting time so hopefully we can look back on this thread and see how well it worked out.
As a fan, and not a Leeds fan so haven't seen him play for a while, my first impression is that its a sign of the work we need to do so to avoid being in this position again.
I know German football was recently have strong conversations about where had all the strikers gone and we probably need the same about our goalies.
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Post by insertname on Aug 25, 2024 13:21:22 GMT
We’ve now got more reserve keepers than Chelsea |
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Post by garynysmon on Aug 25, 2024 13:34:54 GMT
I know German football was recently have strong conversations about where had all the strikers gone and we probably need the same about our goalies. The thing is, the DFB has direct control over youth development. Other than the Cymru Premier academies, the FAW doesn't. Let's face it, as glad as we are of them, at least half of our players (and seemingly almost all of our prospects) are English born and developed by English clubs, which means we're leaving it to the gods really. |
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Post by melynwy on Aug 25, 2024 13:44:31 GMT
There seems to be rumours of Darlow moving to Hull, so if he’s actively looking for first team football in the Championship then it’s a good sign. Perhaps Bellamy knows what’s likely to happen to Darlow and that he’ll possibly soon be a Championship starter. In that case he probably becomes out #1, right?
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Post by hooky on Aug 25, 2024 13:56:05 GMT
We are all against our big brother in a sporting sense but let's be honest - we are so, so lucky to be situated next to England and its vast resources which develops most of our football players from a young age and gives us access to many dual qualified players
Darlow switching this late is not exactly inspiring but lets park any hate. We need all the support and depth we can get and as long as he is fully committed and has something to give. It also depends what each manager who approached him sold him or the quality and length of conversation they had with him or the respect he had for the manager at the time.
Looking back at that play off loss vs Poland, Danny Ward got nowhere near any of the penalties and sold himself far too early for most of their attempts. If Darlow is a better keeper then why not have him there putting pressure on Danny - there are 3 spots available after all
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Post by talyfan on Aug 25, 2024 15:26:00 GMT
Bizarre. Calling up a bloke who let's face only playing for us now as he's got nothing else to do.
Why not call up Maxwell or Dai Cornell?
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Post by kracken88 on Aug 25, 2024 16:18:20 GMT
I find it an insult if he is going to choose us because he clearly won't get the offer he really wants (but I guess he wouldn't be the first),,but then our keeper situation is so dire and if the end justified the means then I don't suppose we can be too uppity about it.But it's the constant refusal that really grates ,if in fact that is the case then I hope he doesn't get picked.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Aug 25, 2024 16:40:26 GMT
We are all against our big brother in a sporting sense but let's be honest - we are so, so lucky to be situated next to England and its vast resources which develops most of our football players from a young age and gives us access to many dual qualified players Darlow switching this late is not exactly inspiring but lets park any hate. We need all the support and depth we can get and as long as he is fully committed and has something to give. It also depends what each manager who approached him sold him or the quality and length of conversation they had with him or the respect he had for the manager at the time. Looking back at that play off loss vs Poland, Danny Ward got nowhere near any of the penalties and sold himself far too early for most of their attempts. If Darlow is a better keeper then why not have him there putting pressure on Danny - there are 3 spots available after all But if we weren't next door to England we'd probably be independent with a full league containing all of our biggest clubs. We'd probably have a league on par with the likes of Croatia which would churn out steady talent, and our best players would still get snapped up in the big leagues as the cream tends to rise upwards Yes, if we have to be dominated by a neighbour, England is a good one to be by given the money that gets invested into the league, but I don't think we're so so lucky. We'd be better off with all our clubs within our own association |
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Post by rushy on Aug 25, 2024 17:01:10 GMT
What's Big Nev doing these days, may as well call him up pfft !!!!
Seriously this smacks of desperation and begs the question in what has happened to the coaching of GK's in Wales ?
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Post by allezlesrouges on Aug 25, 2024 17:01:18 GMT
In the past when he's been approached it's probably been a case of something like this being said by the Welsh managers....
"Hi Karl, fancy giving up your free time/family time and joining up with the squad? We've got Wayne and Wardy as our no.1 & no.2 but if you fly all around Europe with us for the next 5-8 years then maybe you'll get the odd cap here and there. Sure, you will probably retire before Wardy and therefore never get the no.1 jersey, but you can MAYBE represent your country a few times"
Darlow probably thought something like "I don't really want to give up my free time to represent a country I don't feel massively connected to, in order to basically never play anyway with no viable pathway to the no.1 jersey". Which is an understandable perspective to have
Of course as fans who are incredibly passionate about Wales, we'd all love to fly around Europe with half a chance of playing, but I think it's naive to suggest that all of our Anglo-qualified players would feel the same way as us hardcore fans
Now that Ward has essentially handed over the opportunity to take his no.1 jersey, Bellamy can approach Darlow and quite simply say "get regular Championship minutes and you are our new number 1 - you can play at Euros and World Cups if things go to plan" - now that's a far more attractive offer that will get a less "passionate" player interested in representing us
If Darlow doesn't get regular minutes at club level then this makes little sense to me. The only way I can understand it is if he gets regular game time then he's a shoe-in to be the new no.1
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Post by welshwhite on Aug 25, 2024 17:30:48 GMT
However this pans out, surely we can't snub our noses to players like Darlow. Without the hate, it at least shows how receptive we can be to players switching at whatever stage in their career. This should send out a message. We should always be open to players like Ash Phillips, Callum Burton, or Jonathon Bond coming on board.
On another topic St. Pauli are my new favourite second team, not just because Fin Stevens and ex Bolton Dapo Afolayon play there now. What a wonderful inclusive community centric club.
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Post by kracken88 on Aug 25, 2024 17:37:03 GMT
We should call big nev up if he is up for it, wouldn't get him diving over that hagi shot as he would just fill the goal as it stands, only joking he was rather splendid in his prime and we all let ourselves go if we are not nutters
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Post by surge on Aug 25, 2024 19:15:57 GMT
However this pans out, surely we can't snub our noses to players like Darlow. Without the hate, it at least shows how receptive we can be to players switching at whatever stage in their career. This should send out a message. We should always be open to players like Ash Phillips, Callum Burton, or Jonathon Bond coming on board. On another topic St. Pauli are my new favourite second team, not just because Fin Stevens and ex Bolton Dapo Afolayon play there now. What a wonderful inclusive community centric club. Some people reconnect with their Welshness later in life. I'm not assuming either way what Darlow's story is but if something has happened and this is him reconnecting with this side of his makeup, then it's really important to be welcoming. A relatively small club like St Pauli becomes a giant through their reputation and actions. |
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Post by kracken88 on Aug 25, 2024 20:26:58 GMT
I don't care if players are English born,that night against Belgium was the best night ever and we all know where those guys where born,it's just this darlow thing,a guy that is not interested using us basically,I don't mind being a republc of Ireland if they actually feel something for us,but using us is beyond the pale,oh and Cardiff are pretty weak in producing players for us,you must surely know your club isn't what you'd want it to be right? That goes for my club too,I'm sick of it,how do you change it,I guess it's hard being championship teams,it's a very good league
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Post by erasedcitizen on Aug 25, 2024 20:32:18 GMT
Bizarre. Calling up a bloke who let's face only playing for us now as he's got nothing else to do. Why not call up Maxwell or Dai Cornell? Because Maxwell is number 2 at a League One side and Cornell has made 3 senior appearances since 2022. |
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Post by CrackityJones on Aug 25, 2024 20:34:25 GMT
…and Darlow made 2 appearances last season
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Post by talyfan on Aug 25, 2024 20:59:39 GMT
My point being Darlow not much better than Maxwell or Cornell currently. At least give the opportunity to a proud Welshman who would relish the opportunity.
Darlow has pied us off 3 times over almost a 10 year period!!
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Post by erasedcitizen on Aug 25, 2024 22:33:27 GMT
…and Darlow made 2 appearances last season 16 compared to 2 in the last 2 seasons, featuring 12 times for Hull in 2023. Don't worry, I knew that would come up. He's a higher quality goalkeeper than Cornell and Maxwell. That's why he'll make the squad while the other 2 sit out. |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Aug 25, 2024 22:38:39 GMT
My point being Darlow not much better than Maxwell or Cornell currently. At least give the opportunity to a proud Welshman who would relish the opportunity. Darlow has pied us off 3 times over almost a 10 year period!! Are we that bitter? Some of our greats are English-born and wouldn't have thought twice about turning out for them ahead of us given the opportunity. |
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Post by mortillsy on Aug 25, 2024 23:54:41 GMT
My point being Darlow not much better than Maxwell or Cornell currently. At least give the opportunity to a proud Welshman who would relish the opportunity. Darlow has pied us off 3 times over almost a 10 year period!! Are we that bitter? Some of our greats are English-born and wouldn't have thought twice about turning out for them ahead of us given the opportunity. I’m not sure it’s bitterness. Out of interest, which of our English-born greats fit this scenario? |
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Post by dragon64 on Aug 26, 2024 3:10:35 GMT
He is a decent keeper but if he has turned us down we have to respect his decision at the time
However Things may have changed as IIRC he was approached by Giggs so going back a few years,and his reply was he was keeping the door open in case England needed him....dont think that is happening, and he is early 30's now
IMO better than any other option we have, but sadly again he is on the bench for his club
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Post by welshrover on Aug 26, 2024 6:31:14 GMT
I suppose there is also the "Leeds Connection" to consider. Being around Ampadu, Rodon and James maybe they have had a chat with him.
If they have might be a bit frosty next time they meet up with Danny Ward!
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