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Post by manulike on Feb 12, 2019 20:54:09 GMT
Please learn Italian Aaron. Don’t do a Bale on that one. Maybe Ramsey being a Welsh speaker will be easier for him to learn. When I learnt Spanish it took me 2 months of 4 hour classes, 5 days a week. I don’t know where it went wrong with Bale I agree. Spanish is a very easy language to pick up. No schooling. Just travel through Central America, I felt adequate after ten days. More than comfortable after two months. Dutch was another matter. The vocabulary is easy enough, but the grammar is an absolute pain. There, like you, I needed 4-hours of schooling a day for two months, to feel comfortable to converse.
Heck, Rambo is that great that he'll be mastering Opera singing in a couple of months ;-)
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Post by alarch on Feb 13, 2019 14:39:13 GMT
Ramsey doesn't want to be interviewed in Welsh, despite being through Welsh-medium education, so it doesn't augur well I'm afraid. It comes down to confidence with languages - not everybody is the same, which should be respected. Having said that it certainly hasn't helped Bale's cause in the Real Madrid dressing room - whether he's to blame or not. Intersting stuff here: www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/arsenal/arsenal-never-used-aaron-ramsey-in-his-best-position-claims-juventus-chief-a4064791.html I can see Giggs wanting to play Ramsey wide right of a central three in a 4-3-3, with Allen wide left and Ampadu (or Smith in his absence) anchoring the midfield. Could be very, very good.
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Post by alarch on Feb 13, 2019 14:40:02 GMT
The argument about the merit of footballer's wages certainly has its merits - but it's essentially an argument against capitalism. Do the Coates family deserve their riches on the back of their ownership of Bet365? I could go on. The trouble with your argument is that you're trying to piggy back a moral argument onto the back of a footballing one, to boost your (otherwise weak) stance. Dafydd Pritchard's assessment is a fair one - albeit that he forgets to mention the hugely significant role of injuries in preventing Ramsey consistently scaling the heights. The same omission is made with regard to Bale's achievement of reaching 100 goals for Real Madrid. It's a boring narrative - but a massive explanatory factor in both cases (and Allen's for that matter) when it comes to understanding how they have failed to create as favourable an impression as their talents deserve. Love the way you got Joe Allen in there. Time to realise Bale and Ramsey are at a different level. Time to realise Allen's crucial role in giving the likes of Ramsey and Bale the platform to perform.
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Post by robin1864 on Feb 13, 2019 17:37:31 GMT
Please learn Italian Aaron. Don’t do a Bale on that one. Maybe Ramsey being a Welsh speaker will be easier for him to learn. When I learnt Spanish it took me 2 months of 4 hour classes, 5 days a week. I don’t know where it went wrong with Bale Bale grew up in Southampton, Ramsey grew up in Caerphilly. Language classes are viewed as a joke in England and you can drop them after 14, whereas if you've learnt a language since you started going to nursery it's hardly worth it to stop learning once you reach that age in Wales, and probably makes you a bit more open toward learning new languages. Ramsey doesn't want to be interviewed in Welsh, despite being through Welsh-medium education, so it doesn't augur well I'm afraid. Probably because he'd be roundly mocked by Welsh-speaking society for mispronouncing something.
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Post by welshiron on Feb 13, 2019 18:15:59 GMT
Love the way you got Joe Allen in there. Time to realise Bale and Ramsey are at a different level. Time to realise Allen's crucial role in giving the likes of Ramsey and Bale the platform to perform. Maybe juve or real will sign him to do the same. As I've said many times Allen is an important player for us but Ramsy and Bale are a different class.
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Post by robin1864 on Feb 13, 2019 19:46:15 GMT
Time to realise Allen's crucial role in giving the likes of Ramsey and Bale the platform to perform. Maybe juve or real will sign him to do the same. As I've said many times Allen is an important player for us but Ramsy and Bale are a different class Allen is arguably our most consistent player, which helps a lot as when Rambo is off-colour it's like playing with 10 men.
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Post by alarch on Feb 13, 2019 21:51:16 GMT
Please learn Italian Aaron. Don’t do a Bale on that one. Maybe Ramsey being a Welsh speaker will be easier for him to learn. When I learnt Spanish it took me 2 months of 4 hour classes, 5 days a week. I don’t know where it went wrong with Bale Bale grew up in Southampton, Ramsey grew up in Caerphilly. Language classes are viewed as a joke in England and you can drop them after 14, whereas if you've learnt a language since you started going to nursery it's hardly worth it to stop learning once you reach that age in Wales, and probably makes you a bit more open toward learning new languages. Ramsey doesn't want to be interviewed in Welsh, despite being through Welsh-medium education, so it doesn't augur well I'm afraid. Probably because he'd be roundly mocked by Welsh-speaking society for mispronouncing something. Not really. He gave some perfectly good interviews in Welsh early doors, and I can only recall praise. It's just a confidence issue with Ramsey, not unusual. Shame but no big deal.
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Post by quetzal on Feb 13, 2019 22:36:11 GMT
Please learn Italian Aaron. Don’t do a Bale on that one. Maybe Ramsey being a Welsh speaker will be easier for him to learn. When I learnt Spanish it took me 2 months of 4 hour classes, 5 days a week. I don’t know where it went wrong with Bale Bale grew up in Southampton, Ramsey grew up in Caerphilly. Language classes are viewed as a joke in England and you can drop them after 14, whereas if you've learnt a language since you started going to nursery it's hardly worth it to stop learning once you reach that age in Wales, and probably makes you a bit more open toward learning new languages. Ramsey doesn't want to be interviewed in Welsh, despite being through Welsh-medium education, so it doesn't augur well I'm afraid. Probably because he'd be roundly mocked by Welsh-speaking society for mispronouncing something. Did Bale grow up in Southampton? Last i heard it was Whitchurch, Cardiff
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Post by robin1864 on Feb 13, 2019 23:09:34 GMT
Bale grew up in Southampton, Ramsey grew up in Caerphilly. Language classes are viewed as a joke in England and you can drop them after 14, whereas if you've learnt a language since you started going to nursery it's hardly worth it to stop learning once you reach that age in Wales, and probably makes you a bit more open toward learning new languages. Probably because he'd be roundly mocked by Welsh-speaking society for mispronouncing something. Did Bale grow up in Southampton? Last i heard it was Whitchurch, Cardiff It's a bloody long drive from Whitchurch to Southampton's academy and back. Most of his peers would have been English.
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Post by impeachabull on Feb 14, 2019 0:03:08 GMT
Did Bale grow up in Southampton? Last i heard it was Whitchurch, Cardiff It's a bloody long drive from Whitchurch to Southampton's academy and back. Most of his peers would have been English. He trained at Southampton’s satellite academy in Bath.
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Post by fiveattheback on Feb 14, 2019 13:26:35 GMT
Ramsey doesn't want to be interviewed in Welsh, despite being through Welsh-medium education, so it doesn't augur well I'm afraid. It comes down to confidence with languages - not everybody is the same, which should be respected. Having said that it certainly hasn't helped Bale's cause in the Real Madrid dressing room - whether he's to blame or not. Intersting stuff here: www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/arsenal/arsenal-never-used-aaron-ramsey-in-his-best-position-claims-juventus-chief-a4064791.html I can see Giggs wanting to play Ramsey wide right of a central three in a 4-3-3, with Allen wide left and Ampadu (or Smith in his absence) anchoring the midfield. Could be very, very good. That's a tad unfair, I've seen interviews with Ramsey in Welsh and his Welsh is perfectly fine, he used to get abuse for tweeting in Welsh so its hardly surprising he doesn't do interviews in Welsh
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Post by manulike on Feb 14, 2019 13:26:36 GMT
With all the new Twitter Storm over Osigate ... I totally missed this gem. Classic ;-)
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Post by fiveattheback on Feb 14, 2019 13:28:56 GMT
Did Bale grow up in Southampton? Last i heard it was Whitchurch, Cardiff It's a bloody long drive from Whitchurch to Southampton's academy and back. Most of his peers would have been English. He went to Whitchurch high in Cardiff until he was 16, so he grew up in Cardiff, not Southampton
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Post by allezlesrouges on Feb 14, 2019 14:48:09 GMT
With all the new Twitter Storm over Osigate ... I totally missed this gem. Classic ;-) If anyone wants to see a prime example of how delusion works look no further. He claims Ramsey isn't good enough for the top clubs, cold hard evidence to the contrary is presented to him, and he rationalises it by saying that the world has gone mad, rather than accepting that his opinion is incorrect. The fact that he thinks he has greater insight into football than the people who work for Juventus is baffling.
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Post by alarch on Feb 14, 2019 15:30:54 GMT
Ramsey doesn't want to be interviewed in Welsh, despite being through Welsh-medium education, so it doesn't augur well I'm afraid. It comes down to confidence with languages - not everybody is the same, which should be respected. Having said that it certainly hasn't helped Bale's cause in the Real Madrid dressing room - whether he's to blame or not. Intersting stuff here: www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/arsenal/arsenal-never-used-aaron-ramsey-in-his-best-position-claims-juventus-chief-a4064791.html I can see Giggs wanting to play Ramsey wide right of a central three in a 4-3-3, with Allen wide left and Ampadu (or Smith in his absence) anchoring the midfield. Could be very, very good. That's a tad unfair, I've seen interviews with Ramsey in Welsh and his Welsh is perfectly fine, he used to get abuse for tweeting in Welsh so its hardly surprising he doesn't do interviews in Welsh You've got your chronology wrong. The Welsh interviews he gave were when he was still very young, I think whilst he was still 17 and at Cardiff. Once he moved to Arsenal it was reported that he refused to give interviews in Welsh to S4C. I doubt whether he intended any offence - as indicated by his tweeting in Welsh. I'm pretty sure it's simply a confidence issue - which, as I said, is a shame, but not something to get worked up about. But if he's reluctant to speak a language that he has a reasonable fluency in, then he's likely to struggle to learn a completely new language. The difference is of course, that there will be some expectation on him to learn the language.
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Post by insertname on Feb 14, 2019 16:04:14 GMT
With all the new Twitter Storm over Osigate ... I totally missed this gem. Classic ;-) If anyone wants to see a prime example of how delusion works look no further. He claims Ramsey isn't good enough for the top clubs, cold hard evidence to the contrary is presented to him, and he rationalises it by saying that the world has gone mad, rather than accepting that his opinion is incorrect. The fact that he thinks he has greater insight into football than the people who work for Juventus is baffling. Football is not an exact science though and big clubs do get it wrong and regularly. I'll bet Barcelona wish they had kept the receipt for Coutinho and Juventus themselves have become something of a target of ridicule for the signing of Emre Can where his agent alone trousered 16 million and Can has since failed to live up to the billing. Ramsey's signing is not the greatest piece of transfer business known to man on paper, they have somewhat foolishly paid most of his transfer value in wages so they aren't even getting a bargain price and so it is somewhat of a risk for a player who is injury prone and whose career peak to date is 5 games in the 2016 Euros. He is in a tricky spot in terms of justifying the money. It's not like winning a Scudetto with them is going to say much for him because they have won the last 7 and are 11 points clear this season. They don't need Ramsey to win league titles. Will he make the difference in them winning champions league titles? I really don't see it. I would back Man City every day of the week to beat Juventus right now, and Liverpool too. I don't see Ramsey making that much of a difference in such a contest, unless playing with a higher standard of player raises his game to the heights we haven't seen since his purple patch at Arsenal around 2013 or that brief run of games in the Euros.
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Post by alarch on Feb 14, 2019 16:42:26 GMT
So you're saying that your judgement really is better than Juventus'? You're beginning to sound like Piers Morgan, and you really don't want to be entering that territory of extreme prattery...
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Post by insertname on Feb 14, 2019 16:53:03 GMT
So you're saying that your judgement really is better than Juventus'? You're beginning to sound like Piers Morgan, and you really don't want to be entering that territory of extreme prattery... I'm saying big clubs make duff signings all the time. Is that a statement you would disagree with? Or, to look at it from another way: IF Ramsey flops, whose fault is that? Is it mine and Piers Morgan's because we were sceptical that he is worth that sort of money? Or is it Juventus's scouting department for incorrectly identifying that Ramsey was good enough to play for them? I mean Juventus never get it wrong, from what I am hearing, so undoubtedly it is a mere formality that Ramsey will spearhead them to champions league glory. Real, Man city et al might as well hand the cup over now and spend the champions league nights over the next 4 years doing warm weather training in Dubai...
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Post by insertname on Feb 14, 2019 17:05:55 GMT
Also, as another rebuttal to this "Juventus know better than you" argument I have to just point out the hypocrisy that would be awash on here.
Come on guys, if Bayern munich bought Dele Alli for 100 million would you all honestly be saying "Great signing that, definitely worth the money, Bayern never get it wrong". Course you wouldn't, you would all be banging on about over rated English trash (even though big clubs never get it wrong, apparently). Do you all think 35 million for Hodson Odoi was good business when the lad has hardly played first team football?
Take off the rose tinted glasses and ask yourself when you form your opinions whether you would still hold the exact same opinion if the player you were discussing was of a different nationality. That is exactly what I do and I think that is why my opinions tend to be so unpopular on here. I make no special cases for any of our players, apart from Bale who has more than proved his right to dine at the top table.
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Post by manulike on Feb 14, 2019 17:26:54 GMT
In wonderful solidarity with his fellow Welsh Gooners, Aaron is not going to Minsk ;-))
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Post by iot on Feb 14, 2019 18:12:40 GMT
Also, as another rebuttal to this "Juventus know better than you" argument I have to just point out the hypocrisy that would be awash on here. Come on guys, if Bayern munich bought Dele Alli for 100 million would you all honestly be saying "Great signing that, definitely worth the money, Bayern never get it wrong". Course you wouldn't, you would all be banging on about over rated English trash (even though big clubs never get it wrong, apparently). Do you all think 35 million for Hodson Odoi was good business when the lad has hardly played first team football? Take off the rose tinted glasses and ask yourself when you form your opinions whether you would still hold the exact same opinion if the player you were discussing was of a different nationality. That is exactly what I do and I think that is why my opinions tend to be so unpopular on here. I make no special cases for any of our players, apart from Bale who has more than proved his right to dine at the top table. No rose tinted glasses here , the main bias is in your posts and your desperation to justify your beratement of Ramsey. Do top clubs make signings that don't work out? Of course they do. Is Ramsey guaranteed to be a success at Juve? Of course not. But just think it through for one second. Ramsey has not only been chased by Juve, he's been chased by practically all the biggest clubs in the world including holding talks with Barcelona. He's been signed on a contract that will make him the fifth highest-earning footballer in the world. All of these clubs have the wealth to acquire the most knowledgeable, highly-expertised scouts that are out there and they have all come to the conclusion that they would like to have Ramsey. Although football isn't an exact science, the most knowledgeable, highly paid experts (and I know most Brits don't like experts!) clearly believe he's a top talent. And yet you side with Piers Morgan.
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Post by insertname on Feb 14, 2019 19:03:11 GMT
Also, as another rebuttal to this "Juventus know better than you" argument I have to just point out the hypocrisy that would be awash on here. Come on guys, if Bayern munich bought Dele Alli for 100 million would you all honestly be saying "Great signing that, definitely worth the money, Bayern never get it wrong". Course you wouldn't, you would all be banging on about over rated English trash (even though big clubs never get it wrong, apparently). Do you all think 35 million for Hodson Odoi was good business when the lad has hardly played first team football? Take off the rose tinted glasses and ask yourself when you form your opinions whether you would still hold the exact same opinion if the player you were discussing was of a different nationality. That is exactly what I do and I think that is why my opinions tend to be so unpopular on here. I make no special cases for any of our players, apart from Bale who has more than proved his right to dine at the top table. No rose tinted glasses here , the main bias is in your posts and your desperation to justify your beratement of Ramsey. Do top clubs make signings that don't work out? Of course they do. Is Ramsey guaranteed to be a success at Juve? Of course not. But just think it through for one second. Ramsey has not only been chased by Juve, he's been chased by practically all the biggest clubs in the world including holding talks with Barcelona. He's been signed on a contract that will make him the fifth highest-earning footballer in the world. All of these clubs have the wealth to acquire the most knowledgeable, highly-expertised scouts that are out there and they have all come to the conclusion that they would like to have Ramsey. Although football isn't an exact science, the most knowledgeable, highly paid experts (and I know most Brits don't like experts!) clearly believe he's a top talent. And yet you side with Piers Morgan. And yet Piers Morgan could turn out to be right. Eg Alex Ferguson, he thought Massimo Taibi was a good goalkeeper worthy of playing for United and the guy turned out to be a clown. Anyone who doubted his ability would have been right and Ferguson wrong. That's the beauty of sport, the fact that big clubs DO get it wrong means that we can have this debate and I have not necessarily been proved wrong yet. I really don't get why so many people see the fact that he has been signed by a big club as incontrovertible proof of his brilliance when I can (and have) proved that being signed by a big club means absolutely nowt- he has to prove on the pitch that he belongs in that sort of company and until he does I am not wrong And I should add as much as I love being proved right I don't necessarily want to be proved right here as he is a Wales player after all.
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Post by holmesdaleultra on Feb 14, 2019 20:03:54 GMT
Far to much negativity about Ramsey. Who cares what an ex editor of a newspaper who faked pictures and stories about our army says. Typical Arsenal supporter (not manulike or miss pendragon)knows nothing about football just mouthy.
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Post by iot on Feb 14, 2019 23:52:58 GMT
No rose tinted glasses here , the main bias is in your posts and your desperation to justify your beratement of Ramsey. Do top clubs make signings that don't work out? Of course they do. Is Ramsey guaranteed to be a success at Juve? Of course not. But just think it through for one second. Ramsey has not only been chased by Juve, he's been chased by practically all the biggest clubs in the world including holding talks with Barcelona. He's been signed on a contract that will make him the fifth highest-earning footballer in the world. All of these clubs have the wealth to acquire the most knowledgeable, highly-expertised scouts that are out there and they have all come to the conclusion that they would like to have Ramsey. Although football isn't an exact science, the most knowledgeable, highly paid experts (and I know most Brits don't like experts!) clearly believe he's a top talent. And yet you side with Piers Morgan. And yet Piers Morgan could turn out to be right. Eg Alex Ferguson, he thought Massimo Taibi was a good goalkeeper worthy of playing for United and the guy turned out to be a clown. Anyone who doubted his ability would have been right and Ferguson wrong. That's the beauty of sport, the fact that big clubs DO get it wrong means that we can have this debate and I have not necessarily been proved wrong yet. I really don't get why so many people see the fact that he has been signed by a big club as incontrovertible proof of his brilliance when I can (and have) proved that being signed by a big club means absolutely nowt- he has to prove on the pitch that he belongs in that sort of company and until he does I am not wrong And I should add as much as I love being proved right I don't necessarily want to be proved right here as he is a Wales player after all. This is pointless. Who's said 'the fact that he has been signed by a big club as incontrovertible proof of his brilliance'? Did I not specifically say "Do top clubs make signings that don't work out? Of course they do. Is Ramsey guaranteed to be a success at Juve? Of course not." Do you read posts before replying to them? He's not guaranteed to be a success, but the crucial point you're missing is that these clubs aren't chasing him on the basis of what he could become but what he's already shown. There are 200+ games of evidence showing what he can do, and all these major clubs are pursuing him on THAT basis. Sorry, but this: "I can (and have) proved that being signed by a big club means absolutely nowt" is just laughable.
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Post by larslagerback on Feb 15, 2019 0:18:52 GMT
And yet Piers Morgan could turn out to be right. Eg Alex Ferguson, he thought Massimo Taibi was a good goalkeeper worthy of playing for United and the guy turned out to be a clown. Anyone who doubted his ability would have been right and Ferguson wrong. That's the beauty of sport, the fact that big clubs DO get it wrong means that we can have this debate and I have not necessarily been proved wrong yet. I really don't get why so many people see the fact that he has been signed by a big club as incontrovertible proof of his brilliance when I can (and have) proved that being signed by a big club means absolutely nowt- he has to prove on the pitch that he belongs in that sort of company and until he does I am not wrong And I should add as much as I love being proved right I don't necessarily want to be proved right here as he is a Wales player after all. This is pointless. Who's said 'the fact that he has been signed by a big club as incontrovertible proof of his brilliance'? Did I not specifically say "Do top clubs make signings that don't work out? Of course they do. Is Ramsey guaranteed to be a success at Juve? Of course not." Do you read posts before replying to them? He's not guaranteed to be a success, but the crucial point you're missing is that these clubs aren't chasing him on the basis of what he could become but what he's already shown. There are 200+ games of evidence showing what he can do, and all these major clubs are pursuing him on THAT basis. Sorry, but this: "I can (and have) proved that being signed by a big club means absolutely nowt" is just laughable. I can't like this post enough. Evidence v opinion and using outliers as justification. Tremendous.
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Post by insertname on Feb 15, 2019 1:39:22 GMT
And yet Piers Morgan could turn out to be right. Eg Alex Ferguson, he thought Massimo Taibi was a good goalkeeper worthy of playing for United and the guy turned out to be a clown. Anyone who doubted his ability would have been right and Ferguson wrong. That's the beauty of sport, the fact that big clubs DO get it wrong means that we can have this debate and I have not necessarily been proved wrong yet. I really don't get why so many people see the fact that he has been signed by a big club as incontrovertible proof of his brilliance when I can (and have) proved that being signed by a big club means absolutely nowt- he has to prove on the pitch that he belongs in that sort of company and until he does I am not wrong And I should add as much as I love being proved right I don't necessarily want to be proved right here as he is a Wales player after all. This is pointless. Who's said 'the fact that he has been signed by a big club as incontrovertible proof of his brilliance'? Did I not specifically say "Do top clubs make signings that don't work out? Of course they do. Is Ramsey guaranteed to be a success at Juve? Of course not." Do you read posts before replying to them? He's not guaranteed to be a success, but the crucial point you're missing is that these clubs aren't chasing him on the basis of what he could become but what he's already shown. There are 200+ games of evidence showing what he can do, and all these major clubs are pursuing him on THAT basis. Sorry, but this: "I can (and have) proved that being signed by a big club means absolutely nowt" is just laughable. Honestly, who cares?! All I am talking about is how I predict he will get on at Juventus, I couldn't give a monkey's about the last 200 games. I am simply saying, as I have all along, that I think he will be a poor value signing for Juventus (which apparently makes me Piers Morgan, if it does it makes a LOT of other people Piers Morgan too). Some people have taken issue with this because I couldn't possibly predict that he is a poor value signing because Juventus know best. I have tried to point out that they don't always know best. That's all I have to say on it now because this is getting f***ing tedious. Let's hand it over to the man himself now to answer the challenge that has been laid down by the vast majority of the footballing world at large (who like me, know nothing): Are you worth the money? Strewth!
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Post by allezlesrouges on Feb 15, 2019 9:42:34 GMT
This is pointless. Who's said 'the fact that he has been signed by a big club as incontrovertible proof of his brilliance'? Did I not specifically say "Do top clubs make signings that don't work out? Of course they do. Is Ramsey guaranteed to be a success at Juve? Of course not." Do you read posts before replying to them? He's not guaranteed to be a success, but the crucial point you're missing is that these clubs aren't chasing him on the basis of what he could become but what he's already shown. There are 200+ games of evidence showing what he can do, and all these major clubs are pursuing him on THAT basis. Sorry, but this: "I can (and have) proved that being signed by a big club means absolutely nowt" is just laughable. Honestly, who cares?! All I am talking about is how I predict he will get on at Juventus, I couldn't give a monkey's about the last 200 games. I am simply saying, as I have all along, that I think he will be a poor value signing for Juventus (which apparently makes me Piers Morgan, if it does it makes a LOT of other people Piers Morgan too). Some people have taken issue with this because I couldn't possibly predict that he is a poor value signing because Juventus know best. I have tried to point out that they don't always know best. That's all I have to say on it now because this is getting f***ing tedious. Let's hand it over to the man himself now to answer the challenge that has been laid down by the vast majority of the footballing world at large (who like me, know nothing): Are you worth the money? Strewth! "I think he will be a poor value signing for Juventus" - how did you determine this if you are not basing it on the last 200 games? "I tried to point out that Juventus don't always know best" - No one has said this. The point is instead of you seeing that he has been chased and signed by top clubs and re-evaluating your opinion, what you are doing to trying to rationalise everything in a way so that your original opinion isn't shown to be wrong. As has been previously acknowledged it isn't a 100% certainty that he will be a success. Does this signing not make you re-evaluate your opinion of Ramsey at all though?
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Post by alarch on Feb 15, 2019 12:57:25 GMT
This is pointless. Who's said 'the fact that he has been signed by a big club as incontrovertible proof of his brilliance'? Did I not specifically say "Do top clubs make signings that don't work out? Of course they do. Is Ramsey guaranteed to be a success at Juve? Of course not." Do you read posts before replying to them? He's not guaranteed to be a success, but the crucial point you're missing is that these clubs aren't chasing him on the basis of what he could become but what he's already shown. There are 200+ games of evidence showing what he can do, and all these major clubs are pursuing him on THAT basis. Sorry, but this: "I can (and have) proved that being signed by a big club means absolutely nowt" is just laughable. I can't like this post enough. Evidence v opinion and using outliers as justification. Tremendous. You must be relieved that you're not the only one who likes your post
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Post by larslagerback on Feb 15, 2019 21:57:51 GMT
Ha,dug me out of a hole there!
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Post by manulike on Feb 24, 2019 13:46:13 GMT
Oh captain, my captain! Welcome back Aaron ;-)
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