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Wrexham
Dec 3, 2019 13:46:17 GMT
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Post by erasedcitizen on Dec 3, 2019 13:46:17 GMT
I've just looked at the table. Wow, no wonder it's so hard to compete. Yeovil, Torquay, Notts County, Stockport, Hartlepool, Barnet, Chesterfield, Wrexham. I really hope you turn things around, you don't seem to be getting hammered 4-0 etc, so maybe a hanfull of quality signings/loans in January will sort things out on the pitch. Liam Cullen from Swans u23s worth trying to get him involved? Chris Dawson is starring for Scarborough Athletic this season, had a lot of MOTM awards, not sure if it would be possible to get him in.... He was highly rated at Leeds Utd but bad knee injuries got in the way. Very creative attacking midfielder, could bring a bit of a spark/creativity. Don't throw any Welsh youth players our way, we'd ruin them. Harris can't get on the pitch here despite us being bottom.
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Post by robin1864 on Dec 3, 2019 17:49:09 GMT
I've just looked at the table. Wow, no wonder it's so hard to compete. Yeovil, Torquay, Notts County, Stockport, Hartlepool, Barnet, Chesterfield, Wrexham. I really hope you turn things around, you don't seem to be getting hammered 4-0 etc, so maybe a hanfull of quality signings/loans in January will sort things out on the pitch. Liam Cullen from Swans u23s worth trying to get him involved? Chris Dawson is starring for Scarborough Athletic this season, had a lot of MOTM awards, not sure if it would be possible to get him in.... He was highly rated at Leeds Utd but bad knee injuries got in the way. Very creative attacking midfielder, could bring a bit of a spark/creativity. Don't throw any Welsh youth players our way, we'd ruin them. Harris can't get on the pitch here despite us being bottom. I don't even think Harris is that bad. Keates clearly has an issue with attacking players and scoring goals, the rumour mill has it that he's fallen out with/pissed off JJ Hooper, took him to Ibrox and kept him on the bench to teach him a "lesson".
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Post by erasedcitizen on Dec 3, 2019 18:00:51 GMT
Don't throw any Welsh youth players our way, we'd ruin them. Harris can't get on the pitch here despite us being bottom. I don't even think Harris is that bad. Keates clearly has an issue with attacking players and scoring goals, the rumour mill has it that he's fallen out with/pissed off JJ Hooper, took him to Ibrox and kept him on the bench to teach him a "lesson". Harris looked a class above in his first few games, but it looks to be a toxic dressing room at the moment. On top of this, fans are arguing regularly and the board aren't communicating often enough and are desperately clinging on to power. We're rotten to the core right now.
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Post by arfonprinceofwales on Dec 3, 2019 18:54:08 GMT
Reality check. Football club boards the world over get managerial appointments wrong, and yes we’ve messed up in the 12 months since Ricketts left is high and dry, wasn’t a bad appointment was he? The current board has around 8 or 9 years experience of running a football club, you can’t replace that easily. Dealing with the local council, the WAG and other organisations as well as dealing with player contracts etc etc. Again not easily replicated. Building up broken relationships with local businesses after the previous “owners” left them out of pocket for failure to pay bills. The current board have done a damn good job of turning a basket case club with close on a million quid of debt into a small profit earning club. They’ve made mistake and will make more mistakes along the way, which club doesn’t? but they’re learning, sometimes the hard way. Ideas of investment waiting in the wings i find unlikely but even there were, there’s no guarantees it would make much difference.
Personally I’d like to see a couple of additions to the current board, fresh input, new ideas that may of not been thought of before.
As for being rotten to the core. Behave.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Dec 3, 2019 19:00:25 GMT
Reality check. Football club boards the world over get managerial appointments wrong, and yes we’ve messed up in the 12 months since Ricketts left is high and dry, wasn’t a bad appointment was he? The current board has around 8 or 9 years experience of running a football club, you can’t replace that easily. Dealing with the local council, the WAG and other organisations as well as dealing with player contracts etc etc. Again not easily replicated. Building up broken relationships with local businesses after the previous “owners” left them out of pocket for failure to pay bills. The current board have done a damn good job of turning a basket case club with close on a million quid of debt into a small profit earning club. They’ve made mistake and will make more mistakes along the way, which club doesn’t? but they’re learning, sometimes the hard way. Ideas of investment waiting in the wings i find unlikely but even there were, there’s no guarantees it would make much difference. Personally I’d like to see a couple of additions to the current board, fresh input, new ideas that may of not been thought of before. As for being rotten to the core. Behave. Pete? Spencer? Which WST board member am I speaking to here? We're bottom of the league and are in major trouble if we go down. Give yourself a reality check, as well as giving your head a wobble.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Dec 3, 2019 20:05:24 GMT
1-0 up, GERRIN!
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Post by erasedcitizen on Dec 3, 2019 20:27:29 GMT
It's 2!
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Post by erasedcitizen on Dec 3, 2019 21:45:36 GMT
Papering over cracks, but those are 3 vital points. Gerrin!
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Wrexham
Dec 4, 2019 20:17:13 GMT
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Post by conwy10 on Dec 4, 2019 20:17:13 GMT
Reality check. Football club boards the world over get managerial appointments wrong, and yes we’ve messed up in the 12 months since Ricketts left is high and dry, wasn’t a bad appointment was he? The current board has around 8 or 9 years experience of running a football club, you can’t replace that easily. Dealing with the local council, the WAG and other organisations as well as dealing with player contracts etc etc. Again not easily replicated. Building up broken relationships with local businesses after the previous “owners” left them out of pocket for failure to pay bills. The current board have done a damn good job of turning a basket case club with close on a million quid of debt into a small profit earning club. They’ve made mistake and will make more mistakes along the way, which club doesn’t? but they’re learning, sometimes the hard way. Ideas of investment waiting in the wings i find unlikely but even there were, there’s no guarantees it would make much difference. Personally I’d like to see a couple of additions to the current board, fresh input, new ideas that may of not been thought of before. As for being rotten to the core. Behave. Whilst it is true, they accomplished most of this years ago when there was more opinions on the board. I thought they did a good job until recently, last few years has been horrendous, same time the Harris dictatorship took full control. Recruitment of managers has been awful. Ricketts was a good one to be fair, but a broken clock is right twice a day. Throwing out 3 year contracts to people with no experience, short term solutions or sketchy pasts isn’t the best idea. If they have 8 years valuable experience why were we bottom of the league at the half way stage? Surely we’d be making progress as a club, seems more like managed decline. Are they learning from their mistakes? Moved Davies to manager after Keates... failure. Done exactly the same the next season with Barrow... failure. Hopefully they learn from their mistakes this year and not bring in 2 injured strikers in in January, one that required surgery, but still they offered Smith a new contract when he needed surgery so maybe that’s the way forward.
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Post by arfonprinceofwales on Dec 4, 2019 21:05:42 GMT
Reality check. Football club boards the world over get managerial appointments wrong, and yes we’ve messed up in the 12 months since Ricketts left is high and dry, wasn’t a bad appointment was he? The current board has around 8 or 9 years experience of running a football club, you can’t replace that easily. Dealing with the local council, the WAG and other organisations as well as dealing with player contracts etc etc. Again not easily replicated. Building up broken relationships with local businesses after the previous “owners” left them out of pocket for failure to pay bills. The current board have done a damn good job of turning a basket case club with close on a million quid of debt into a small profit earning club. They’ve made mistake and will make more mistakes along the way, which club doesn’t? but they’re learning, sometimes the hard way. Ideas of investment waiting in the wings i find unlikely but even there were, there’s no guarantees it would make much difference. Personally I’d like to see a couple of additions to the current board, fresh input, new ideas that may of not been thought of before. As for being rotten to the core. Behave. Whilst it is true, they accomplished most of this years ago when there was more opinions on the board. I thought they did a good job until recently, last few years has been horrendous, same time the Harris dictatorship took full control. Recruitment of managers has been awful. Ricketts was a good one to be fair, but a broken clock is right twice a day. Throwing out 3 year contracts to people with no experience, short term solutions or sketchy pasts isn’t the best idea. If they have 8 years valuable experience why were we bottom of the league at the half way stage? Surely we’d be making progress as a club, seems more like managed decline. Are they learning from their mistakes? Moved Davies to manager after Keates... failure. Done exactly the same the next season with Barrow... failure. Hopefully they learn from their mistakes this year and not bring in 2 injured strikers in in January, one that required surgery, but still they offered Smith a new contract when he needed surgery so maybe that’s the way forward. Despite last seasons turmoil we reached the play off by a clear 17 points despite folk predicting we’d bottle it during our January lean spell when we failed to win a game. In fact we were only out of the top four for one week all season. Yes 8 years experience, a board is judged on off the field matters as much as on field matters, more so these days. It’s no good doing a Macclesfield, their days are numbered. So yes we’re making progress in one of the important factors of running a club. Get it right on the pitch and who knows how far we’ll go.
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Post by arfonprinceofwales on Dec 4, 2019 21:06:36 GMT
Reality check. Football club boards the world over get managerial appointments wrong, and yes we’ve messed up in the 12 months since Ricketts left is high and dry, wasn’t a bad appointment was he? The current board has around 8 or 9 years experience of running a football club, you can’t replace that easily. Dealing with the local council, the WAG and other organisations as well as dealing with player contracts etc etc. Again not easily replicated. Building up broken relationships with local businesses after the previous “owners” left them out of pocket for failure to pay bills. The current board have done a damn good job of turning a basket case club with close on a million quid of debt into a small profit earning club. They’ve made mistake and will make more mistakes along the way, which club doesn’t? but they’re learning, sometimes the hard way. Ideas of investment waiting in the wings i find unlikely but even there were, there’s no guarantees it would make much difference. Personally I’d like to see a couple of additions to the current board, fresh input, new ideas that may of not been thought of before. As for being rotten to the core. Behave. Pete? Spencer? Which WST board member am I speaking to here? We're bottom of the league and are in major trouble if we go down. Give yourself a reality check, as well as giving your head a wobble. Which part is incorrect.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Dec 4, 2019 21:55:37 GMT
Pete? Spencer? Which WST board member am I speaking to here? We're bottom of the league and are in major trouble if we go down. Give yourself a reality check, as well as giving your head a wobble. Which part is incorrect. A lot of what you said is correct, that doesn't mean it's incredibly one sided. I could've dealt with you bringing a fresh impetus to the debate but you soured it by telling me to behave for a comment I made, which I still believe to be true. Make no mistake, last nights' result was fantastic but we still sit in the drop zone despite being one of the favourites to go up. That was based off us hiring a manager with next to no experience, who was clearly out of his depth. Nobody, aside from a few lunatics saw it as a good appointment and everyone was proven right when he built this shite team in the summer. Nobody wanted Graham Barrow hired either but we went with him, and he obviously tanked our promotion hopes that season and wasted a load of money hiring an alcoholic to be his number 2. Ricketts was an anomaly but the board couldn't keep him here either, probably because of how unprofessional our setup is. We're profit making because we don't spend any money on the things that matter. We are a football club and should be trying to compete at the highest possible level but it's as if a number of fans have settled for non-league football.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Dec 4, 2019 21:57:57 GMT
That was a long paragraph that probably descended into a rant more than anything. I had to cut it short, but I could go on about the board's ineptitude all day.
I haven't included the fact they've alienated club legends as well as the disabled supporters association, their inability to take on constructive criticism and ignoring advice from the Trust's founding chairman.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Dec 4, 2019 21:58:57 GMT
Whilst it is true, they accomplished most of this years ago when there was more opinions on the board. I thought they did a good job until recently, last few years has been horrendous, same time the Harris dictatorship took full control. Recruitment of managers has been awful. Ricketts was a good one to be fair, but a broken clock is right twice a day. Throwing out 3 year contracts to people with no experience, short term solutions or sketchy pasts isn’t the best idea. If they have 8 years valuable experience why were we bottom of the league at the half way stage? Surely we’d be making progress as a club, seems more like managed decline. Are they learning from their mistakes? Moved Davies to manager after Keates... failure. Done exactly the same the next season with Barrow... failure. Hopefully they learn from their mistakes this year and not bring in 2 injured strikers in in January, one that required surgery, but still they offered Smith a new contract when he needed surgery so maybe that’s the way forward. Despite last seasons turmoil we reached the play off by a clear 17 points despite folk predicting we’d bottle it during our January lean spell when we failed to win a game. In fact we were only out of the top four for one week all season. Yes 8 years experience, a board is judged on off the field matters as much as on field matters, more so these days. It’s no good doing a Macclesfield, their days are numbered. So yes we’re making progress in one of the important factors of running a club. Get it right on the pitch and who knows how far we’ll go. We're not getting it right on the pitch because we aren't hiring the right managers. Keates isn't the man to take us up.
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Wrexham
Dec 5, 2019 6:25:40 GMT
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Post by conwy10 on Dec 5, 2019 6:25:40 GMT
Whilst it is true, they accomplished most of this years ago when there was more opinions on the board. I thought they did a good job until recently, last few years has been horrendous, same time the Harris dictatorship took full control. Recruitment of managers has been awful. Ricketts was a good one to be fair, but a broken clock is right twice a day. Throwing out 3 year contracts to people with no experience, short term solutions or sketchy pasts isn’t the best idea. If they have 8 years valuable experience why were we bottom of the league at the half way stage? Surely we’d be making progress as a club, seems more like managed decline. Are they learning from their mistakes? Moved Davies to manager after Keates... failure. Done exactly the same the next season with Barrow... failure. Hopefully they learn from their mistakes this year and not bring in 2 injured strikers in in January, one that required surgery, but still they offered Smith a new contract when he needed surgery so maybe that’s the way forward. Despite last seasons turmoil we reached the play off by a clear 17 points despite folk predicting we’d bottle it during our January lean spell when we failed to win a game. In fact we were only out of the top four for one week all season. Yes 8 years experience, a board is judged on off the field matters as much as on field matters, more so these days. It’s no good doing a Macclesfield, their days are numbered. So yes we’re making progress in one of the important factors of running a club. Get it right on the pitch and who knows how far we’ll go. *in my opinion we’re making progress in one of the important factors of running a club. Reading that if we aren’t doing a Macclesfield that’s a sign they’re doing a good job? Do you always use an extreme situation to justify your opinion? Can you point out an area they are doing a good and we’ll start off from there, without mentioning other clubs like Macclesfield and Bury, if you name drop them I’ll name drop the other 100 or so clubs in England who aren’t in melt down because of the board. Do you think the current league position is acceptable? Forget about how many £250 advertising boards they sell. Selling an advertising board to fans with businesses desperate to support the club isn’t like a show of ingenious marketing strategy.
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Post by arfonprinceofwales on Dec 5, 2019 14:32:49 GMT
That was a long paragraph that probably descended into a rant more than anything. I had to cut it short, but I could go on about the board's ineptitude all day. I haven't included the fact they've alienated club legends as well as the disabled supporters association, their inability to take on constructive criticism and ignoring advice from the Trust's founding chairman. From what I can see the Disabled Supporters Association is being run business as usual. Nothing more than a couple of volunteers throwing their dummies out. The same volunteers are actually still performing their duties. (Thankfully) The club and in particular the DSA liaison officer had to act to ensure the smooth match day operation continued. To their credit the DSA runs as it always did.
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Post by arfonprinceofwales on Dec 5, 2019 14:42:10 GMT
Despite last seasons turmoil we reached the play off by a clear 17 points despite folk predicting we’d bottle it during our January lean spell when we failed to win a game. In fact we were only out of the top four for one week all season. Yes 8 years experience, a board is judged on off the field matters as much as on field matters, more so these days. It’s no good doing a Macclesfield, their days are numbered. So yes we’re making progress in one of the important factors of running a club. Get it right on the pitch and who knows how far we’ll go. *in my opinion we’re making progress in one of the important factors of running a club. Reading that if we aren’t doing a Macclesfield that’s a sign they’re doing a good job? Do you always use an extreme situation to justify your opinion? Can you point out an area they are doing a good and we’ll start off from there, without mentioning other clubs like Macclesfield and Bury, if you name drop them I’ll name drop the other 100 or so clubs in England who aren’t in melt down because of the board. Do you think the current league position is acceptable? Forget about how many £250 advertising boards they sell. Selling an advertising board to fans with businesses desperate to support the club isn’t like a show of ingenious marketing strategy. The books are balanced, bills are paid on time, we have no creditors, we cut our cloth accordingly. We aren’t in meltdown, yes we could be better positioned league wise, but meltdown, seriously? league position acceptable? Of course not, but I ain’t wetting the bed in December with 20+ games still to go.
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Dec 5, 2019 16:07:30 GMT
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Post by conwy10 on Dec 5, 2019 16:07:30 GMT
*in my opinion we’re making progress in one of the important factors of running a club. Reading that if we aren’t doing a Macclesfield that’s a sign they’re doing a good job? Do you always use an extreme situation to justify your opinion? Can you point out an area they are doing a good and we’ll start off from there, without mentioning other clubs like Macclesfield and Bury, if you name drop them I’ll name drop the other 100 or so clubs in England who aren’t in melt down because of the board. Do you think the current league position is acceptable? Forget about how many £250 advertising boards they sell. Selling an advertising board to fans with businesses desperate to support the club isn’t like a show of ingenious marketing strategy. The books are balanced, bills are paid on time, we have no creditors, we cut our cloth accordingly. We aren’t in meltdown, yes we could be better positioned league wise, but meltdown, seriously? league position acceptable? Of course not, but I ain’t wetting the bed in December with 20+ games still to go. Living within our means shouldn’t be doing a good job, it’s basic common sense. We’d be in more of a healthy position financially if they hadn’t let the on field problems get so bad. Paying off all these managers/coaches and loss of attendance will hurt us eventually. Thank goodness we got the failed ex Scarborough manager tied down to a 3 year contract though. Took my girlfriend and her sister to their first matches and wanted to buy them shirts with their name on, phoned up in the morning and they refuse to print shirts on match day... £100 loss. How many others who live outside the area would want similar, to get it when they’re there, but they refuse custom. How much will we have to pay agency staff to steward after the DSA fallout? We could be making a lot more money than we are. I never said we’re in meltdown, not yet anyway, relegation would be. I said meltdown because when people discuss these things they take an extreme case and make it the rule, such as Macclesfield. We’ve accumulated this amount of points playing every team in our league once, it’s a good indication of what to expect in the second half of the season. Will we all of a sudden go and beat all these teams we couldn’t beat in the first half of the season?
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Post by robin1864 on Dec 5, 2019 17:10:04 GMT
The whole "at least we're not Bury/Darlington/Rushden/Hereford" argument loses all validity if/when we find ourselves playing in the same league as the reformed clubs.
Commercially we're doing alright, but how well we do there is affected massively by how we're performing on the pitch. Not many kids will want a Wrexham shirt for Christmas this year.
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Post by arfonprinceofwales on Dec 5, 2019 22:00:27 GMT
The books are balanced, bills are paid on time, we have no creditors, we cut our cloth accordingly. We aren’t in meltdown, yes we could be better positioned league wise, but meltdown, seriously? league position acceptable? Of course not, but I ain’t wetting the bed in December with 20+ games still to go. Living within our means shouldn’t be doing a good job, it’s basic common sense. We’d be in more of a healthy position financially if they hadn’t let the on field problems get so bad. Paying off all these managers/coaches and loss of attendance will hurt us eventually. Thank goodness we got the failed ex Scarborough manager tied down to a 3 year contract though. Took my girlfriend and her sister to their first matches and wanted to buy them shirts with their name on, phoned up in the morning and they refuse to print shirts on match day... £100 loss. How many others who live outside the area would want similar, to get it when they’re there, but they refuse custom. How much will we have to pay agency staff to steward after the DSA fallout? We could be making a lot more money than we are. I never said we’re in meltdown, not yet anyway, relegation would be. I said meltdown because when people discuss these things they take an extreme case and make it the rule, such as Macclesfield. We’ve accumulated this amount of points playing every team in our league once, it’s a good indication of what to expect in the second half of the season. Will we all of a sudden go and beat all these teams we couldn’t beat in the first half of the season? Keates - received compensation. Ricketts - received compensation. Barrow - left of his own accord. Hughes - sacked. By my reckoning we should be quids in regards the managerial revolving door. Far from ideal of course but a fallacy to think out of pocket based on them alone. The DSA is still run by the same set of volunteers as before, certainly no paid agency staff been brought in. Nothings changed there at all apart from a couple of bruised egos. The shirt printing issue on a match day I’m surprised at tbh. The people in the club shop are more than accommodating and usually go out of their way to help. As for results to date, not good enough but an indicator to the second half of the season? Who knows. That’s what makes the game so unpredictable. After all we’ve only lost two games to teams in the top seven so far, but have beaten 3 of them.
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Dec 6, 2019 5:26:37 GMT
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Post by conwy10 on Dec 6, 2019 5:26:37 GMT
Living within our means shouldn’t be doing a good job, it’s basic common sense. We’d be in more of a healthy position financially if they hadn’t let the on field problems get so bad. Paying off all these managers/coaches and loss of attendance will hurt us eventually. Thank goodness we got the failed ex Scarborough manager tied down to a 3 year contract though. Took my girlfriend and her sister to their first matches and wanted to buy them shirts with their name on, phoned up in the morning and they refuse to print shirts on match day... £100 loss. How many others who live outside the area would want similar, to get it when they’re there, but they refuse custom. How much will we have to pay agency staff to steward after the DSA fallout? We could be making a lot more money than we are. I never said we’re in meltdown, not yet anyway, relegation would be. I said meltdown because when people discuss these things they take an extreme case and make it the rule, such as Macclesfield. We’ve accumulated this amount of points playing every team in our league once, it’s a good indication of what to expect in the second half of the season. Will we all of a sudden go and beat all these teams we couldn’t beat in the first half of the season? Keates - received compensation. Ricketts - received compensation. Barrow - left of his own accord. Hughes - sacked. By my reckoning we should be quids in regards the managerial revolving door. Far from ideal of course but a fallacy to think out of pocket based on them alone. The DSA is still run by the same set of volunteers as before, certainly no paid agency staff been brought in. Nothings changed there at all apart from a couple of bruised egos. The shirt printing issue on a match day I’m surprised at tbh. The people in the club shop are more than accommodating and usually go out of their way to help. As for results to date, not good enough but an indicator to the second half of the season? Who knows. That’s what makes the game so unpredictable. After all we’ve only lost two games to teams in the top seven so far, but have beaten 3 of them. We had Newell on a 2.5 year contract too. Mills was given the boot, Wilkin before him, Morrell before that. Mills had his own team with him, think Wilkin had his own assistant. It’s great to receive compensation for the managers but in general we don’t send them on the do bigger and better things. The DSA I have no first hand idea of, only the both sides being chuck on the internet for all to read. I thought the management was to be taken on by the club. Someone would either need to be bought in to overview it or help or to cover for someone else to move over to help out. We’ve beaten 2 teams when they were top of the league which was impressive I agree, but we’re losing the dogfights around us. Losing to the ones in a relegation fight are 6 pointers, you’ll only benefit from 3 beating the top teams. I don’t think the board should step down immediately, I’m against that, however I do think they can’t accept criticism which is destroying the club slowly. Every decision is seen as the right one, even awful ones allowed to drag on in the hope it’ll save their egos. They keep upsetting the people who put them in power in the first place, fans, DSA, WST not informed of decisions ahead of time. They are representatives of the fans who are the rightful owners of the club, in every decision it seems they’ve bought into and probably safeguarded their positions on the board so that they now control Wrexham. Insulting RP in conferences when RP for many was the rallying point to save this club on so many occasions. Throwing Dixie in front of the cameras saying he appointed Keates leaving the poor guy confused saying it was a board decision. I could go on about what I feel but this’ll drag on for pages.
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Post by dewiogwen on Dec 6, 2019 7:06:00 GMT
I can see us turning this round in the short term and stay up. But in the long term promotion is a very long way off. We don't have the player or the manager that can get us up the league. I don't blame the board because the problems are on the pitch not off it.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Dec 6, 2019 14:00:25 GMT
That was a long paragraph that probably descended into a rant more than anything. I had to cut it short, but I could go on about the board's ineptitude all day. I haven't included the fact they've alienated club legends as well as the disabled supporters association, their inability to take on constructive criticism and ignoring advice from the Trust's founding chairman. Nothing more than a couple of volunteers throwing their dummies out. Deluded.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Dec 6, 2019 14:01:00 GMT
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Dec 6, 2019 20:32:16 GMT
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Post by rob on Dec 6, 2019 20:32:16 GMT
A lot of what you said is correct, that doesn't mean it's incredibly one sided. I could've dealt with you bringing a fresh impetus to the debate but you soured it by telling me to behave for a comment I made, which I still believe to be true. Make no mistake, last nights' result was fantastic but we still sit in the drop zone despite being one of the favourites to go up. That was based off us hiring a manager with next to no experience, who was clearly out of his depth. Nobody, aside from a few lunatics saw it as a good appointment and everyone was proven right when he built this shite team in the summer. Nobody wanted Graham Barrow hired either but we went with him, and he obviously tanked our promotion hopes that season and wasted a load of money hiring an alcoholic to be his number 2. Ricketts was an anomaly but the board couldn't keep him here either, probably because of how unprofessional our setup is. We're profit making because we don't spend any money on the things that matter. We are a football club and should be trying to compete at the highest possible level but it's as if a number of fans have settled for non-league football. Also profit making because of the sell-ons from Danny Ward,Neil Taylor & Louis Moult-definitely not board acumen.
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Post by rob on Dec 6, 2019 20:40:34 GMT
Living within our means shouldn’t be doing a good job, it’s basic common sense. We’d be in more of a healthy position financially if they hadn’t let the on field problems get so bad. Paying off all these managers/coaches and loss of attendance will hurt us eventually. Thank goodness we got the failed ex Scarborough manager tied down to a 3 year contract though. Took my girlfriend and her sister to their first matches and wanted to buy them shirts with their name on, phoned up in the morning and they refuse to print shirts on match day... £100 loss. How many others who live outside the area would want similar, to get it when they’re there, but they refuse custom. How much will we have to pay agency staff to steward after the DSA fallout? We could be making a lot more money than we are. I never said we’re in meltdown, not yet anyway, relegation would be. I said meltdown because when people discuss these things they take an extreme case and make it the rule, such as Macclesfield. We’ve accumulated this amount of points playing every team in our league once, it’s a good indication of what to expect in the second half of the season. Will we all of a sudden go and beat all these teams we couldn’t beat in the first half of the season? Keates - received compensation. Ricketts - received compensation. Barrow - left of his own accord. Hughes - sacked. By my reckoning we should be quids in regards the managerial revolving door. Far from ideal of course but a fallacy to think out of pocket based on them alone. The DSA is still run by the same set of volunteers as before, certainly no paid agency staff been brought in. Nothings changed there at all apart from a couple of bruised egos. The shirt printing issue on a match day I’m surprised at tbh. The people in the club shop are more than accommodating and usually go out of their way to help. As for results to date, not good enough but an indicator to the second half of the season? Who knows. That’s what makes the game so unpredictable. After all we’ve only lost two games to teams in the top seven so far, but have beaten 3 of them. You think it's okay to defend an incompetent board - 1.3 years for Bryan Hughes -Scarborough reject but good enough for Wrexham. 2. Re-hiring Andy Davies- awful Wrexham interim manager,pushed out at Walsall, but good enough for Wrexham. 3.Keates - sacked by Walsall for relegating them but good enough for Wrexham. On this basis if Keates goes you will re-appoint Brian Carey as manager. Better to relegate Wrexham than getting people from outside inner circle on the Board-call yourselves fans,just deluded.
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Post by holmesdaleultra on Dec 6, 2019 21:51:05 GMT
I can see us turning this round in the short term and stay up. But in the long term promotion is a very long way off. We don't have the player or the manager that can get us up the league. I don't blame the board because the problems are on the pitch not off it. Who appoints the manager is it the supporters then? The board ultimately are responsible if the manager and players do not perform on the pitch.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Dec 7, 2019 1:30:58 GMT
A lot of what you said is correct, that doesn't mean it's incredibly one sided. I could've dealt with you bringing a fresh impetus to the debate but you soured it by telling me to behave for a comment I made, which I still believe to be true. Make no mistake, last nights' result was fantastic but we still sit in the drop zone despite being one of the favourites to go up. That was based off us hiring a manager with next to no experience, who was clearly out of his depth. Nobody, aside from a few lunatics saw it as a good appointment and everyone was proven right when he built this shite team in the summer. Nobody wanted Graham Barrow hired either but we went with him, and he obviously tanked our promotion hopes that season and wasted a load of money hiring an alcoholic to be his number 2. Ricketts was an anomaly but the board couldn't keep him here either, probably because of how unprofessional our setup is. We're profit making because we don't spend any money on the things that matter. We are a football club and should be trying to compete at the highest possible level but it's as if a number of fans have settled for non-league football. Also profit making because of the sell-ons from Danny Ward,Neil Taylor & Louis Moult-definitely not board acumen. Yes, very true. We don't have any players out there with sell-off clauses now. This could prove to be an issue if we don't improve soon.
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Post by arfonprinceofwales on Dec 7, 2019 12:23:04 GMT
Keates - received compensation. Ricketts - received compensation. Barrow - left of his own accord. Hughes - sacked. By my reckoning we should be quids in regards the managerial revolving door. Far from ideal of course but a fallacy to think out of pocket based on them alone. The DSA is still run by the same set of volunteers as before, certainly no paid agency staff been brought in. Nothings changed there at all apart from a couple of bruised egos. The shirt printing issue on a match day I’m surprised at tbh. The people in the club shop are more than accommodating and usually go out of their way to help. As for results to date, not good enough but an indicator to the second half of the season? Who knows. That’s what makes the game so unpredictable. After all we’ve only lost two games to teams in the top seven so far, but have beaten 3 of them. We had Newell on a 2.5 year contract too. Mills was given the boot, Wilkin before him, Morrell before that. Mills had his own team with him, think Wilkin had his own assistant. It’s great to receive compensation for the managers but in general we don’t send them on the do bigger and better things. The DSA I have no first hand idea of, only the both sides being chuck on the internet for all to read. I thought the management was to be taken on by the club. Someone would either need to be bought in to overview it or help or to cover for someone else to move over to help out. We’ve beaten 2 teams when they were top of the league which was impressive I agree, but we’re losing the dogfights around us. Losing to the ones in a relegation fight are 6 pointers, you’ll only benefit from 3 beating the top teams. I don’t think the board should step down immediately, I’m against that, however I do think they can’t accept criticism which is destroying the club slowly. Every decision is seen as the right one, even awful ones allowed to drag on in the hope it’ll save their egos. They keep upsetting the people who put them in power in the first place, fans, DSA, WST not informed of decisions ahead of time. They are representatives of the fans who are the rightful owners of the club, in every decision it seems they’ve bought into and probably safeguarded their positions on the board so that they now control Wrexham. Insulting RP in conferences when RP for many was the rallying point to save this club on so many occasions. Throwing Dixie in front of the cameras saying he appointed Keates leaving the poor guy confused saying it was a board decision. I could go on about what I feel but this’ll drag on for pages. Dixie tbf has been a regular in the directors box for years. He was involved in the latest manager talks. He was invited to join the board a few months back. After FA due diligence was carried out, which drags on by the looks of it he accepted a place on the board. An extra voice, an extra pair of ears in the boardroom, that’s what we wanted that’s what we’ve got. Still room for one or two others imo. As for the current board can’t accept criticism, managers have come and gone, surely that’s holding their hands up to say they got it wrong. Maybe we should put them in the stocks on High st.
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Post by arfonprinceofwales on Dec 7, 2019 12:24:23 GMT
Also profit making because of the sell-ons from Danny Ward,Neil Taylor & Louis Moult-definitely not board acumen. Yes, very true. We don't have any players out there with sell-off clauses now. This could prove to be an issue if we don't improve soon. Jordan Davies at Brighton and Hove Albion off the top of my head.
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