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Post by vaulksthrowfanclub on Apr 1, 2021 13:35:11 GMT
Now time to predict our 2030 WC team Barden Neco-Rodon-Ampadu-Huggins Burton-Smith Wilson-Tyler-Brennan Norton Ewing will be CM imo, injuries permitting of course. Class act. I’ll go Darlow Keelan Rodon Ampadu Neco Ewing Smith Brennan Brooksy Raymond Popov . JK, not too sure on keepers, as they’re still growing. I’ll go for Max Williams (height permitting). No pressure kids! |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Apr 1, 2021 18:28:17 GMT
Now time to predict our 2030 WC team Barden Neco-Rodon-Ampadu-Huggins Burton-Smith Wilson-Tyler-Brennan Norton Ewing will be CM imo, injuries permitting of course. Class act. I’ll go Darlow Keelan Rodon Ampadu Neco Ewing Smith Brennan Brooksy Raymond Popov . JK, not too sure on keepers, as they’re still growing. I’ll go for Max Williams (height permitting). No pressure kids! Don't know much about Ewing - why is it that you're certain? Brooks will be 32 by then, and I think injuries will have caught up with him Raymond I had considered but again don't know a lot about. I think Fin Stevens I should have included as well |
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Post by biwmares on Apr 1, 2021 19:06:13 GMT
Now time to predict our 2030 WC team Barden Neco-Rodon-Ampadu-Huggins Burton-Smith Wilson-Tyler-Brennan Norton Ewing will be CM imo, injuries permitting of course. Class act. I’ll go Darlow Keelan Rodon Ampadu Neco Ewing Smith Brennan Brooksy Raymond Popov . JK, not too sure on keepers, as they’re still growing. I’ll go for Max Williams (height permitting). No pressure kids! Agree Max Williams for goalkeeper the un written law is that the goalkeeper has to be from North Wales. Charlie Savage and Rhys Hughes who is having a great season at Everton in midfield. Nathan Broadhead is an outside bet he is regularly making the first team matchday squad at Everton and Ben Woodburn an outstanding talent. |
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Post by vaulksthrowfanclub on Apr 1, 2021 19:41:26 GMT
Ewing will be CM imo, injuries permitting of course. Class act. I’ll go Darlow Keelan Rodon Ampadu Neco Ewing Smith Brennan Brooksy Raymond Popov . JK, not too sure on keepers, as they’re still growing. I’ll go for Max Williams (height permitting). No pressure kids! Don't know much about Ewing - why is it that you're certain? Brooks will be 32 by then, and I think injuries will have caught up with him Raymond I had considered but again don't know a lot about. I think Fin Stevens I should have included as well I think Ewing’s highly thought of in the set-up, at 17 playing for Leicester’s u23s fairly regularly. Particularly impressive as he’s come back from a fairly long injury lay-off recently. Held is own vs Chelsea u23s and I think I recall him being highlighted by The Guardian a year back as one for the future. Fair point on Brooks, can’t seem to catch a break poor sod. I’m going off the hype from the Palace fans with regard to Raymond- think he’s had his fair share of injuries too Totally forgot about Stevens, good shout. |
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Post by wirralwelsh on Apr 1, 2021 20:08:48 GMT
I'm hoping we don't have 8 'anglos' in our starting line up in 2030 or we might as well be England B. It seems Raymond has scarcely played for Palace youth team at all (four sub appearances all season. What's the justification for thinking he'll make an international player?
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Post by talyfan on Apr 2, 2021 7:56:09 GMT
Too far ahead to predict an entire starting 11 for 2030 in my opinion.
There'll be kids who are 9 or 10 years old now who could play for that 2030 team.
Put it this way, you could probably take a stab at maybe five or six players in the Starting XI who you are familiar with now.
Take when we beat Norway 4-1 almost 10 years ago. Those that started that game that have been recently called up in 2021 are Hennessey, Gunter, Allen, Bale and Ramsey.
If I'm taking a stab at it. The 5 I'd feel are likely to feature in a Wales starting XI in 2030 would be Rodon, Ampadu, Neco, Matt Smith, Dan Barden.
The rest of the starting XI I wouldn't have a clue.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Apr 2, 2021 8:34:15 GMT
I'm hoping we don't have 8 'anglos' in our starting line up in 2030 or we might as well be England B. It seems Raymond has scarcely played for Palace youth team at all (four sub appearances all season. What's the justification for thinking he'll make an international player? If they choose to represent Wales they are Welsh I don't care that Norrington-Davies was born in Saudi Arabia, I don't care that Matondo was born in Liverpool, I don't care that Ashley Williams was born in Wolves. They all showed passion wearing the shirt, they all sung the anthem & their all as Welsh as each other once they choose to represent Wales I have a nephew who was born and lived the first 2 years of his life in Bath, he will soon be moving back to Ceredigion and will be a fluent Welsh speaker - is he an Anglo because he happened to be born somewhere else? It's just not something I even think about when it comes to our players. You either choose to represent Wales or you don't see yourself as Welsh |
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Post by quetzal on Apr 2, 2021 10:37:42 GMT
Lets just play by the rules of FIFA. Look at rugby where there are ‘project players’. Seems to be a lot of South Africans and Kiwi’s in the 6 Nations. If your parents are Welsh then you’re Welsh! It’s simple. Grandparent is bit dodgy but it’s a rule. I have no problem with it.
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Post by walesgolfmadrid on Apr 2, 2021 11:04:48 GMT
2030's very hard to call. 2026 I'll give a go, even though as has been said there's every chance there'll be players starting for us at that stage who are 14 now.
GK: D. Barden
CB: J. Rodon
CB: E. Ampadu
RB: N. Williams
LB: B. Davies (C)
CM: M. Smith
CM: F. Stevens
RM: B. Johnson
LM: D. Brooks
AM: R. Hughes
ST: T. Roberts
Subs:
D. Ward
R. Astley
C. Roberts
R. Burton
C. Campbell
P. Jones
L. Jepchott
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Post by fiveattheback on Apr 2, 2021 19:01:29 GMT
2030's very hard to call. 2026 I'll give a go, even though as has been said there's every chance there'll be players starting for us at that stage who are 14 now. GK: D. Barden CB: J. Rodon CB: E. Ampadu RB: N. Williams LB: B. Davies (C) CM: M. Smith CM: F. Stevens RM: B. Johnson LM: D. Brooks AM: R. Hughes ST: T. Roberts Subs: D. Ward R. Astley C. Roberts R. Burton C. Campbell P. Jones L. Jepchott Dan James will be 28 & Harry Wilson 29. I imagine they'll quite easily be squad members |
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Post by wirralwelsh on Apr 3, 2021 0:39:01 GMT
If they choose to represent Wales they are Welsh I don't care that Norrington-Davies was born in Saudi Arabia, I don't care that Matondo was born in Liverpool, I don't care that Ashley Williams was born in Wolves. They all showed passion wearing the shirt, they all sung the anthem & their all as Welsh as each other once they choose to represent Wales I have a nephew who was born and lived the first 2 years of his life in Bath, he will soon be moving back to Ceredigion and will be a fluent Welsh speaker - is he an Anglo because he happened to be born somewhere else? It's just not something I even think about when it comes to our players. You either choose to represent Wales or you don't see yourself as Welsh No your nephew would have a Welsh identity through his upbringing and presumably immediate family. That's not the same as happening to have had a grandparent having a Welsh town on their birth certificate. If we were actually an independent country would these players even qualify for Wales given UK and many other countries don't confer citizenship through grandparentage? Its only though having a UK passport they get round this. Being a small country its understandable the FAW invest a lot of effort looking to supplement our player pool through foreign born players but there gets a point where picking seven or so granny rule players in a line up it ceases to be a Welsh team but merely one qualified to play for Wales, whether they can learn to sing an anthem or not. We've always had a core of outstanding Welsh born and or raised players to build a team around at least so hopefully this can continue |
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Post by squatter1 on Apr 3, 2021 8:36:49 GMT
Welsh identity can be drawn from many sources - you might be born in Scotland, but your parents are Welsh and bring you up as such.
Your parents might be Congolese but because you grew up in Wales you consider yourself Welsh.
You might have a Welsh grandparent, and born in Wales, and even though you grew up in England you’ve always considered yourself Welsh cos one of your parents insisted.
All of these reasons are equally valid to be part of the Welsh nation. It’s the self- identification element that’s the most important: if you love Wales and want to be part of the nation, you can.
Curiously, several of our recent players were certainly not ‘Welsh’ when they joined the squad.
Ashley Williams was in no way ‘Welsh’ when he was called up. He had never for a second considered himself ‘Welsh’ in his life before then (by his own admission). He was English, that’s it. But then he moved to Swansea, learned the anthem, got the armband etc etc and ended up loving wales and feeling Welsh. Great story and he is of course welcome into the fold. But don’t try kidding yourself he was ‘Welsh’ all along.
Football shows that whatever the racial supremacists might wish for, nationality in the modern world is about cultural affinity, not dna.
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Post by welwyn on Apr 7, 2021 10:14:38 GMT
I only have one Welsh Grandparent but I consider myself Welsh and always have.
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Post by conwy10 on Apr 7, 2021 18:55:30 GMT
Does anyone else think that eventually you won’t need any connection to the country at all to play for the country? The way the world is changing I think it could be a possibility.
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Post by welshrover on Apr 7, 2021 23:01:33 GMT
Does anyone else think that eventually you won’t need any connection to the country at all to play for the country? The way the world is changing I think it could be a possibility. Sadly I fear you are correct, especially with the five year rule and so many promising African youngsters being at academies of "top clubs" from a young age. |
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Post by fiveattheback on Apr 8, 2021 10:28:41 GMT
Does anyone else think that eventually you won’t need any connection to the country at all to play for the country? The way the world is changing I think it could be a possibility. Sadly I fear you are correct, especially with the five year rule and so many promising African youngsters being at academies of "top clubs" from a young age.Wouldn't that mean they're already covered by current rules? |
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Post by conwy10 on Apr 8, 2021 12:18:46 GMT
I think it could eventually turn into “I’ve lived in Wales for a year, who are you to tell me I’m not Welsh?”
I don’t mind the grandparent rule but I think it should be the limit. I also seen England were willing to scrap our agreement to try to get the Brighton keeper.
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Post by welshrover on Apr 8, 2021 12:40:15 GMT
Sadly I fear you are correct, especially with the five year rule and so many promising African youngsters being at academies of "top clubs" from a young age.Wouldn't that mean they're already covered by current rules? Yes I am sure you are right, however for me a lad born and bred in say Sierra Leone who spends five years at say Man City academy is still to me a Sierra Leone person with no ties to England. There were quite a few examples of this in some on England's underage teams recently. From my point of view it is robbing the better players from some of these countries so we have a "rich get richer, poor get poorer" situation but in a footballing term. |
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Post by dai on Apr 8, 2021 12:59:22 GMT
I think it could eventually turn into “I’ve lived in Wales for a year, who are you to tell me I’m not Welsh?” I don’t mind the grandparent rule but I think it should be the limit. I also seen England were willing to scrap our agreement to try to get the Brighton keeper. I agree. I find the residential rule in rugby absolutely ridiculous for example. For me, the grandparent rule should be the limit for adult players - does great grandparents count? If not, then that should be. Regarding the educational 5 year rule. I don't mind that, because if you are a child that moved to Wales at a very young age (Primary eg) then there's a good chance that child will grow up 'feeling' Welsh and if attending a Welsh school, even speak the language. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Apr 8, 2021 18:01:59 GMT
Yeah the 5 year rule before the age of 16 makes sense. It means that someone like Michael Owen that lived all his life in Wales would actually be eligible - it seems to make sense from that perspective
As for future changes I can't see it personally. The rules for us are in place because we self-impose them. Countries like Germany have loose residential rules, but we choose not to. The reasons I can't see us changing them are 1) Because we're a traditional FA - 2) Identity is important to our setup, and if we had a ton of players who hadn't bought into our identity it would undermine us
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Post by fiveattheback on Apr 8, 2021 19:38:39 GMT
Wouldn't that mean they're already covered by current rules? There were quite a few examples of this in some on England's underage teams recently. From my point of view it is robbing the better players from some of these countries so we have a "rich get richer, poor get poorer" situation but in a footballing term. Depends though, I'm sure if I'd moved to, say, Germany at 11/12 years old I'd feel pretty German. If they've been at Man City's academy long enough to qualify for England, wouldn't they have joined at 11 at the latest? Robert Earnshaw moved to Wales when he was 10, does that mean he isn't Welsh? If anything the youth residency rules is more likely to produce players with stronger ties. Let's not kid ourselves by pretending that a lot of our players who qualify through grandparents considered themselves Welsh growing up |
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Post by welshrover on Apr 8, 2021 21:16:19 GMT
Yes I am sure you are right, however for me a lad born and bred in say Sierra Leone who spends five years at say Man City academy is still to me a Sierra Leone person with no ties to England.There were quite a few examples of this in some on England's underage teams recently. From my point of view it is robbing the better players from some of these countries so we have a "rich get richer, poor get poorer" situation but in a footballing term. Depends though, I'm sure if I'd moved to, say, Germany at 11/12 years old I'd feel pretty German. If they've been at Man City's academy long enough to qualify for England, wouldn't they have joined at 11 at the latest? Robert Earnshaw moved to Wales when he was 10, does that mean he isn't Welsh? If anything the youth residency rules is more likely to produce players with stronger ties. Let's not kid ourselves by pretending that a lot of our players who qualify through grandparents considered themselves Welsh growing up Five, I moved to England at age 10 and trust me it's something I could never feel 😄 |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 24, 2023 10:12:24 GMT
Now time to predict our 2030 WC team Barden Neco-Rodon-Ampadu-Huggins Burton-Smith Wilson-Tyler-Brennan Norton Forget this prediction! Predicting 9 years ahead was a terrible idea and so was making a prediction mid-cycle! I think the best time to post a prediction is when you're at the beginning of a new era. So here we go, I'll try and predict it for 4/5 years ahead as the OP did, to the beginning of the 2028 campaign... Ward Neco-Ampadu-Turns-Davies JJ-Taylor Brooks-L.Harris-Brennan Morgan Rest of squad: O.Evans, Connor, Popov, Mepham, Cabango, RND, Wilson, Morrell, O.Cooper, Broadhead, Crew, Colwill, Howley, Savage, Biancheri |
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Post by gimli on Mar 24, 2023 11:11:48 GMT
I really hope we'll have managed to find another keeper by 2028. It will be a pretty sorry state of affairs if nobody displaces Ward over then next 4 or 5 years. I'll have a pop at a lineup: Beach
Mepham Ampadu RND
Neco Savage Crew Beck
Harris
Brennan Biancheri Ben Davies will be 33 or 34 by then, so will probably still be playing club football, but based on all the recent retirements I'd say there's a good chance he won't still be playing for us at that point. Maybe he'll be a squad player similar to Gunter. Regarding Mepham, he and Rodon will both be about 29/30, but I doubt both will still first choice starters by then. I think Mepham is the slightly better player so I've given him the nod, but it could very easily be Rodon. I expect whoever isn't first choice will still be in and around the squad though. |
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Post by bale-droed on Mar 24, 2023 13:10:40 GMT
I really hope we'll have managed to find another keeper by 2028. It will be a pretty sorry state of affairs if nobody displaces Ward over then next 4 or 5 years. I'll have a pop at a lineup: Beach
Mepham Ampadu RND
Neco Savage Crew Beck
Harris
Brennan Biancheri Ben Davies will be 33 or 34 by then, so will probably still be playing club football, but based on all the recent retirements I'd say there's a good chance he won't still be playing for us at that point. Maybe he'll be a squad player similar to Gunter. Regarding Mepham, he and Rodon will both be about 29/30, but I doubt both will still first choice starters by then. I think Mepham is the slightly better player so I've given him the nod, but it could very easily be Rodon. I expect whoever isn't first choice will still be in and around the squad though. Unless Iwan Morgan has a careering ending injury there’s 0 chance he’s not starting for us imo. This is serious talent we’re talking about. At least Brennan level. By 28 I can see Brennan starting at man city and Iwan at another top 6 premiership team. I know it’s big words but that’s the fun of a prediction game rite? I like the fact you still have faith in owen beck that’s good to see. In regards to keeper Lewys Benjamin will be 21/22 by then so hopefully an emerging talent in the championship. |
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Post by mortillsy on Mar 24, 2023 16:24:31 GMT
I really hope we'll have managed to find another keeper by 2028. It will be a pretty sorry state of affairs if nobody displaces Ward over then next 4 or 5 years. I'll have a pop at a lineup: Beach
Mepham Ampadu RND
Neco Savage Crew Beck
Harris
Brennan Biancheri Ben Davies will be 33 or 34 by then, so will probably still be playing club football, but based on all the recent retirements I'd say there's a good chance he won't still be playing for us at that point. Maybe he'll be a squad player similar to Gunter. Regarding Mepham, he and Rodon will both be about 29/30, but I doubt both will still first choice starters by then. I think Mepham is the slightly better player so I've given him the nod, but it could very easily be Rodon. I expect whoever isn't first choice will still be in and around the squad though. Unless Iwan Morgan has a careering ending injury there’s 0 chance he’s not starting for us imo. This is serious talent we’re talking about. At least Brennan level. By 28 I can see Brennan starting at man city and Iwan at another top 6 premiership team. I know it’s big words but that’s the fun of a prediction game rite? I like the fact you still have faith in owen beck that’s good to see. In regards to keeper Lewys Benjamin will be 21/22 by then so hopefully an emerging talent in the championship. I respect this … my team; Benjamin Neco Ampadu Turns DaSilva Crew JJ Harris Brennan Morgan Biancheri Tempted to go for a wildcard like Jadan Raymond, Ashley Phillips or Harry Jewitt-White, but I think think this is maverick enough. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 24, 2023 18:30:48 GMT
If anyone displaces Danny Ward I think it will be Owen Evans
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 24, 2023 18:33:21 GMT
I really hope we'll have managed to find another keeper by 2028. It will be a pretty sorry state of affairs if nobody displaces Ward over then next 4 or 5 years. I'll have a pop at a lineup: Beach
Mepham Ampadu RND
Neco Savage Crew Beck
Harris
Brennan Biancheri Ben Davies will be 33 or 34 by then, so will probably still be playing club football, but based on all the recent retirements I'd say there's a good chance he won't still be playing for us at that point. Maybe he'll be a squad player similar to Gunter. Regarding Mepham, he and Rodon will both be about 29/30, but I doubt both will still first choice starters by then. I think Mepham is the slightly better player so I've given him the nod, but it could very easily be Rodon. I expect whoever isn't first choice will still be in and around the squad though. Unless Iwan Morgan has a careering ending injury there’s 0 chance he’s not starting for us imo. This is serious talent we’re talking about. At least Brennan level. By 28 I can see Brennan starting at man city and Iwan at another top 6 premiership team. I know it’s big words but that’s the fun of a prediction game rite? I like the fact you still have faith in owen beck that’s good to see. In regards to keeper Lewys Benjamin will be 21/22 by then so hopefully an emerging talent in the championship. Have you seen much of Iwan Morgan? Only heard of him recently and he performed very well the other day apparently Is there a reason you think he'll be as good as Brennan? Re: Brennan - interesting he was recently linked to Man City as a replacement for Mahrez. What a move that would be for Welsh football! |
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Post by redwallnews on Mar 24, 2023 19:03:09 GMT
Omari definitely be in the mix.
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Post by dylanjunecymru on Mar 24, 2023 20:02:57 GMT
Eddie Beach/ Owen Evans
Neco- Ash Phillips- Callum Doyle- Ed Turns
Ampadu (C)- Harris/Crew
Biancheri
Brennan- Morgan- Omari
Can see Ed turns breaking into the Brighton team maybe developing into a player like Ben white perhaps playing an inverted FB role as it’s getting more an more popular. Hearing Callum doyle of Man City on loan at Coventry is eligible for us he’s a very solid centre half only 19 playing regular championship (will need DS to confirm). Also think ash phillips will end up playing for us if I’m being honest, only 17 and looks a good player. For GK lewys Benjamin could also be a shout, moving to Man City from cardiff according to fabrizio romano had a lot of top clubs looking at him.
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