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Post by alarch on May 28, 2015 14:05:10 GMT
The fact that four Championship clubs are believed to be interested in securing Jazz's signature shows how ridiculous the claims of some Swansea fans are. Every club has its scapegoats and Jazz is unfortunate that he's the one for a section of Swansea's fans. Even though I think he may still be of Premier League calibre (his distribution certainly is) he needs a prolonged period playing first team football to prove himself - and he's not going to get that at Swansea any time soon. A move to the Championship - or to one of the new Premier League arrivals - would be good all-round.
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Post by nathan1710 on May 28, 2015 15:30:34 GMT
I think Jazz is OK. He needs a run of games to show what he's got. He was unfortunate in the Arsenal game to come on just as Arsenal hit top gear (I know the Swans won. He came on to face Sanchez, not the worst winger in the league lol.
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Post by squatter1 on May 28, 2015 17:15:17 GMT
He gets far too much stick from Swansea fans, seem to hate him a lot of them for some reason. I got a feeling it's probably as he is from the city and plays for the team and many are jealous. Don't get me wrong he's not a world beater but those saying he is League one standard are either on drugs or nuts... but probably both. But wouldn't that be the most twisted logic ever? The song is "Harry Kane, he's one of our own". not: "Harry Kane, he's one of our own and therefore he's a c*nt"
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Post by jbt95 on May 28, 2015 17:31:23 GMT
He gets far too much stick from Swansea fans, seem to hate him a lot of them for some reason. I got a feeling it's probably as he is from the city and plays for the team and many are jealous. Don't get me wrong he's not a world beater but those saying he is League one standard are either on drugs or nuts... but probably both. But wouldn't that be the most twisted logic ever? The song is "Harry Kane, he's one of our own". not: "Harry Kane, he's one of our own and therefore he's a c*nt" Who knows... I'd sing Jazz Richards is one of our own but the bloke behind me would probably say "stab the c*nt" (often says stab opposition players ).
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Post by squatter1 on May 28, 2015 18:08:33 GMT
But wouldn't that be the most twisted logic ever? The song is "Harry Kane, he's one of our own". not: "Harry Kane, he's one of our own and therefore he's a c*nt" Who knows... I'd sing Jazz Richards is one of our own but the bloke behind me would probably say "stab the c*nt" (often says stab opposition players ). Such are football fans I guess!
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Post by Tim P on May 29, 2015 7:55:20 GMT
But wouldn't that be the most twisted logic ever? The song is "Harry Kane, he's one of our own". not: "Harry Kane, he's one of our own and therefore he's a c*nt" Who knows... I'd sing Jazz Richards is one of our own but the bloke behind me would probably say "stab the c*nt" (often says stab opposition players ). You should report this person to the police.
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Post by LondonWelsh on May 29, 2015 9:33:08 GMT
Jazz Will surely sign for Fulham. (permanent)
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Post by llannerch on May 29, 2015 11:52:10 GMT
Jazz Will surely sign for Fulham. (permanent) Are Fulham still in a bit of a mess?
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Post by alternativewales on May 29, 2015 14:04:14 GMT
If you get him, wish him luck. For me he's not a Premier League player and when he played for us last season, he'd been very poor. Like Homesdale has said when he'd been on loan at Palace in the Championship and he impressed and knowing the way Derby play, think he would with you too AND would be intriguing to see if Clement gets the job and knowing how Derby play, if he put Jazz in to midfield, where I think he could do a good job.
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Post by llannerch on May 29, 2015 21:25:31 GMT
Blimey, a five page thread for Jazz Richards
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Post by cymruramdcfc on May 30, 2015 22:38:03 GMT
Be welcome at ipro, ( lack of welsh players) but we need proven experience defenders, our demise is down to poor defending Cant be as bad as Keogh and Christie
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Post by alternativewales on Jun 1, 2015 15:20:19 GMT
but we need proven experience defenders Sorry but for me he's not. Never the less, like I said wish him luck if Clement wants him though. Wish you luck for next season.
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Post by holmesdaleultra on Jun 17, 2015 17:45:02 GMT
Palace are apparently after Jazz and Ben Davies.
If we get them we will have 5 Welsh players.
Fantastico.
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Post by robin1864 on Jun 17, 2015 18:44:03 GMT
Played more times for Wales than Swansea, aged 23 and some still believe he's our future.
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Post by alternativewales on Jun 17, 2015 19:34:33 GMT
Palace are apparently after Jazz and Ben Davies. West Brom allegedly want Jazz Richards too and intriguing if Pardew's now looking at Ben Davies on loan considering he had looked at Taylor before his new contract with the Swans. Would Tottenham allow him to go and get game time under his belt? Knowing they have the Europa League again this season?
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Post by njdragon on Jun 17, 2015 22:07:12 GMT
Played more times for Wales than Swansea, aged 23 and some still believe he's our future. How has he played more times for wales? 51 appearances for the swans. 85 appearances over 6 seasons including loans. I think he's been unlucky in that he's always played back up to Rangel and hasn't been able to push on with the swans.
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Post by welshiron on Jun 22, 2015 10:24:47 GMT
I'm not as excited by Jazz as others on here.
I honestly feel he was a weak link in the first half (not all his fault) and we were often overrun down his flank.
The thing that worried me most was when Vertongen beat him on his outside to get a cross in.
However, he did have a very good second half which was possibly down to a minot chnge in tactics.
He needs to get a run of games in the chmpionship/epl to become a serius contender for a starting position as both times he has played recently was due to Gunter playing centre half where he excelled in both games
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Post by alarch on Jun 22, 2015 10:46:48 GMT
Couldn't see it more differently. I thought Richards was excellent throughout - the best right wing back performance of the campaign to date. Yes, one or two crosses did come in from his side (as they have previously when Gunter has played) - hardly surprising given that Belgium were understandably targeting his side - and they did of course have Hazard switching with Mertens on the right. But when they did manage to get there crosses in they were under pressure, such as a Dries Mertens effort that went over the bar. The fact that Mertens went off at half-time is an indication of the lack of success Belgium were having on the flanks.
One area where Richards particularly excelled was in rushing out to close down the space available to Vertonghen in particular - his impact was very limited.
To my mind, Richards is in contention for the right wing back / full back slot going forwards, assuming he's getting regular game time come next season, which is likely.
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Post by welshiron on Jun 22, 2015 10:59:13 GMT
I would agree if he got skint by Hazard but a centre half waltzed passed him right in front of where I was sat which is a concern
As I said if he plays regulary next season he would be in contention but can't see him playing ahead of Gunter any time soon
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Post by alarch on Jun 22, 2015 11:11:09 GMT
I watched the match a second time and can't recall Richards being "waltzed passed" on any occasion.
Gunter has upped his game significantly in this campaign - and I no longer have a feeling of dread when he's selected, as I did for the World Cup qualifiers. But his performances have been mainly good rather than outstanding. His defensive work has been much improved, but going forwards he's yet to make a telling contribution. Against Belgium, Richards produced a couple of threatening crosses, which is about as many as Gunter delivered in all the previous games combined.
The only reason for selecting Gunter ahead of Richards at the moment would be down to a if it ain't broke... thought process. On footballing merit alone there is very little to choose between them.
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Post by welshiron on Jun 22, 2015 11:23:36 GMT
You forget experience!!
An important ingredient in the current team.
I can assure you that Vetonggen went passed him with ease, looked even worse when i watched back
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Post by alarch on Jun 22, 2015 12:21:03 GMT
Gunter's added experience is in his favour for sure. Having said that when Richards has represented his country he hasn't put a foot wrong - not something you can say for Gunter. The other thing in Gunter's favour is his popularity in camp, especially with the likes of Ramsey. Team spirit is obviously important, and Gunter seems to be a bubbly character, and fits in well - which is certainly an important consideration.
Chances are that Coleman will persist with Gunter - but long-term there are other options in the squad, including Richards, with more raw ability.
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Post by toshfan on Jun 22, 2015 13:03:34 GMT
Couldn't see it more differently. I thought Richards was excellent throughout - the best right wing back performance of the campaign to date. Yes, one or two crosses did come in from his side (as they have previously when Gunter has played) - hardly surprising given that Belgium were understandably targeting his side - and they did of course have Hazard switching with Mertens on the right. But when they did manage to get there crosses in they were under pressure, such as a Dries Mertens effort that went over the bar. The fact that Mertens went off at half-time is an indication of the lack of success Belgium were having on the flanks. One area where Richards particularly excelled was in rushing out to close down the space available to Vertonghen in particular - his impact was very limited. To my mind, Richards is in contention for the right wing back / full back slot going forwards, assuming he's getting regular game time come next season, which is likely. What goes for Jazz, when considering him in isolation, is that this is not the first excellent game he has had for Wales. I think that he was even better out in Belgium in 2013. Were it a straight choice between Gunter & Richards, and I have changed my view during this campaign, Gunter will win. But, the two best games Gunter has had for Wales in my view have been the most recent and out in Belgium 2013 when he played in the middle.
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Post by welshiron on Jun 22, 2015 13:08:25 GMT
But when fit, Williams, Collins, Chester, Davies and Dummett would all have been selected ahead of Gunter at centre half
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Post by toshfan on Jun 22, 2015 13:11:25 GMT
But when fit, Williams, Collins, Chester, Davies and Dummett would all have been selected ahead of Gunter at centre half Totally and this is a point that I should have made.
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Post by welshiron on Jun 22, 2015 13:14:08 GMT
I think the thing we can all agree on is the fact that it is great to have options
We have I think at least 8 defenders who have played in the EPL
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Post by quetzal on Jun 22, 2015 13:57:31 GMT
But when fit, Williams, Collins, Chester, Davies and Dummett would all have been selected ahead of Gunter at centre half Wales really do need to play some friendly's though. I mean the name Dummett keeps on being mentioned on this forum. We need to have a good look at the guy. And what ever happened to the old 'B' International game? We could desperately use a 'B' to try some players. The lad from Llanelli who played goalkeeper at Dundee, Lawrence upfront, Bradshaw......
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Post by JoeEyes on Jul 2, 2015 10:17:31 GMT
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Post by ae15 on Jul 2, 2015 10:19:13 GMT
If he wouldn't have got first team football at Villa or Norwich then yes, but if he would have done then he could have done better.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Jul 2, 2015 10:30:34 GMT
If he wouldn't have got first team football at Villa or Norwich then yes, but if he would have done then he could have done better. He's gone with the club that will offer him first team football. It's a good move. If he works hard, hopefully he can make it back to the top flight.
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