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Post by zombienation on May 21, 2016 11:22:34 GMT
I remember watching the Ireland v Spain game at Euro 2012 on TV and I think that the 20 minute long rendition of Fields of Athenry was one of the best periods of atmosphere I have ever heard at a sporting event - here's a link for those that need a reminder www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZmYv6kDutw.
What will be our equivalent of Fields of Athenry in France? Can we sustain Men of Harlech for such a long time? If we are losing, will all our fans still get behind the team like the Irish did when losing to Spain?
I hope that we create a lasting impression on the watching world with our noise and passion but I don't think the most blinkered of us expect to match the Irish for their overall party atmosphere. One thing that always stands out with them is how they travel in massive numbers but never create any trouble; their idea of a good football trip is to have fun and be merry, in stark contrast to the English and many other countries. Let's hope our contingent follow the Irish mantra and not the others. |
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Post by al on May 21, 2016 11:37:21 GMT
Doubt if we could make it last for twenty minutes, but a repeat performance of 'Hen Wlad' as performed by us at the Belgium game would come close to Ireland's effort. Absolutly spine tingling ! and it really seemed to lift the players, I've seen loads of comments on various forums from people who watched the match on tv and they were full of praise for the volume, passion and emotion of the rendition.
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Post by osprey on May 21, 2016 12:17:59 GMT
Great post zombie nation. I am right behind this!
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Post by gwernybwch on May 21, 2016 13:09:10 GMT
What will be our equivalent of Fields of Athenry in France? Can we sustain Men of Harlech for such a long time? If we are losing, will all our fans still get behind the team like the Irish did when losing to Spain? I can remember Men of Harlech being sustained at Old Trafford versus England (circa. 2004) for twenty minutes plus, so it can be done.
This was despite the Welsh crowd that day - like our support versus Slovakia & Russia is likely to be - had a large contingent of fairweathers / bangwaggoners. I'm guessing that Men of Harlech is probably our best chance as it is not exactly hard to pick up quickly (just hum and clap)!
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Post by londonexile on May 21, 2016 14:44:06 GMT
Given the right crowd we have plenty of songs to create an excellent atmosphere
Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau
Men of Harlech (with words, was song with words by Cardiff away at Wednesday recently)
Calon Lan
Hymns and Arias.
I don't understand why some fans are reluctant to sing Calon Lan and Hymns and Arias as they see them as rugby songs. I don't I see them as welsh songs first and foremost, why should the egg chasers have the monopoly on them.
We also have a few new suggestions which I have heard / seen which I like and hope take off in France.
Diamond Aaron Ramsey
Sing a song for Speedo
Gareth Bales a welsh man etc
As well as the Barry Horns led collection of player / popular music led songs. I can't bloody wait!
I just hope it's not Don't Take me Home for 20 minutes solid, was great on the away trips but a bit tedious now, especially since them lot across the border have now adopted it.
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Post by gwelfryn04 on May 21, 2016 15:08:41 GMT
Hopefully the link works, but Coleman had a dream would be great for this
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Post by damo on May 21, 2016 15:13:11 GMT
Given the right crowd we have plenty of songs to create an excellent atmosphere Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau Men of Harlech (with words, was song with words by Cardiff away at Wednesday recently) Calon Lan Hymns and Arias. I don't understand why some fans are reluctant to sing Calon Lan and Hymns and Arias as they see them as rugby songs. I don't I see them as welsh songs first and foremost, why should the egg chasers have the monopoly on them. We also have a few new suggestions which I have heard / seen which I like and hope take off in France. Diamond Aaron Ramsey Sing a song for Speedo Gareth Bales a welsh man etc As well as the Barry Horns led collection of player / popular music led songs. I can't bloody wait! I just hope it's not Don't Take me Home for 20 minutes solid, was great on the away trips but a bit tedious now, especially since them lot across the border have now adopted it. "Bordeaux's a shit hole,..." Only kidding, some great suggestions in this thread. We might struggle to compete with the Irish in these stakes, but hopefully can do better than the dirge that FoA has become. |
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Post by dlwilliams on May 21, 2016 22:45:59 GMT
Given the right crowd we have plenty of songs to create an excellent atmosphere Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau Men of Harlech (with words, was song with words by Cardiff away at Wednesday recently) Calon Lan Hymns and Arias. I don't understand why some fans are reluctant to sing Calon Lan and Hymns and Arias as they see them as rugby songs. I don't I see them as welsh songs first and foremost, why should the egg chasers have the monopoly on them.
We also have a few new suggestions which I have heard / seen which I like and hope take off in France. Diamond Aaron Ramsey Sing a song for Speedo Gareth Bales a welsh man etc As well as the Barry Horns led collection of player / popular music led songs. I can't bloody wait! I just hope it's not Don't Take me Home for 20 minutes solid, was great on the away trips but a bit tedious now, especially since them lot across the border have now adopted it. Calon Lân isn't a rugby song. I've never heard it sung at a rugby match. It's in Welsh, after all. Hymns and Arias is a rugby song, though, and I'm not especially thrilled about us singing it, I must say. |
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Post by llan123 on May 21, 2016 22:58:47 GMT
Delilah.
Problem with men of Harlech is not many people know the words "du du du du du" Hymns and arias is an egg song about an egg away trip and about the egg game. Also not keen on singing the national anthem during the game (although the euros may warrant it). Awesome against Belgium because it was so spontaneous not so against Northern Ireland in a friendly.
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Post by dlwilliams on May 21, 2016 23:00:26 GMT
Delilah. Problem with men of Harlech is not many people know the words "du du du du du" Hymns and arias is an egg song about an egg away trip and about the egg game. Also not keen on singing the national anthem during the game (although the euros may warrant it). Awesome against Belgium because it was so spontaneous not so against Northern Ireland in a friendly. Same goes for the Israel game in that respect. |
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Post by jbt95 on May 21, 2016 23:00:36 GMT
I guess many fans won't wanna sing Hymns and Arias as it's seen as a 'Swansea' song as well. Recently Men of Harlech has been sang at both home and away Swans matches.
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Post by dlwilliams on May 21, 2016 23:01:44 GMT
I guess many fans won't wanna sing Hymns and Arias as it's seen as a 'Swansea' song as well. Recently Men of Harlech has been sang at both home and away Swans matches. Men of Harlech is also played before Cardiff games, so not exactly like it belongs to one set of fans. |
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Post by jbt95 on May 21, 2016 23:08:50 GMT
I guess many fans won't wanna sing Hymns and Arias as it's seen as a 'Swansea' song as well. Recently Men of Harlech has been sang at both home and away Swans matches. Men of Harlech is also played before Cardiff games, so not exactly like it belongs to one set of fans. Well I had never heard MoH at Swans games before this season because I assume it is seen as a Cardiff song. Apparently it was sung years ago at Swans games though. |
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Post by llan123 on May 21, 2016 23:10:33 GMT
Delilah. Problem with men of Harlech is not many people know the words "du du du du du" Hymns and arias is an egg song about an egg away trip and about the egg game. Also not keen on singing the national anthem during the game (although the euros may warrant it). Awesome against Belgium because it was so spontaneous not so against Northern Ireland in a friendly. Same goes for the Israel game in that respect. Yep, it's been sung once in the first half and once in the second half at some games. Should be reserved for those special occasions like against Belgium. |
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Post by bluetone on May 21, 2016 23:21:47 GMT
I think you'll find Wrexham originally owned / started MoH.
They have their own words to it also.
I'm a Cardiff fan and we shouldn't claim this as originally ours.
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Post by cymruramdcfc on May 22, 2016 5:42:58 GMT
Moh would be good belting out against the white hordes in lille,
Can imagine it like Zulu. Lol
#togetherstronger
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Post by arfonprinceofwales on May 22, 2016 7:58:57 GMT
Men of Harlech aka "Wrexham is the name" has been the unofficial Wrexham song since the late 70s. It was released as a single on the back of our 77/78 promotion winning season.
It was first heard booming out of the tannoy at the Racecousre in the early part of last century. Although it's woven into our fabric it doesn't mean Cardiff or Wales can't latch onto it, that would be small minded and the same goes for hymns and arias. Forget club rivalries, We,re Wales aren't we?
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Post by georgeberrysheadband on May 22, 2016 9:30:12 GMT
Men of Harlech aka "Wrexham is the name" has been the unofficial Wrexham song since the late 70s. It was released as a single on the back of our 77/78 promotion winning season. It was first heard booming out of the tannoy at the Racecousre in the early part of last century. Although it's woven into our fabric it doesn't mean Cardiff or Wales can't latch onto it, that would be small minded and the same goes for hymns and arias. Forget club rivalries, We,re Wales aren't we? This⬆️ country not club. |
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Post by bdintokyo on May 22, 2016 10:48:14 GMT
I remember watching the Ireland v Spain game at Euro 2012 on TV and I think that the 20 minute long rendition of Fields of Athenry was one of the best periods of atmosphere I have ever heard at a sporting event - here's a link for those that need a reminder www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZmYv6kDutw.
What will be our equivalent of Fields of Athenry in France? Can we sustain Men of Harlech for such a long time? If we are losing, will all our fans still get behind the team like the Irish did when losing to Spain?
I hope that we create a lasting impression on the watching world with our noise and passion but I don't think the most blinkered of us expect to match the Irish for their overall party atmosphere. One thing that always stands out with them is how they travel in massive numbers but never create any trouble; their idea of a good football trip is to have fun and be merry, in stark contrast to the English and many other countries. Let's hope our contingent follow the Irish mantra and not the others. I agree with all the main points, but why the attitude that we can't match the atmosphere the Irish create? There is absolutely no reason why we can't do that, and more. It's not a DNA thing; and if it were, we'd presumably be pretty close with our histories and geography. Similarly, the suggestion in another post that there'll be a bunch of "day trippers" potentially tainting the atmosphere is a bit self-defeating. In the run-up to Euro 88, Ireland's average home attendances were lower than 15,000. But come the finals and they took a lot more fans and gained their (deserved) reputation as a great bunch of supporters. That's true of pretty much any team in any tournament. If there is one reason why we won't match the Irish is because we'll be too busy finding ways to divide ourselves. As I say, I agree with the main sentiment - but let's not do ourselves down and negatively compare ourselves to others. And let's not feel we have to force it too much. We are Wales, we're in a first major tournament in 58 years, and we're going to enjoy every bloody minute of it. If we do that, then the rest will come naturally. |
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Post by fireboy0610 on May 22, 2016 11:22:15 GMT
I've lived in england for over 27 years which has made me arguably the most passionate welshman ever;-) i count myself welsh first and swansea second,I'm just starting to crank it up with the people I know by winding them up re the game in lens,they honestly think we have no chance against them and think we 'might' just qualify in 3rd,their attitude towards us is part of the reason why I'm so passionate about being Welsh
As bdintokyo has said there NO reason why we cannot replicate or even outdo the Irish in creating a great atmosphere as I'm certain we will stick together,I can't wait to meet up with you lot in bordeaux
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Post by oscardelta on May 22, 2016 11:58:46 GMT
" In the run-up to Euro 88, Ireland's average home attendances were lower than 15,000. But come the finals and they took a lot more fans and gained their (deserved) reputation as a great bunch of supporters. That's true of pretty much any team in any tournament. If there is one reason why we won't match the Irish is because we'll be too busy finding ways to divide ourselves."
Cough Cough we had the reputation well before that.
In Japan 02 at the Saudi Arabia game we sang "Arigato Nippon" (Thank you Japan) during that game and a Japanese guy said after the game he cried hearing we all singing it and really made them feel they had done well. Single question I got asked most by Japanese people was "Do I like Japan and what will I tell people at home about Japan".
In France 2004 we played France in a qualifier in Stade de France and had 40,000 minimum in the stadium, French friend got his mate to get me tickets and guy refused payment because Paris was so alive that weekend with our fans plus hearing 40,000 Irish fans singing La Marseillaise was out of this world.
Forget who you support at home, that has no relevance you there supporting Wales.
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Post by oscardelta on May 22, 2016 12:00:21 GMT
I've lived in england for over 27 years which has made me arguably the most passionate welshman ever;-) i count myself welsh first and swansea second,I'm just starting to crank it up with the people I know by winding them up re the game in lens,they honestly think we have no chance against them and think we 'might' just qualify in 3rd,their attitude towards us is part of the reason why I'm so passionate about being Welsh As bdintokyo has said there NO reason why we cannot replicate or even outdo the Irish in creating a great atmosphere as I'm certain we will stick together,I can't wait to meet up with you lot in bordeaux Remind England fans in 88 they were going to win the tournament easily, Ireland's first ever tournament and we beat them 1-0. |
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Post by bdintokyo on Jul 9, 2016 4:45:01 GMT
I thought it was worth resurrecting this thread just to remind ourselves that before the tournament not even we knew how things might turn out - on and off the pitch.
The Red Wall and the plaudits from the locals, the commentators and the world's press almost feel cliched now, but WE made that, even as some doubted that we - little old Wales - would ever be able to match the Irish or any other set of supporters.
As well as all my hopes and fears about how the team would play, I was concerned that a) some fans would try to wind up England and Russia (and end up looking like typical Brits abroad), and b) the atmosphere would be diluted by bandwagoners. But instead we showed the world the best possible side of our nation.
So... Well done us!
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Post by scoop76 on Jul 9, 2016 5:07:12 GMT
I thought it was worth resurrecting this thread just to remind ourselves that before the tournament not even we knew how things might turn out - on and off the pitch. The Red Wall and the plaudits from the locals, the commentators and the world's press almost feel cliched now, but WE made that, even as some doubted that we - little old Wales - would ever be able to match the Irish or any other set of supporters. As well as all my hopes and fears about how the team would play, I was concerned that a) some fans would try to wind up England and Russia (and end up looking like typical Brits abroad), and b) the atmosphere would be diluted by bandwagoners. But instead we showed the world the best possible side of our nation. So... Well done us! Seconded- well done everyone. I thought Slovakia, Russia and Belgium were the best games for atmosphere. Much harder to get chants and songs going in Lyon compared to Bordeaux and Toulouse. Seemed to be because fewer people knew the words, or if they did just want to join in. The last 15 minutes of singing in Lyon was superb mind, as was the Speedo chant that echoed off the roof. Just a pity we took a while to get into full voice. |
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