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Post by jbt95 on Nov 2, 2014 16:07:22 GMT
Didn't someone say on here before that the money Sky offered was matched by the EBC but they still opted to renew the Sky deal? For me it's a simple matter of logic, the more people who have access to games, the more people will buy into 'brand Wales' via attending games, buying merchandise which also means more companies will want to sponsor 'brand Wales'. This is why many Welsh football fans in Wales watch England play football but not their own country. Another thing people forget is that the EBC is full of adverts for their own programming, this is why we still sing a song from their adverts at Wales games 20 years later. If Wales qualify for the Euros then it could well be the first time that some of our younger viewers will ever have watched their national team on TV. We did have the Netherlands friendly on BBC though, unsure why. |
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Post by stu on Nov 2, 2014 22:25:13 GMT
The Sky rights only cover the qualifiers.
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Post by jbt95 on Nov 3, 2014 0:38:12 GMT
The Sky rights only cover the qualifiers. We usually have friendlies on sky too though is what I was getting at. |
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Post by walesaway on Nov 3, 2014 10:39:33 GMT
The Coleman appointment was done by a panel, I think it included Jonathan Ford, Trefor Lloyd Hughes and senior Council members etc. I spoke to one of them the day before Coleman was unveiled, he said he wanted to go down the route of a foreign manager, possibly someone who had taken a coaching course with FAW like Marcel Desailly, but the Welsh manager vote won.
I don't think Ford could be fully blamed/take full credit for Coleman.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2014 11:19:23 GMT
The Coleman appointment was done by a panel, I think it included Jonathan Ford, Trefor Lloyd Hughes and senior Council members etc. I spoke to one of them the day before Coleman was unveiled, he said he wanted to go down the route of a foreign manager, possibly someone who had taken a coaching course with FAW like Marcel Desailly, but the Welsh manager vote won. I don't think Ford could be fully blamed/take full credit for Coleman. Thats not exactly any more encouraging. It sounds like the opportunity to manage Gareth Bale is now a prize in the raffle that every FAW trainee coach is entered into once they complete the course. Experience should be a key part of the decision making. International football is very sporadic by nature, there is very little opportunity to learn on the job so you ideally need someone who knows what they are doing from the get go. Perhaps the inclination to go for a manager who has achieved nothing yet is indicative of the sort of budget the FAW have set aside for the manager's job. That may be the real reason Lagerback wasnt hired, Fords line that he talked about himself too much was probably trotted out because he didnt dare reveal that the FAW pay a pittance. |
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Post by walesaway on Nov 3, 2014 11:52:02 GMT
Ironically, since I've been following the national side we've had more success with inexperienced managers; Hughes was a virgin manager and Speed had only been a manger for 4 months. Obviously 2 doesn't make a trend, and the players at their disposal is a key factor.
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Post by llannerch on Nov 3, 2014 13:23:17 GMT
In the early 2000s there was a trend to appoint recently-retired legends - Klinsmann, Rijkaard, Van Basten, Hagi, Staunton, Stoichkov - Hughes was appointed in the same vein. The trend swung back to more senior coaches with Hiddink, Trappatoni, Toshack, Lagerback, Van Gaal, Olsen all in work recently or at present. There are exceptions to this of course
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Post by saints19 on Nov 3, 2014 16:53:02 GMT
I won't ever trust him after the 'there are other ways to measure success' comment. Whilst I have a lot of time for Coleman and kept the faith when everyone wanted him out, I think Ford has got lucky with his appointment. He can't honestly have thought that Coleman would have us in the position we are in. Don't forget he paid £500k (reportedly) to secure Speed when we could reasonably have had him for free had we waited a few months. And turned down Lagerback, who had experience of managing a side to 4 consecutive finals tournaments as part of the Swedish management set-up. I rate him as a marketer and PR/managing director, but his appointments for me fail to grasp the basic truth that if you get the side winning the marketing takes care of itself. However he has managed Coleman's performance fairly effectively, backing him at crucial points but subtly hinting that if things did not improve he would not be around much longer. Overall I still feel Lagerback was the right appointment to make, but there's no doubt we are much better this campaign than last. Ford may well take some questionable credit, in the end, for appointing Coleman. |
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Post by scoop76 on Nov 3, 2014 21:30:07 GMT
Didn't someone say on here before that the money Sky offered was matched by the EBC but they still opted to renew the Sky deal? For me it's a simple matter of logic, the more people who have access to games, the more people will buy into 'brand Wales' via attending games, buying merchandise which also means more companies will want to sponsor 'brand Wales'. This is why many Welsh football fans in Wales watch England play football but not their own country. Another thing people forget is that the EBC is full of adverts for their own programming, this is why we still sing a song from their adverts at Wales games 20 years later. If Wales qualify for the Euros then it could well be the first time that some of our younger viewers will ever have watched their national team on TV. Sky and ITv now own the UK rights for the qualifiers. Deal was agreed centrally with UEFA. The exceptions are England, who have an exclusive deal for live UK rights with ITV, and Wales/Scotland/NIre/RepIre who have an exclusive deal for live UK rights with Sky Sports. The only way we might get *some* of our qualifiers back on terrestrial TV in the UK now is when the exclusive deal expires. But even if thy happens, it's quite likely Sky will retain rights for some of our games, as part of the UEFA deal. |
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Post by scoop76 on Nov 3, 2014 21:32:20 GMT
The Sky rights only cover the qualifiers. We usually have friendlies on sky too though is what I was getting at. Home friendlies on Sky. Rights for away friendlies are allocated on a game by game basis, which is why Netherlands game was live on BBC & Croatia friendly a couple of years ago was on S4C. |
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Post by ch7 on Nov 4, 2014 0:57:44 GMT
Its the law that ALL England games have to be on free to air TV. Disgrace that it doesn't extend to Wales, Scotland and N Ireland
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Post by toshfan on Nov 4, 2014 13:09:38 GMT
Home friendlies on Sky. Rights for away friendlies are allocated on a game by game basis, which is why Netherlands game was live on BBC & Croatia friendly a couple of years ago was on S4C. Is this the case for Away Qualifiers? I thought that Sky had the rights for these too? |
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Post by walesaway on Nov 6, 2014 18:45:44 GMT
Its the law that ALL England games have to be on free to air TV. Disgrace that it doesn't extend to Wales, Scotland and N Ireland Qualifiers aren't on the protected list? |
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Post by scoop76 on Nov 6, 2014 21:23:45 GMT
Its the law that ALL England games have to be on free to air TV. Disgrace that it doesn't extend to Wales, Scotland and N Ireland Qualifiers aren't on the protected list? England qualifiers and friendlies are NOT on the UK "crown jewels" list. Nothing to stop Sky bidding for live rights. |
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Post by scoop76 on Nov 6, 2014 21:24:49 GMT
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Post by toshfan on Jun 8, 2015 13:18:42 GMT
I did not get to listen to the above live as I am in work but will listen to the interview tonight. There is this article online: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/33051398But on twitter, lots of us are getting excited about him talking about a move back. I will not make any judgements until I listen to what he has said in full but get the impression from others that rather than putting his own view across he was talking about the inevitability of a move based on numerous factors. I am still firmly #noreturntomillennium |
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Post by ozziejay8 on Jun 8, 2015 13:28:07 GMT
I did in fact listen to the interview.
I do hope/think that Jon Ford was only trying to please what the radio listeners questions wanted to hear, as a couple of listeners and questions was in favour of millennium stadium.
I also think #noreturntomillennium.. An easy answer for me, also easy answer to the majority of us I would think... Yes we have a cracking following at the moment, but it scares me to think if we started doing badly, we will lose that crowd and end up with 5/10k in the millennium, even at the CCS its demoralising .
Again, bloody no chance would I want to see us back in the Millennium
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Post by E17 on Jun 8, 2015 13:30:35 GMT
Most of the people who are pro Millennium will be the first to desert the side if we where to lose the first 2 qualifiers for the world cup etc leaving us to play in front of 18k at the mill stad again! talk about fickle!!
I'm guessing its the same Johnathon Ford interview, just read an article on the BBC that didn't sit to well with me, Johnathon Ford saying that Sepp Blatter is a decent guy and isn't involved in any dodgy stuff, makes me wonder if the FAW are also up to no good.
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Post by bringbackelmo on Jun 8, 2015 13:32:51 GMT
If we qualify for the Euros I think it's inevitable that the FAW will go after the money that the Millennium could provide. It's very, very risky though. A tough WC group and a bad start would see crowds dwindle.
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Post by rossyjones on Jun 8, 2015 14:20:45 GMT
Atmosphere in the CCS this campaign has been integral. It's gonna be rockin again on Friday. Why chuck it away?
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Post by jbt95 on Jun 8, 2015 14:56:09 GMT
Anybody know what time he was on? Or if anybody can post a link to the program online?
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Post by ozziejay8 on Jun 8, 2015 15:13:17 GMT
Anybody know what time he was on? Or if anybody can post a link to the program online? 12pm-1pm with songs and what have you, interrupting every so often, so wasn't that long of an interview in the end |
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Post by abwales on Jun 8, 2015 15:15:28 GMT
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Post by alarch on Jun 8, 2015 16:21:02 GMT
... just read an article on the BBC that didn't sit to well with me, Johnathon Ford saying that Sepp Blatter is a decent guy and isn't involved in any dodgy stuff, makes me wonder if the FAW are also up to no good. I must admit that was my first response. Why make favourable noises about Blatter now? Ford could have said nothing, or damned with faint praise. As it is he comes across as either being incredibly naive and unworldy, or, alternatively, gives the impression that the FAW have a reason for sucking up to FIFA and Blatter. If the latter is the case then I can't think of a single good reason why that would be so, and plenty of dodgy ones. Any suggestions as to why Ford might have a valid reason for being so supportive of Blatter? |
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Post by scoop76 on Jun 8, 2015 16:53:06 GMT
... just read an article on the BBC that didn't sit to well with me, Johnathon Ford saying that Sepp Blatter is a decent guy and isn't involved in any dodgy stuff, makes me wonder if the FAW are also up to no good. I must admit that was my first response. Why make favourable noises about Blatter now? Ford could have said nothing, or damned with faint praise. As it is he comes across as either being incredibly naive and unworldy, or, alternatively, gives the impression that the FAW have a reason for sucking up to FIFA and Blatter. If the latter is the case then I can't think of a single good reason why that would be so, and plenty of dodgy ones. Any suggestions as to why Ford might have a valid reason for being so supportive of Blatter? Jonathan Ford was head of Coca Cola's marketing campaign for the 2002 World Cup. As such, he probably knows Blatter in a personal capacity. To be fair, the FAW voted AGAINST Blatter in the Presidential vote and Ford said three times in the run up to the vote that it was time for Blatter to go. |
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Post by abwales on Jun 8, 2015 16:55:05 GMT
I thought he answered the question very well. The FAW & Ford like him on a personal level (praised the way he has been with them) and they don't like the way he has run the game (criticized his leadership).
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Post by llannerch on Jun 8, 2015 16:55:50 GMT
The players want to play at the CCS and since they are on the verge of delivering qualification I imagine their preference will carry some weight among the blazers
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Post by scoop76 on Jun 8, 2015 16:57:17 GMT
I've posted about this in another thread, but with UEFA setting the dates for qualifying fixtures now, there is nothing the FAW can do if one or more of our 2018 World Cup or Euro 2020 qualifiers clashes with an event at the Millennium Stadium (eg. Autumn rugby internationals or June rock concerts).
So while Jonathan Ford may have an aspiration to take games back to the Millennium, it doesn't necessarily mean it will be available for every match.
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Post by scoop76 on Jun 8, 2015 16:59:05 GMT
The players want to play at the CCS and since they are on the verge of delivering qualification I imagine their preference will carry some weight among the blazers Who knows what qualifying at CCS might do to people's opinions? If there's a unforgettable night versus Belgium, Israel or Andorra it may be that there is a campaign for us to stay put. |
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Post by llannerch on Jun 8, 2015 17:01:39 GMT
The players want to play at the CCS and since they are on the verge of delivering qualification I imagine their preference will carry some weight among the blazers Who knows what qualifying at CCS might do to people's opinions? If there's a unforgettable night versus Belgium, Israel or Andorra it may be that there is a campaign for us to stay put. I see the point you make, but, seriously, a campaign to keep the status quo? Campaigning for the blindingly obvious? The onus should be on the FAW and those who want a reloction to justify it. If it ain't broke.... |
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