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Post by CrackityJones on Sept 3, 2018 6:47:03 GMT
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Post by foxmulder on Sept 2, 2019 17:47:12 GMT
On loan at Barry for the season.
Welcome Sion, welcome.
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Post by welshiron on Sept 2, 2019 17:54:57 GMT
Should be looking at playing development level over youth level as it is a step up. Maybe a loan spell next season maybe at his home town club in the Welsh Premiership. Unfortunately, few players make it through the academy and ultimately he could end up there. No chance of a game at Cardiff next year Just call me mystic meg? |
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Post by foxmulder on Sept 2, 2019 18:08:28 GMT
Hi Meg.
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Post by gimli on Jul 2, 2020 12:32:30 GMT
A poster on the Cardiff City messageboard who's knowledgeable about the academy has heard that it wasn't the club's choice to release Sion Spence, rather the player turned down a contract extension because he was told he had no chance of breaking into the first team next season. Apparently some other youth players were told the same thing but did decide to sign new contracts.
Very disappointing on Cardiff City's part. Especially after all the big words from Neil Harris about giving the youth a chance next season. It was silly of me to get my hopes up I suppose.
But good for Spence, and potentially good for Wales, to go searching for first team minutes.
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Post by ystradwales on Jul 2, 2020 12:38:58 GMT
A poster on the Cardiff City messageboard who's knowledgeable about the academy has heard that it wasn't the club's choice to release Sion Spence, rather the player turned down a contract extension because he was told he had no chance of breaking into the first team next season. Apparently some other youth players were told the same thing but did decide to sign new contracts. Very disappointing on Cardiff City's part. Especially after all the big words from Neil Harris about giving the youth a chance next season. It was silly of me to get my hopes up I suppose. But good for Spence, and potentially good for Wales, to go searching for first team minutes. Was just about to post the same thing. The information on the Cardiff City messageboard also confirms that Man City wanted to sign him at the same time as Matando. Disappointing as a Cardiff fan that we won't see him coming through at Cardiff but good for Wales if he does live up to his hype. Shows his character to succeed that he's wants to go somewhere and try to break into first team football |
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Post by vaulksthrowfanclub on Jul 2, 2020 14:52:02 GMT
Expected nothing less from Cardiff unfortunately. Even in this period of nine substitutions not even a token academy player on the bench. Awful message to the current academy players, and potential ones.
Interesting that Harry Pinchard has left too, Wales u19 player- would presume its under similar circumstances as Spence.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 15:39:18 GMT
Expected nothing less from Cardiff unfortunately. Even in this period of nine substitutions not even a token academy player on the bench. Awful message to the current academy players, and potential ones. Interesting that Harry Pinchard has left too, Wales u19 player- would presume its under similar circumstances as Spence. In part this will be because the age group leagues have ceased and young players aren't in the same level of training as those in the first team. You can't just grab a lad from the u23s and stick him on the bench for the experience right now, even if it would be easier to get them a few minutes. |
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Post by iot on Jul 9, 2020 18:48:23 GMT
A poster on the Cardiff City messageboard who's knowledgeable about the academy has heard that it wasn't the club's choice to release Sion Spence, rather the player turned down a contract extension because he was told he had no chance of breaking into the first team next season. Apparently some other youth players were told the same thing but did decide to sign new contracts. Very disappointing on Cardiff City's part. Especially after all the big words from Neil Harris about giving the youth a chance next season. It was silly of me to get my hopes up I suppose. But good for Spence, and potentially good for Wales, to go searching for first team minutes. I'm not sure if I believe that. If it is true, it could be an incredibly stupid decision. I was watching George Williams' interview the other day where he was saying Covid-19 will result in 100s of players becoming free agents this summer so it's going to be really difficult and competitive to secure contracts. Spence would have been extremely brave or extremely stupid to turn down an offer in that context |
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Post by fiveattheback on Sept 12, 2020 11:46:39 GMT
Joined Palace apparently
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Post by allezlesrouges on Sept 12, 2020 12:05:39 GMT
Surprising he's taken a step up - wonder if they'll loan him out immediately? |
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Post by gimli on Sept 12, 2020 12:22:51 GMT
Surprising he's taken a step up - wonder if they'll loan him out immediately? Considering the rumor was that Spence refused a contract extention at Cardiff because they said he wouldn't get a chance in the first team this season, I assume Palace promised that they'd find him a good loan since there's surely no chance of him getting any first team minutes at Palace. I would say why couldn't Cardiff have promised him the same, but for some reason we only ever loan our youth players to Cymru Premier or non-league teams. Being at Palace will hopefully improve his chances of getting a loan to a League Two or maybe even a League One club, or a loan abroad. |
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Post by CrackityJones on Feb 1, 2021 17:22:58 GMT
Scored a hat trick for the U23s today. Wouldn’t be surprised he breaks into the first team squad by the end of the season
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Post by gimli on Jul 9, 2021 8:39:02 GMT
Gone on loan to Bristol Rovers for the season.
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Post by twofootedtackle on Jul 13, 2021 10:29:14 GMT
Really surprised he's dropped to league two. He seems to enjoy time on the ball. In that league he'll be taken out game after game.
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Post by iot on Jul 13, 2021 12:13:48 GMT
I've only seen fleeting appearances from him with the Wales u21s, in which he hasn't really done anything special. So I'm not expecting too much to be honest
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Post by gimli on Sept 26, 2021 12:57:39 GMT
Came on in the 90th minute to make his league debut for Bristol Rovers yesterday, and scored the winner a minute later.
Slightly concerning he hasn't broken into their team yet, but hopefully he gets a good run of games now.
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Post by paj on Sept 26, 2021 15:47:10 GMT
Yes very disappointing he has not played this season. Not sure if injured or just not fancied. Really needs to kick on I feel if he is to have a career at a decent level. Quest commentator called him C ON spence  |
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Post by welshrover on Sept 26, 2021 17:11:01 GMT
Yes very disappointing he has not played this season. Not sure if injured or just not fancied. Really needs to kick on I feel if he is to have a career at a decent level. Quest commentator called him C ON spence Yes I heard that, does annoy me sometimes when commentators make an effort with players names from abroad but can't be ar-ed to find out how to pronounce Welsh / Irish names. |
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Post by insertname on Sept 26, 2021 21:51:15 GMT
It’s more the case that he has inexplicably not been given much of a chance despite giving a good account of himself when he did finally play, in a Papa Johns cup game. It’s not like the players in front of him have been in good form either, yet they still get picked.
But then given our current nauseating prick of a manager is the worst in the club’s history (both in terms of results and off the pitch ‘shenanigans’) if he doesn’t rate Spence enough to play him then that tells me Spence has probably got a great future in the game.
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Post by insertname on Oct 1, 2021 14:27:57 GMT
It’s more the case that he has inexplicably not been given much of a chance despite giving a good account of himself when he did finally play, in a Papa Johns cup game. It’s not like the players in front of him have been in good form either, yet they still get picked. But then given our current nauseating prick of a manager is the worst in the club’s history (both in terms of results and off the pitch ‘shenanigans’) if he doesn’t rate Spence enough to play him then that tells me Spence has probably got a great future in the game. Interesting comments by the aforementioned prick on Spence. Pretty sure that Spence would have liked that conversation kept in house whereas Barton’s style is to say anything and everything that comes into his head with no tact filter…just as long as it doesn’t involve him taking responsibility for anything: |
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Post by iot on Oct 1, 2021 15:16:13 GMT
It’s more the case that he has inexplicably not been given much of a chance despite giving a good account of himself when he did finally play, in a Papa Johns cup game. It’s not like the players in front of him have been in good form either, yet they still get picked. But then given our current nauseating prick of a manager is the worst in the club’s history (both in terms of results and off the pitch ‘shenanigans’) if he doesn’t rate Spence enough to play him then that tells me Spence has probably got a great future in the game. Interesting comments by the aforementioned prick on Spence. Pretty sure that Spence would have liked that conversation kept in house whereas Barton’s style is to say anything and everything that comes into his head with no tact filter…just as long as it doesn’t involve him taking responsibility for anything: Doesn't look great, and stupid for Barton to shame him publicly, but I'm not too concerned. There was a lot of talk on here years ago from someone who knew him and his family, saying that he was extremely highly rated and that England were sniffing around, but that he was fiercely Welsh. In this case, he's only played 2 or 3 times for his club in his first season of senior football. He's 21, so this is a really important season for him. If he feels like he needs to drop out of our u21s game to get a game for bristol rovers in the hope of working into their first team, I'm not too annoyed. It's far more important for his development, and therefore for us, that he breaks into the bristol rovers team this season. We'll benefit far more from that in the long term than him playing a couple of games for the u21s. |
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Post by insertname on Oct 1, 2021 16:02:03 GMT
Interesting comments by the aforementioned prick on Spence. Pretty sure that Spence would have liked that conversation kept in house whereas Barton’s style is to say anything and everything that comes into his head with no tact filter…just as long as it doesn’t involve him taking responsibility for anything: Doesn't look great, and stupid for Barton to shame him publicly, but I'm not too concerned. There was a lot of talk on here years ago from someone who knew him and his family, saying that he was extremely highly rated and that England were sniffing around, but that he was fiercely Welsh. In this case, he's only played 2 or 3 times for his club in his first season of senior football. He's 21, so this is a really important season for him. If he feels like he needs to drop out of our u21s game to get a game for bristol rovers in the hope of working into their first team, I'm not too annoyed. It's far more important for his development, and therefore for us, that he breaks into the bristol rovers team this season. We'll benefit far more from that in the long term than him playing a couple of games for the u21s. I mean, it’s probably not a big concern for Wales at this point in time, but the handling is shambolic. Iirc Wales youth grades can be pretty unforgiving of players who aren’t committed, Bradshaw comes to mind as an example because didn’t he come out and categorically say that he was prioritising his club career instead of playing for the under 21s? If I recall that was pretty much the end of his international career full stop after that. Not selected for the under 21s and never got a look in at senior level even when in form. Spence may have drilled a big hole in the hull of any international career thanks to Barton. |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Oct 1, 2021 17:23:25 GMT
Young players do lose places at their club if they go away on international duty. It happened with Maxwell at Wrexham.
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Post by insertname on Oct 1, 2021 17:51:05 GMT
Young players do lose places at their club if they go away on international duty. It happened with Maxwell at Wrexham. Yeah can totally see why it’s a problem and that call ups need to be “managed” at that level of the game (let’s be fair it’s a bit different from full senior call ups especially when it’s Wales under 21s as opposed to England) but you would imagine that whilst the problem is a common issue among young international players it exists behind closed doors and stays within their club. Spectacular mismanagement but then given Barton’s behaviour in general this is totally par for the course with him. |
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Post by saturn9 on Oct 1, 2021 17:55:30 GMT
Wonder what Osian thinks of his attitude towards the U21's🤔
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Post by conwy10 on Oct 1, 2021 21:28:22 GMT
It could be a case of Barton spinning his words. Why you'd approach your manager saying you don't want to play for your country when he can't do anything about it is baffling. It could even be just a comment how he'd like to be involved but he's called up to Wales squad.
Best thing he can do is talk to the FAW. We seem understanding as a country and if it is a case of trying to break into the squad we'd probably work with him if we could.
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Post by insertname on Oct 1, 2021 23:15:08 GMT
It could be a case of Barton spinning his words. Why you'd approach your manager saying you don't want to play for your country when he can't do anything about it is baffling. It could even be just a comment how he'd like to be involved but he's called up to Wales squad. Best thing he can do is talk to the FAW. We seem understanding as a country and if it is a case of trying to break into the squad we'd probably work with him if we could. Maybe but our behaviour on the face of it suggests that’s not the case- see Bradshaw. I can see why they would confide in the manager: “look boss I want to be playing but they’ve backed me into a corner” etc. I doubt any young player must go along with a call up, they aren’t meat products at a a deli. I infer that Spence was happy to be called up whilst with Palace’s reserves, he’s now got a chance of a first team place with Rovers especially after scoring the goal that won them their first league away win in 9 months. He wants to build on that and international football is unncessary right now. Understandable, but handled like a manager with no grasp of the basics of the PR the player needs. We shouldn’t expect any less from Barton though, he is already in hot water for accusing Rovers 1st manager last season as being “negligent” and if he was a doctor he would have been “struck off” by now. He holds the view that even though he took over the team in 19th position relegation was everyone else’s fault. Ironically the “negligent” one visits Barton’s rovers this weekend with Rovers in 19th and the negligent one in 9th. Barton is like an arsehole that occasionally spouts sentences, it’s disappointing that he (undoubtedly) still seems to influence young players careers in the way he does and the way he has done by spouting Spence’s opinions to the press. |
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Post by saturn9 on Oct 12, 2021 16:15:18 GMT
On the bench for the under 21's v Moldova. IF he starts scoring for BR, would he merit inclusion in the snr play off squad?
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Post by saturn9 on Oct 12, 2021 17:02:37 GMT
Maybe not. Bodin doesn't seem to rate him, or fallout from the comment that Joseph made. On the bench tonight v the Dutch.
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