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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2010 16:44:26 GMT
news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/league_of_wales/8982363.stm"The respected coach is part of a Football Association of Wales vision of a dream managerial team to ultimately replace Toshack on a permanent basis. The long-term aim of Welsh football's top brass is for Flynn to work alongside Ryan Giggs, Welsh football's most famous export, in a perfect synergy of footballing style and substance. What pupil Giggs lacks in coaching nous and experience, he makes up for in universal star quality that will not just inspire players and fans but attract the increasingly important sponsorship and corporate world." Please tell me they cant be serious? Waiting for Giggs just to increase revenue? Mind you that would be typical FAW. I dont think a caretaker role is that bad, I do baulk however at the idea of bringing Giggs in once he has retired to be the public face of all Flynns hard work- that would be really disrespectful imo
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Post by flynnfan on Sept 13, 2010 16:51:30 GMT
I read that article too and felt like smashing my laptop on the floor. I thought it was going to be about Flynn- all the hard work he's done to improve Welsh football over the years and how he now deserves his shot at the top job. But no, its all about Giggs and how getting him involved will appeal to the corporate world. Puke inducing, frankly.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2010 16:57:28 GMT
I read that article too and felt like smashing my laptop on the floor. I thought it was going to be about Flynn- all the hard work he's done to improve Welsh football over the years and how he now deserves his shot at the top job. But no, its all about Giggs and how getting him involved will appeal to the corporate world. Puke inducing, frankly. There are no quotes but a lot of this thinking is attributed to our mate Fordy and how he knows how to generate interest both coporate and consumer. On the one hand I do not have a problem with this per se, as Welsh football badly needs some positive exposure, but whilst the article talks about Fords vision being of posters in bedrooms so far we have seen little of evidence of this from his 6 months in the job- so the idea of getting Giggs in just seems like a cheap and totally lazy marketing ploy from a man who has so far only been noticable by his absence. Or more the point, the absence of any product of his supposed labour. Money men and football is always a bad combination |
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Post by saints19 on Sept 13, 2010 16:59:01 GMT
I read that article too and felt like smashing my laptop on the floor. I thought it was going to be about Flynn- all the hard work he's done to improve Welsh football over the years and how he now deserves his shot at the top job. But no, its all about Giggs and how getting him involved will appeal to the corporate world. Puke inducing, frankly. There are no quotes but a lot of this thinking is attributed to our mate Fordy and how he knows how to generate interest both coporate and consumer. On the one hand I do not have a problem with this per se, as Welsh football badly needs some positive exposure, but whilst the article talks about Fords vision being of posters in bedrooms so far we have seen little of evidence of this from his 6 months in the job- so the idea of getting Giggs in just seems like a cheap and totally lazy marketing ploy from a man who has so far only been noticable by his absence. Or more the point, the absence of any product of his supposed labour. Money men and football is always a bad combination I applaud that post. |
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Post by georgetm1 on Sept 13, 2010 17:02:54 GMT
The only way they are going to generate interest is by winning matches not sticking Giggs in and then playing like crap. Would England put Beckam in as manager straight away? I dont think they are that stupid. Plus Giggs has missed 53 games out and won 64 caps. Are they fucking kidding?! Thats nearly 50% of matches missed, that is a huge amount. That shows me one thing, he did'nt give a toss about Wales. I dont recall him ever playing his socks off for Wales like he has for Man utd.
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Post by flynnfan on Sept 13, 2010 17:53:14 GMT
'cheap and totally lazy'- that's it exactly RD.
There are so many things Johnny Ford and the FAW could/SHOULD be doing on the markting/promotion side of things that they're not. Things that it feels we've discussed on here loads (so I can't be bothered going over it all again...zzz..) It seems that the only thing he can think of is; get Giggs in! I thought he was a marketing guru this guy... As someone else posted 'disappointing' is the word that springs to mind.
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Post by youngdragon on Sept 13, 2010 20:47:11 GMT
im not behind it at all
but it would create hype and media attention not seen since the 04 play offs
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Post by newaddingtonwelsh on Sept 13, 2010 21:55:14 GMT
I found these extracts from the FAW strategic plan 2009/13 interesting to read
12. FUNDING
12.1 In football terms the FAW depends on funding from a variety of sources and
it is vital that a healthy strategy is maintained for the good of the game of
football in Wales.
STRATEGY:
(1) FAW will work with the WAG and local authorities to establish three
grounds, one each in North, Central and South Wales so that they meet UEFA
standards;
(2) FAW will maintain support to the Welsh Grounds Improvements Company to
administer grant aid for ground improvements in Wales.
INDICATORS:
(a) FAW, will have the three stadiums in Wales that meet UEFA standards by
the start of the 2012/2013 season to allow Wales to play international and
clubs competition matches at World and European level;
(b) FAW will support the Welsh Ground Improvements Company with
funding provided that it is in profit each year.
EXTERNAL RELATIONSHIPS
10.1 The FAW strategy is designed to develop and promote the game in Wales, but
it is an inevitable fact that progress cannot be fully achieved without the
successful building of relationships with external agencies, both
international and domestic.
COMMERCIAL AND MARKETING
9.1 The investment requirements of the FAW Strategy Plan at both international
and domestic levels require the FAW to be commercially successful so as to
be able to deliver the financial resources required. The FAW has developed
commercial possibilities over the past decade and has a number of business
partners. However, the main revenues, apart from match receipts, still reside to
a significant degree in the sale of broadcasting rights.
9.2 The national cup competitions are wholly underwritten by the FAW, including
the provision of prize-money. The FAW must attempt to obtain sponsorship
for each of these competitions.
9.3 The host television broadcasting rights for the period under review are held by
BSkyB, with highlight rights being held by S4C and foreign rights by Kentaro.
The sustainability of good TV revenues, balanced with good exposure is
crucial to the growth objective of the game.
STRATEGY
(1) To develop a new pricing strategy for the senior international matches.
(2) To increase the number of business partners;
(3) To obtain sponsorship for the five national cup competitions;
(4) To maintain and enhance current broadcasting rights strategy.
INDICATORS:
(a) To increase business partners each year until 2013;
(b) To obtain sponsorship for the Welsh Cup and Women s Cup by 2011 and for
the additional cups by 2013.
Because of the dominance of the professional game, the organisation of Welsh
football is primarily focused on international success. The finances of the
FAW are substantially dependent on revenues from A international matches
and from related sponsorship and broadcasting arrangements. It is essential
that Wales has a successful national team with the right structures properly
resourced and supported, because it is the strongest marketing tool for the game
THE INTERNATIONAL CONTEXT
2.1 The FAW, should make every effort to create a partnership to develop a
national facility for the benefit of football throughout Wales. The facility can
be regarded as an important tool in the future development of national squads.
2.2 The 2006/07 qualifying competition for EURO 2008 and the qualifying
competition of the FIFA 2010 World Cup have been acknowledged as a
transitional phase; however, encouragement should be drawn from the results
of the Under-21 team and from the qualification of the Under-17 team for the
Elite Round in UEFA tournaments.
STRATEGY
1. Work will continue towards gradual, constant, and significant improvements
for all Wales International teams. The FAW will continue to control the
management and playing programme of all representative and national squads.
The management of the up to 16 years of age will reside with the FAW,
although the operation is delegated to Welsh Football Trust.
INDICATORS:
(a) Wales will qualify for the Final Tournament at EURO 2012;
(b) Wales to qualify for the Under-21 Final Tournament by 2012:
(c) Wales to qualify for the final stages of the Under-19 Tournament by 2012 and;
(d) Wales to qualify for the final stages of the Under 17 tournament by 2012
3 THE NATIONAL LEAGUE
3.1 The Welsh Premier League (WPL) has made substantial progress since its
formation in 1992. It is recognised by UEFA as the provider of three teams for
European club competitions (The Champions enter the UEFA Champions
League, the second and third placed team enter the UEFA Europa League, the
winners of the Welsh Cup also enter the UEFA Europa League).
3.2 It is now appropriate to use a period of reorganisation to bring the WPL
under the direct control of FAW.
STRATEGY
1. The WPL should cease to be a limited company and come under the direct
control of FAW by the start of the 2010/2011 season.
2. The WPL should be of one division only and reduce its membership to a
maximum of 10 clubs by the start of the 2010/2011 season. To be admitted to
the league, clubs must hold the FAW Club license.
3. The FAW will invest in up to three designated stadia (one each based in north,
central and
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Post by saints19 on Sept 13, 2010 22:52:08 GMT
Note that many of the goals, especialy those relating to the national league, have not been met and no real progress has been made. I have read the report; one of the requirements, as mentioned above, is to have three UEFA-compliant (i.e. 3,000-seat) stadiums by 2013. Another is to boost the coefficient ranking. Nothing has been done on the former front, and if it were not for the efforts of TNS and Bangor this year, we would not have gained much in the way of coefficient points either.
We also do not have a sponsor for the Welsh Cup - another target in the strategy report - which is somewhat surprising as the final is anually shown live on S4C. However, to the FAW's credit, a sponsorship deal was made (well before Jonathan Ford got the chief executive job) for the League Cup, now the Loosemores Cup.
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Post by youngdragon on Sept 14, 2010 19:26:43 GMT
yet the 'long term vision' dosent mean organising a november friendly
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Post by llannerch on Sept 14, 2010 20:59:25 GMT
yet the 'long term vision' dosent mean organising a november friendly There's no point. Flynn's got two competitive games in charge. A friendly would serve no purpose |
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Post by bale-droed on Sept 14, 2010 23:16:02 GMT
yet the 'long term vision' dosent mean organising a november friendly There's no point. Flynn's got two competitive games in charge. A friendly would serve no purpose thats a good point that llanerch just said. if they were going to give him a decent chance shouldnt he get a friendly ?? |
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Post by youngdragon on Sept 15, 2010 8:52:54 GMT
dosent matter who the manager is or how long they intend him to be there
there is a set date for international friendlies(i dont know what the date for it is though sorry) and we should have a fixture either home away against world beaters or african minnowers we need a friendly and the players deserve another oppourtunity to represent thier country
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Post by raptor on Sept 15, 2010 8:57:15 GMT
dosent matter who the manager is or how long they intend him to be there there is a set date for international friendlies(i dont know what the date for it is though sorry) and we should have a fixture either home away against world beaters or african minnowers we need a friendly and the players deserve another oppourtunity to represent thier country Agreed, we might even have the basis of a settled team come November so why not give them another game together. Although I would hope Flynn doesn't need a game to experiment with; we've been doing that for 6 years now. |
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Post by scoop76 on Sept 15, 2010 21:34:50 GMT
We haven't used all of the friendly dates in either of the past 2 seasons.
2009/10 we played 4 games on friendly dates.
2008/09 we played 4 games on friendly dates
This season we are already committed to 4 matches - against Luxembourg, Ireland, Northern Ireland and Scotland.
Given that each of those dates involves some negotiation with the clubs, it depends whether we have a full-time manager in place who can actually persuade at least 18 players to turn out for a November game.
We could have course played a friendly on our free date in September, but chose not to.
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Post by youngdragon on Sept 15, 2010 21:47:55 GMT
but when we have missed out on playing friendlies in the last two season (like with the septemeber fixture this year) we had a u21 game and so it was more benificial to have players drop down into the u21 than keeping them for a 'meaningless friendly'
however this time thre is no u21 game
and it would be the last possible oppourtunity to prepare ourselves for the four associations cup( a realistic chance of silverware) something the FAW should take very seriously
either way not playing a friendly is just lazy and shows a toal lack of interest on the FAW part
not like they are sorting anything else out really is it
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Post by cilmeri on Sept 16, 2010 11:38:38 GMT
Agree with posts above (except the friendly - but I'll get to that). I read the article expecting it to be about Flynn, and it was a non-sensical Giggs lovin. If I recall we had a full house v Italy because we had some promising friendly results (Croatia), coupled with a friendly v Argies I think which was priced very low so got people into the habit of going to a game. Then we had the terrific result v Finland and all of a sudden Welsh football was buzzing with the Italy game up next. Quite obviously if we'd have lost that game 4-0 and also had lost v Finland then the Azer game afterwards would've seen 25,000 odd fans, but as we'd beaten Italy the people came back for more.
It was nothing to do with a celebrity bringing in the crowds.
As for the friendly - perfectly happy that we don't have one. I struggle to see what the players get out of it - would much prefer a get-together where the vast majority of the players turn up + you can include injured players.
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Post by llannerch on Sept 17, 2010 12:01:31 GMT
we need a friendly and the players deserve another oppourtunity to represent thier country The Croatia game would have been a perfect opportunity but 14 of the beggars decided against it. I absolutely guarantee you that Flynn has no interest in a November friendly. None whatsoever. |
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Post by scoop76 on Sept 20, 2010 21:07:43 GMT
we need a friendly and the players deserve another oppourtunity to represent thier country The Croatia game would have been a perfect opportunity but 14 of the beggars decided against it. I absolutely guarantee you that Flynn has no interest in a November friendly. None whatsoever. those 14 players included Ramsey, Collison, Bale and Allen (all injured and not included in the squad), King (injured in the play-off semi final) and Vaughan, Eardley and Ledley (all in the squads for the Championship play off final. I don't think any of those 8 "decided against it"! Also Blake not considered due to play-off final. In fact just 7 players pulled out of the Croatia squad... King (who was most definitely injured), Bellamy, Gabbidon, Collins, Davies, Cotterill and Crofts. |
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Post by youngdragon on Sept 21, 2010 8:44:18 GMT
ok 7 is better than 14 but 7 players pulling out of a squad is unacceptable
king aside as he was injured
also am i right in thinking ginge(might have been cotteril) pulled out of the squad due to the birth of his new baby?
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Post by flynnfan on Sept 21, 2010 11:12:10 GMT
Crofts left the squad with Toshacks consent to sort out move to Norwich, Bellamy turned up for training -docc said he shuldn't play, Gabbidon was crocked virtually all season and was always unlikely to play, think Ginges missus must have been having a baby cos Cotterills missus had one around the time of Luxembourg game (hence the celebration).
So really it was only Cotterill and Simon Davies who didn't have decent excuses. Seems those 2 are the ones who made Toshack lose faith. I'd have thought most on this board would be thankful!
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Post by youngdragon on Sept 21, 2010 12:58:23 GMT
crofts would not have made any differance
a club move should have been put on hold for two days
gabbs didnt care much for toshack anyway but bellars would have played through the pain as he is one of very few who actually care about us
of those id say only ginge has a legitimate excuse
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Post by llannerch on Sept 21, 2010 20:09:41 GMT
So it wasn't 14 players then, it was only 7?
At the time people didn't seem so quick to look for justification of the high number of withdrawals. Odd
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Post by youngdragon on Sept 21, 2010 20:45:44 GMT
people have only started making excuses since flynn has been incharge when tosh was still at the helm it was pretty much his fualt we had 14 players unavaaible
weather its fourteen or seven it dosent matter its still too many players to be missing
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