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Post by morg on Jun 27, 2021 11:46:34 GMT
Not sure I'd be happy with Gunter as a wing back. Don't think Connor Roberts has done too much wrong and Neco is a decent prospect with youthful mistakes at present. Dan James as wing back has some merit too I think. 2 holding mids is a problem for me also. Too much of a disconnect between attack and defence. Would really like to see Tyler Roberts given a try in central mid. Good technically, great engine, more attack minded. If Bale carries on, would like to see him as a 10. He could really orchestrate things from there.
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Post by morg on Jun 27, 2021 11:55:30 GMT
So maybe....
Ward/Davies??
Ampadu Rodon Davies
C.Roberts Ramsey Allen T.Roberts James
Bale
Moore
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Post by msjohns on Jun 27, 2021 11:57:29 GMT
We need to plan forward, not look to the past. Gunter was a great servant, but he is playing in League One, while Connor Roberts is playing regular Championship football. So, I think it is time to phase him out.
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Post by cadno on Jun 27, 2021 12:03:58 GMT
We need to plan forward, not look to the past. Gunter was a great servant, but he is playing in League One, while Connor Roberts is playing regular Championship football. So, I think it is time to phase him out. Underrated defender, not your flashy attacking full back but he can defend! Connor is good but Gunter has the best defensive quality from our full backs imo! I wouldn't write him off |
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Post by morg on Jun 27, 2021 12:08:49 GMT
I'd have some sympathy with that. Just not as a wing back. We do write our players off too early.. When you look at the number of decent players in this tournament who are 35+ Perhaps it's because our guys start earlier?
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 27, 2021 12:16:34 GMT
Not sure I'd be happy with Gunter as a wing back. Don't think Connor Roberts has done too much wrong and Neco is a decent prospect with youthful mistakes at present. Dan James as wing back has some merit too I think. 2 holding mids is a problem for me also. Too much of a disconnect between attack and defence. Would really like to see Tyler Roberts given a try in central mid. Good technically, great engine, more attack minded. If Bale carries on, would like to see him as a 10. He could really orchestrate things from there. 100% agree re: Tyler Roberts. I'd like to see us try him in a 4-3-3, something like this; Ward Roberts-Mepham-Rodon-Davies Ampadu Tyler-Ramsey Bale-Moore-James At least then we'd have 3 midfielders all playing for Premier League clubs. You could even play an F9 instead of Moore and be more likely to get the best out of them because of the two attack minded 8s. Colwill also might turn out to be a great number 8 |
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Post by underwood on Jun 27, 2021 12:18:37 GMT
I'd have some sympathy with that. Just not as a wing back. We do write our players off too early.. When you look at the number of decent players in this tournament who are 35+ Perhaps it's because our guys start earlier? That may be a factor. As soon as any young Welsh player is good enough he is in the squad & after 10 years it feels like they’ve been around for ever, when in fact they haven’t even reached the age of 30. |
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Post by talyfan on Jun 27, 2021 12:20:43 GMT
I wasn't a fan initially calling up Gunter. I know he plays League 1 footy.
But from what I saw of him if the games he's featured recently for us. He's Mr. Dependable. Doesn't put a foot wrong, good defensively and still offers something when attacking and on top of all that can play anywhere across the back 5.
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Post by msjohns on Jun 27, 2021 12:20:55 GMT
We need to plan forward, not look to the past. Gunter was a great servant, but he is playing in League One, while Connor Roberts is playing regular Championship football. So, I think it is time to phase him out. Underrated defender, not your flashy attacking full back but he can defend! Connor is good but Gunter has the best defensive quality from our full backs imo! I wouldn't write him off I'm not writing him off. I've said, he's been a great servant over the years, and he can come in and still do a job when needed, but I also don't want to see a regular Championship player, who has cemented his position in this Wales squad being dropped to accommodate one of the older players. |
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Post by cadno on Jun 27, 2021 14:16:27 GMT
I thought we looked good pre tournament against Mexico, Czech, Belgium to an extent, Finland.... Didn't we play a back 5 in those games? No Ramsey so it was Wilson / James / Bale or something like that for most of them?
Norington Davies has never let us down as a left wing back.
Dave Edwards reckons were better with a back 5, I've got to agree, it helps our midfield 2 for sure.
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Post by CrackityJones on Jun 27, 2021 17:53:26 GMT
The Czechs have earned themselves a nice quarter final spot against Denmark. We know what they’re about will be interesting to see how th to fare compared to us.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Jun 27, 2021 17:54:21 GMT
The Czechs have earned themselves a nice quarter final spot against Denmark. We know what they’re about will be interesting to see how th to fare compared to us. It will be worth noting that the Danish won't have their home advantage however. |
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Post by dai on Jun 27, 2021 17:58:14 GMT
Unless we seriously alter our gameplan, I’m quite concerned about the Czechs away. No more of this predictable 4-2-3-1 formation, it hasnt work against good opposition. Will most likely be without Ramsey, so a chance for Joniesta/Wilson etc to step up again.
I would like to see us lining up like this;
Gunter - Rodon - Davies
Roberts - Ampadu - Allen - RND
Brooks - Bale - James
Players who actually play regularly for clubs must be used more imo.
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Post by cynonvalley on Jun 27, 2021 18:07:53 GMT
Such a shite place for a World Cup. A real shame since it will be our star players' last oportunity.
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Post by cadno on Jun 27, 2021 18:43:11 GMT
Unless we seriously alter our gameplan, I’m quite concerned about the Czechs away. No more of this predictable 4-2-3-1 formation, it hasnt work against good opposition. Will most likely be without Ramsey, so a chance for Joniesta/Wilson etc to step up again. I would like to see us lining up like this; Gunter - Rodon - Davies Roberts - Ampadu - Allen - RND Brooks - Bale - James Players who actually play regularly for clubs must be used more imo. Rhwbeth felna fi moyn gweld nawr, and STICK to it. We played well with that set up under Page Vs Czech, Mexico, Finland... Belgium to an extent... not sure why we changed it so much. Has it helped Page that before this tournament he's largely worked without Ramsey being involved in any squad? Probably not. It's been difficult for him with the Giggs mess, Jon Ford leaving, covid etc. Hard to tell how he'd have done if he was given the job 3 years ago after Cookie. |
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Post by llyn on Jun 28, 2021 12:40:34 GMT
No football coach but seems to me we missed a player like Joe ledley in this campaign and the most important area we need to look at is the midfield. Sort of with that in mind perhaps we should look at ways of finding a place for both Brooks and Ramsey in the same team (even if playing out of the favoured positions). We are not blessed with many premier league quality players yet we have one of our best players on the bench at the start of each game. On a similar line Ampadu should be also be starting more - hopefully with an improvement in his discipline.
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Post by iot on Jun 28, 2021 14:02:09 GMT
We have 6 games to go! It's time to get a core squad together, plan a way of playing and go with that. 1. I don't care what you think about the quality of HRK, Vokes, Doidge, Mark Harris etc. We simply MUST have more than 1 striker in our squad from now on. 2. Decide on a back 4 or back 5 now and stick to that defence and keeper as much as injuries allow. Maybe consider bringing some experienced a quality defenders like Gunter and Chester back into the fold. A back 5 would be my choice. Gunter Chester Rodon Davies RND. 3. Try other midfielders out, I'm not taking Belarus and Estonia for granted but we should give some players more minutes to see what they can offer; We're simply not good enough to write off the likes of of Huws, Lee Evans, Vaulks, Andy King just yet. I have faith that Huws can turn his career around whatever others might think. Ward Chester Rodon Davies Gunter Allen Ampadu RND Bale Moore Ramsey Solid platform. Strong defensively. Characters. Soldiers. Team. That's a horrible team with no pace at all. I wouldn't write off Huws, but I also wouldn't consider him when he doesn't have a club. If by some miracle a championship club picks him up and he has a few months playing regularly and playing well, then he should come straight back in. But until then it's a moot point. lee Evans has been completely anonymous the couple of times he's played for us and is not pulling any trees up in League 1. Despite our problems in that position, I wouldn't tke him over any of those currently being favoured. Andy King - no. No reason to start Gunter either when Connor Roberts has shown to be a better player. But agree that we need some stability and settle on some combinations and establish more of an identity. |
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Post by garynysmon on Jun 28, 2021 14:05:33 GMT
I know this sounds harsh, but I just can't warm to the idea of Joe Morrell being a starting midfielder when he can't get any game time in the Championship.
Yes he's generally done well in the red of Wales, but there's something amiss there surely?
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Post by erasedcitizen on Jun 28, 2021 14:44:13 GMT
I know this sounds harsh, but I just can't warm to the idea of Joe Morrell being a starting midfielder when he can't get any game time in the Championship. Yes he's generally done well in the red of Wales, but there's something amiss there surely? Our issue here is a lack of options. Matt Smith didn't set League One alight last season, Dylan Levitt hasn't really pushed on, Robbie Burton doesn't appear to be in our plans and can barely get a game in the Croatian leagues, Vaulks isn't in our plans and hasn't really impressed when given the opportunity and Sheehan is still only a League One centre midfielder. The rest of our midfielders are more attack-minded. Beyond an ageing Allen and Ampadu, Morrell is probably our next best option still. We really could do with one of our young centre midfielders pushing on as I'm worried about our lack of strength in that position going forward, especially as Allen looks to be past his peak now after his latest injury. |
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Post by insertname on Jun 28, 2021 14:55:14 GMT
I know this sounds harsh, but I just can't warm to the idea of Joe Morrell being a starting midfielder when he can't get any game time in the Championship. Yes he's generally done well in the red of Wales, but there's something amiss there surely? Our issue here is a lack of options. Matt Smith didn't set League One alight last season, Dylan Levitt hasn't really pushed on, Robbie Burton doesn't appear to be in our plans and can barely get a game in the Croatian leagues, Vaulks isn't in our plans and hasn't really impressed when given the opportunity and Sheehan is still only a League One centre midfielder. The rest of our midfielders are more attack-minded. Beyond an ageing Allen and Ampadu, Morrell is probably our next best option still. We really could do with one of our young centre midfielders pushing on as I'm worried about our lack of strength in that position going forward, especially as Allen looks to be past his peak now after his latest injury. The upcoming transition worries me greatly. There doesn’t seem to be much there. Although I’m not so concerned about the immediate future and we look in good nick to just about qualify for 2022 I feel like we might struggle to qualify for the expanded Euros next time round and beyond with the way our players aren’t developing, particularly in defensive midfield but also James, Brooks and Wilson haven’t kicked on at club level and didn’t really stand out in the Euros. When I think back to that Panama game we were so enthusiastic about the young attacking players we had: hedges, Watkins, Brooks, James, Wilson, Lawrence, Woodburn…fast forward to now and a few have fallen by the way side whilst the ones actively involved have hit a bit of a plateau for the moment. Early days yet of course, but it shows how it can all change from a bright future to something of an uncertain one in a couple of years. |
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Post by garynysmon on Jun 28, 2021 15:08:39 GMT
Yeah, that worries me. Our players coming through now aren't of the level to replace the ageing ones we're phasing out.
Defensively we're fine, most are in their early 20's but looking at the midfield David Brooks needs a big season now. Clearly Page sees something in Dylan Levitt and he's only young, ditto Rubin Colwill. Would be great if he played a lot of football in the Championship this season.
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Post by pendragon on Jun 28, 2021 16:45:11 GMT
It's so frustrating that so many of our players seem to be in dead-end situations at their clubs 😕
Neco, Dan James, David Brooks.. they've had opportunities to move where they may be more likely to get regular game time, but their parent clubs are quite frankly, demanding too much cash for them, leaving them stuck where they are. Seems we are bl**dy cursed with this particular problem 😡
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Post by cadno on Jun 28, 2021 18:06:01 GMT
We have 6 games to go! It's time to get a core squad together, plan a way of playing and go with that. 1. I don't care what you think about the quality of HRK, Vokes, Doidge, Mark Harris etc. We simply MUST have more than 1 striker in our squad from now on. 2. Decide on a back 4 or back 5 now and stick to that defence and keeper as much as injuries allow. Maybe consider bringing some experienced a quality defenders like Gunter and Chester back into the fold. A back 5 would be my choice. Gunter Chester Rodon Davies RND. 3. Try other midfielders out, I'm not taking Belarus and Estonia for granted but we should give some players more minutes to see what they can offer; We're simply not good enough to write off the likes of of Huws, Lee Evans, Vaulks, Andy King just yet. I have faith that Huws can turn his career around whatever others might think. Ward Chester Rodon Davies Gunter Allen Ampadu RND Bale Moore Ramsey Solid platform. Strong defensively. Characters. Soldiers. Team. That's a horrible team with no pace at all. I wouldn't write off Huws, but I also wouldn't consider him when he doesn't have a club. If by some miracle a championship club picks him up and he has a few months playing regularly and playing well, then he should come straight back in. But until then it's a moot point. lee Evans has been completely anonymous the couple of times he's played for us and is not pulling any trees up in League 1. Despite our problems in that position, I wouldn't tke him over any of those currently being favoured. Andy King - no. No reason to start Gunter either when Connor Roberts has shown to be a better player. But agree that we need some stability and settle on some combinations and establish more of an identity. Yeah that's a really good point haha that line up is missing a bit of pace, get Dan James in for Moore. Then again who was our pace in 2016? Bale, HRK... That's it really? Connor for Gunts, can't argue with that. I wouldn't write King off, if he signs for Bristol City and plays regularly then he can be a handy player to steady the ship, even if its coming on to see out a game! Joniesta please find a club and play regular games, I really think if he'd have grown up in a country like Croatia they'd have nurtured him into a Modric type player! Harry Wilson too, I like that he came on in midfield for us the other day, if he backed himself dribbling the ball he'd be a superb all round player! Ben Woodburn - can he turn his fortunes around? It would be lovely to see. |
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Post by biwmares on Jun 28, 2021 18:44:11 GMT
I know this sounds harsh, but I just can't warm to the idea of Joe Morrell being a starting midfielder when he can't get any game time in the Championship. Yes he's generally done well in the red of Wales, but there's something amiss there surely? Our issue here is a lack of options. Matt Smith didn't set League One alight last season, Dylan Levitt hasn't really pushed on, Robbie Burton doesn't appear to be in our plans and can barely get a game in the Croatian leagues, Vaulks isn't in our plans and hasn't really impressed when given the opportunity and Sheehan is still only a League One centre midfielder. The rest of our midfielders are more attack-minded. Beyond an ageing Allen and Ampadu, Morrell is probably our next best option still. We really could do with one of our young centre midfielders pushing on as I'm worried about our lack of strength in that position going forward, especially as Allen looks to be past his peak now after his latest injury. Jordan Williams. |
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Post by biwmares on Jun 28, 2021 18:46:37 GMT
I know this sounds harsh, but I just can't warm to the idea of Joe Morrell being a starting midfielder when he can't get any game time in the Championship. Yes he's generally done well in the red of Wales, but there's something amiss there surely? Agree. |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Jun 28, 2021 19:01:54 GMT
Our issue here is a lack of options. Matt Smith didn't set League One alight last season, Dylan Levitt hasn't really pushed on, Robbie Burton doesn't appear to be in our plans and can barely get a game in the Croatian leagues, Vaulks isn't in our plans and hasn't really impressed when given the opportunity and Sheehan is still only a League One centre midfielder. The rest of our midfielders are more attack-minded. Beyond an ageing Allen and Ampadu, Morrell is probably our next best option still. We really could do with one of our young centre midfielders pushing on as I'm worried about our lack of strength in that position going forward, especially as Allen looks to be past his peak now after his latest injury. Jordan Williams. Yep, same club as Sheehan and around the same age. Hopefully he keeps improving. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 28, 2021 19:42:39 GMT
Our issue here is a lack of options. Matt Smith didn't set League One alight last season, Dylan Levitt hasn't really pushed on, Robbie Burton doesn't appear to be in our plans and can barely get a game in the Croatian leagues, Vaulks isn't in our plans and hasn't really impressed when given the opportunity and Sheehan is still only a League One centre midfielder. The rest of our midfielders are more attack-minded. Beyond an ageing Allen and Ampadu, Morrell is probably our next best option still. We really could do with one of our young centre midfielders pushing on as I'm worried about our lack of strength in that position going forward, especially as Allen looks to be past his peak now after his latest injury. Jordan Williams. I actually think he's a player that really deserves a chance. He's more of a "ball winning midfielder" than our other defensive mids (Ampadu aside), and I think we need a back up to Ampadu in that role. He'll be a league one regular next season as well, if he performs well he's not really too far off the level of our current midfielders |
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Post by talyfan on Jun 28, 2021 19:56:46 GMT
For the qualifiers against Estonia and Belarus I wouldn't be adverse to call up the likes of Luke Jephcott and Terry Taylor.
Two young lads with a bit a first team football under their belts.
Jephcott has a good goalscoring record. 18 goals in 45 appearances this season for a below average Plymouth Argyle side in league one.
Taylor, the exact profile of midfielder we're after. Only 19 and gone out to look for senior footy. Good profile, 6 ft 1, central midfielder. Still eligible for Scotland so alterior motives to tie him down. Playing for Burton Albion in League One.
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Post by manulike on Jun 28, 2021 20:07:19 GMT
Such a shite place for a World Cup. A real shame since it will be our star players' last oportunity. Its not often that I disagree with you ... Although I am a strong objector to the Qatari politics and human rights.
Nonetheless, having that location is a massive Fan's Tournament.
All stadia are within 20 miles away from down-town Doha - all within an hour on public transport...
Unlike Azerbaijan - that was a step too far for me, with very recent agendas - Qatar is a place I will look forward to seeing us quality and I have those five weeks earmarked already ;-)
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Post by pendragon on Jun 28, 2021 20:14:09 GMT
I'm still flirting with the idea if I'm honest.. I'd love to go if we qualify. Plus, I'm not a big drinker so the conservative attitudes to alcohol won't bother me, personally.
On another positive note, it'll be a relatively lout-free zone 😁
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